Ammo sales and future survival (another potential political thread)

[hwpaintballer]

Does anyone else fear confiscation, or am I overreacting?

Do I fear confiscation?
Well when you live in a hollow in the Appalchian Mountains in South West Virginia I don't know of too many people who would try and confiscate them.
(odd thing about VA, bowie knives are illegally, but most people say VA ends at Ronoake so oh well)

 

[StringsMartyr]

I am very concerned about this. This only seems to be the beginning. I hope what I have been hearing is wrong, but nobody seems to think the future is bright. My main concern is total confiscation of guns. If this happens I feel like we will all be screwed. Part of my mind tells me buy as much as I can afford now, and another part is thinking worst case scenario, where everything we own is confiscated. If this happens, the worst part is losing our guns. The second part is that no one will be given propper riembusment for what they have spent on their guns. Everyone will take a big loss. I know this may sound a little far fetched, but nothing would surprise me with the decision makers this country has now.

Does anyone else fear confiscation, or am I overreacting?

I am terribly frightened by it, but i don't think it will happen. We might see another Clinton-like assault weapons ban, but nothing as drastic as total confiscation.

 

[wolfsurvival]

well my family has been stocked up on water, MRE's, medical supplies and all the other necessities ever since 9/11 (my dad was in NYC). The problem is, my mom hates guns, but also tells everyone what we have. so when the day comes, we may be faced with people demanding supplies who DO have guns. I don't know how to convince her to buy one, or two, or three....

I do know that the next few years will be tough on people. I live in a fairly well off area in Southern California which is surrounded by cities where the populace is less wealthy. Our police department is already on high alert as the number of break-ins is steadily rising. from what they tell us, the robberies are committed by people who are from the less wealthy areas looking for money. For example, my neighbors car was broken into last week and all the robbers took was change. That made me realize how desperate some people really are.

we're in for a bumpy ride, and i wish everyone the best

Man that’s rough Strings HW is right get her to check out the GOA www.gunowners.org website get her go to the Just For Skeptics section, this may help…

 

[white cloud]

honestly i don't i would worry too much about new gun control legislation. they are going to be really busy with other things for a long time.

every have conversation with someone from the depression era? you might find it enlightening.

 

[Grump]

Did NBC give a reason for the spike?

Fear that the new administration will push for new gun laws. Here's a link to the relevant segment of the broadcast.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27686558#27686558

If that URL doesn't work, you should be able to find the video at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/. It's titled "Gun Sales Skyrocketing" and it can be found in the Nightly News section. There are dozens of similar news reports on youtube.com. Just search on "gun sales".

 

[Bushman5]

IMHO, in light of the past year's revelations about internet postings being used in court cases, even when not directly related, I don't really think it wise to list posessions online. YMMV.

I posted a similar comment on WS&S and was laughed at.

People just dont get how blabbing about their supplies can be dangerous. Imistakenly told a longtime nieghbour that i had gasoline stored away. I went for a hike for a few days and he helped himself to it. Also helped heimself to my emergency water on my patio, to water his garden during a watering ban.

oh well. Guess they will find out for themselves.... :foot:

 

[Grump]

Does anyone else fear confiscation, or am I overreacting?

If the day ever comes and if local law enforcement is tasked with confiscation, I'll lay down my badge. I haven't spent the last 20 years protecting the constitutional rights of "We the People" just to be ordered to escort the Second Amendment to the shredder.

 

[zombieHD55]

I agree, we may see another assault weapon ban but I don't believe someone will come to my house and try to take my collection. I've been running AK-47 variants lately cause its cheaper to feed them wolf/surplus ammo. Brass 5.56/223 ammo for my ARs is getting too expensive. It's time to start reloading.

The local police supply store put up a sign that reads only one rifle and three boxes of ammo per customer. People are starting to panic buy which will cause the prices to rise.

 

[Codger_64]

If the day ever comes and if local law enforcement is tasked with confiscation, I'll lay down my badge. I haven't spent the last 20 years protecting the constitutional rights of "We the People" just to be ordered to escort the Second Amendment to the shredder.

That is very good to hear Grump. At the further risk of having this thread moved to the political forum, I'd like to briefly respond.

Many good people in law enforcement echo the sentiments you expressed. The problem lies in incrementalism. Restrict this, restrict that, license this, license that, add a tax here and a tax there. We've seen this for years. Any outright ban would be the result of the accumulation of small restrictive legislation making ownership prohibitivly costly. And licensing a right? That turns it into a priviledge which can be regulated or rescended. Just as a person may contract away the right to remain silent, they may contract away their rights under the 2nd ammendment, even if tricked into doing so.

Jeff (or any mods), if I crossed over the line with this say so and I will delete my post.

Codger

 

[Idaho Jarhead]

The problem lies in incrementalism. Restrict this, restrict that, license this, license that, add a tax here and a tax there. We've seen this for years. Any outright ban would be the result of the accumulation of small restrictive legislation making ownership prohibitivly costly.

This is where I see it going as well. I think an outright ban or restriction on firearms and supplies would be political suicide. For non-gunlovers I compare it to the poor SOB who tries to take away Social Security. But, I can easily see Clinton-type restrictions surfacing.

In the immediate future there are more important things to worry about and the would have to be crazy to worry about firearms.

I am working on tracking down my next firearm purchase right now. As far as caching ammo...well, lets just say I'm covered.

 

[R.A.T.]

Great thread. I pretty much have the same sentiments with everything posted here. And Grump, you're not alone. I know a lot of LEOs that intend to do the same thing.

To be honest with you, ammo and gun bans are not my biggest concerns even though I'm a firm 2nd Amendment guy with my share of firearms. My biggest concern is inflation due to all the money that has been printed on these bailout plans. Even high school economics tells us that you can't print money and not expect to eventually get inflation. I've seen countries in Latin America go into hyperinflation and when you can't buy a loaf of bread with a wheel barrow full of cash, you've got problems.

I also think we should factor in panic when food shortages start happening (thus the need for defensive weapons), as well as an increase in crime due to a bad recession, no jobs, inflation, etc.

Something no one is really mentioning is what's going to happen when our troops come home. I intend no disrespect when I say this (everyone knows we are huge supporters of the military) but if we bring home soldiers in mass, and all of these soldiers are coming home to a bad economy with no jobs? Think about the potentials there.

 

[Grump]

I agree that outright bans and confiscation are probably not something that we'll encounter within the foreseeable future. I also agree that it would be political suicide to attempt such radical measures. I do see incremental restrictions, taxes and other control methods as having a high probability of being instituted and, right before the last assault weapon ban, I began implementing countermeasures. I will continue my countermeasures as long as I can afford to and as long as I can do so within the law.

Great points, Jeff! I feel that everyone needs to develop a preparedness mentality because our way of life may be threatened on many fronts.

 

[Codger_64]

Many of the soldiers are citizen soldiers, I.E. National guard and reserves, so I think they have employment garanteed when they return, at least many of them. But I am not hearing a plan to bring them home, just shift them to another country.

The secret to avoiding hyperinflation is to confiscate and export the cash, not to let it dillute what is already in circulation. Taxes anyone? Oh, and most of the money in circulation at any one time isn't paper anyway. It is just numbers in a database. You can do wonderful tricks with a database full of numbers.

 

[Grump]

Many of the soldiers are citizen soldiers, I.E. National guard and reserves, so I think they have employment garanteed when they return, at least many of them.

As long as their employer is still in business.

But I am not hearing a plan to bring them home, just shift them to another country.

Yep, it sounds that way.

 

[R.A.T.]

In a fiat money system like we have (nothing backs the money), it doesn't matter if "money" is just numbers are actually printed pieces of paper when it comes to the affects on inflation and economic numbers.

 

[Varg Lobos]

Fear that the new administration will push for new gun laws. Here's a link to the relevant segment of the broadcast.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27686558#27686558

If that URL doesn't work, you should be able to find the video at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/. It's titled "Gun Sales Skyrocketing" and it can be found in the Nightly News section. There are dozens of similar news reports on youtube.com. Just search on "gun sales".

Yes, I realize the reason gun and ammo sales are spiking. I was asking if NBC had the balls to report it.

 

[Grump]

Man, I just ordered 1,000 rounds of .223 ammo and now I don't know if I can afford the IZULA's and RC-3's that are on my must have list. [ouch!] If anyone is interested in Black Hills .223 FMJ (new, not reman), Cabela's has it on sale and there's a $30 discount available on orders over $150. My total for 500 rounds was $226.94, including shipping and the $30 discount. It is backordered with an estimated ship date of 4-5 weeks.

Disclaimer: Not affiliated with Cabela's... blah blah blah... happy customer... blah blah blah.... etc.

If ammo and gun prices continue their unreasonable upward trend, maybe R.A.T Cutlery should consider production of throwing knives.

[Oh yeah, I ain't gonna allow a little ammo purchase to keep me from buying more RC knives!]

 

[Grump]

Yes, I realize the reason gun and ammo sales are spiking. I was asking if NBC had the balls to report it.

Yup, they did. Now that their man has been elected, they don't have to spin stuff - they can go back to telling the truth.

 

[WoodenChicken]

Probably there isn't an exact answer for this, but how many rounds (for each caliber) would you folks recommend stockpiling? I need a goal to work towards....

 

[Grump]

Probably there isn't an exact answer for this, but how many rounds (for each caliber) would you folks recommend stockpiling? I need a goal to work towards....

That's a tough question to answer since one size doesn't fit all. We each need to find our comfort level while weighing factors such as available storage space, finances, number of weapons, perceived needs, etc. I plan to overstock so that, should the need arise, I have something to barter with.