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An Interview With Sean Perkins!

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I have always thought the major knife publications lack an interesting, insightful facet of the knifemaking world, namely interviews with makers. Instead of complaining, I decided I'd take it into my own hands to correct the problem. My first interview is with a knifemaker many of us at BFC have come to know and love, Sean Perkins.
The interview deals with Sean's background, his philosophy on knife design, how he makes and tests his knives, equipment, and future projects to look out for. I found it quite informative, and Sean has a great sense of humor, too, which comes out in the interview. I would be honored if people would check out the interview, which is only about 4-5 pages long, and post here what you think. If I hget enough feedback then i will consider doing this as a regular addition to my webpage. Enjoy and PLEASE post your thoughts, good or bad! The interview can be found by linking to the webpage you see in my signature, or you can go to it directly <a href = "http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Lab/1298/interview1.html"> here</a>. Thanks for your time!

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Thanks, Kestrel, I am glad you were able to get something out of it. Sean is an interesting guy that makes interesting knives, and his outlook is very fresh. Owning one of his knives is like owning a piece of Sean, really. You can tell a LOT about the guy just by holding one of his knives, and that isn't something that can be said about too many knifemakers.

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My Custom Kydex Sheath pagehttp://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Lab/1298/knifehome.html
Palmer College of Chiropractic
On Two Wheels
 
Chiro,

Very nice interview. I've been interested in Sean's work for over a year since seeing his ad and his banner here. I'm more so now.

Will have to just dive in with an order. Just too much good stuff though...

sing
 
Nicely done, Chiro.

I got to know of Sean through reading the article about the Kerver posted by my two friends Jean-Manuel Moreau and Fred Perrin.

Since that time Sean has become a friend as well, and I probably have carried the Kerver (Antiqua series) more than any other knife since receiving it.

I recently (this weekend) received a Kerver (Praecisio series)from Sean. It doesn't have the same look and feel as the original Kerver I own, but what an amazing "pocket scalpel". (I plan on writing more about it after I've put it through its paces some.)
"Sharp" doesn't begin to describe the edge on this fine little knife.

I am glad you have written your "article" about Sean.

I truly enjoy when good things come to good people, and I feel that Sean is deserving of the good notoriety with which I feel he imbues his blades.

Blues

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Live Free or Die

 
Thanks, guys! Sing, for a first from Sean, I would recommend anything in the Novare Series. They are reasonably priced and will give you an idea of what the knives are capable of. I still think everyone should have an Antiqua, too, but I always recommend people start out small! I, too, haven't carried a pocket folder since I got my Scaetha and Seraph!

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My Custom Kydex Sheath pagehttp://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Lab/1298/knifehome.html
Palmer College of Chiropractic
On Two Wheels
 
Chiro, thanks for the review. I am always interested in hearing about why a maker does what he does in the manenr he does. That "don't be a wuss" comment was really funny. However what stands out strongly to me is the following. This is his warrenty :

Each Perkins knife is, for one year from the date of purchase, warranted against functional failure due to materials or workmanship. This warranty is limited to repair or replacement, at the maker's discretion. The warranty does not guarantee the knife against damage due to alteration, neglect, or abuse, which include, but are not limited to, hammering the knife; using the knife as a screwdriver; using the knife as a prying tool; using the knife on hard materials, such as stone, ceramic, or metal;

Ok, that is sort of standard (except for the time limit - one year on a custom knife is just plain wrong). However when you combine that with how Sean tests his knives :

After heat-treatment, every knife is tested for hardness, endurance, and edge-retention by being filed across its edge, being used to chop hardwood, being four times thrust into poplar and twisted out in all directions, being tip- and spine-struck repeatedly against brick and against an anvil, and by being sharpened to a 20-degree edge, then used to make 1200 striking slices into cured oak, after which the blade must still readily shave. Frequent destructive testing of Antiqua Series (tm) models has shown that, in addition to passing the standard tests listed above, the normally hardened knife is capable of shaving and slicing lesser-hardened steels while sustaining no edge damage; of having its edge, spine, and the parrying region (from grind-line to spine) of both faces struck forcefully and repeatedly against fixed natural stone and suffering no bends and no structural damage, only shallow edge chipping; of making repeated full-power chops edge-to-edge against an immobilized knife of equal hardness, yet chipping no deeper than 1/16"; and of being immobilized at the shoulder, having its unsupported blade faces and spine struck from every angle by strong, two-handed cuts with an equal knife twice its size, and enduring these cuts without cracking or breaking. (See Warranty terms.) The harshness of standard nondestructive testing usually results in at least one shallow dent along the spine, and most owners proudly consider this occurrence as proof-marking.

The good thing is that he is very descriptive and indicates precisely what the results should be. However it looks like to me if you were to attempt to duplicate his tests you void the warrenty. Am I the only one that has a problem with this?

-Cliff


[This message has been edited by Cliff Stamp (edited 12 July 1999).]
 
It has been my experience that what is in writing isn't always the same thing as what is done in practice. I can't answer for Sean, but based on his personality and methods, I would have a feeling that if one broke under pretty much any circumstances that something would be worked out. A warranty is a legal means by which to cover your ass from having people abuse your products and try to return them. As Sean stated, his knives stand up to EXTREME testing, so if you were to destroy one, it would mean that you REALLY, really had to work at it. I suggest emailing Sean personally if you are concerned. I have pounded both of my knives into a block of hardwood using a wooden mallet with absolutely no worries. They were no worse for the wear, either. Also, Sean's knives aren't only tested in an extreme manner, but they are MADE in an extreme manner, so I don't think you have to worry about a failure. The only way to gain insight into what his real policies are, though, is to contact him directly. I have 100% confidence in my Perkins knives in any situation, and if I broke one, then it would have to be in some pretty crazy circumstances.

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Palmer College of Chiropractic
On Two Wheels
 
I thoroughly enjoyed the interview, Chiro75…thanks for your time and effort! I guess I'm particularly interested because I just ordered a couple of Sean's knives (a Kerver Antiqua and a Falchian Novare); I'm anxiously awaiting their delivery. I've been intrigued by the aesthetics of Sean's work for some time, but it took me a long time to convince myself of the feasibility of such small fixed blades. Sean's rationale for their development and his comparisons to other more traditional small blades all seem to make sense, though. I'm looking forward to seeing how these knives perform…

By the way, I agree that "maker interviews" are an important feature that does not appear often enough in most cutlery publications.

Jim
 
Nice interview. I live about 5 miles away from Sean. So, after seeing his ads for several months in Blade and later seeing his website, I decided to give him a call and see what it was all about. Sean is very personable and his setup is simple, but perfect for his needs. I was surprized to find when I met him (and was mentioned in the interview) that he is not into any custom or factoy knives. He had one of each of his knives there for me to see, and they are unlike any other makers knives. It will be interesting to see him make the folders that he mentioned in the interview.
 
Mr. Stamp I would tend to agree with you. The warranty should be for the lifetime of a maker as far as I am concerned. Otherwise like you said the warrantly is pretty standard and nothing that would keep me from buying gone of the blades. I mean I am always going to prefer an unconditional warranty but oh well. I mean most knives that aren't warranted as such or for heavy prying, etc, I will never use in that way and not just becasue of the warranty but becasue the blade isn't really designed for that or because I have another blade that is designed for that more so and warranted for it as well.
For instance the Reeve P1. I would never use it for heavy prying. Why because I have other knives like my AK that can do it better and are warranted for it and because its not something I see the Reeve being good at or designed for. The Reeve could handle it its just not something its very good at. To me if I use my Reeve I don't plan on doing heavy prying that day with a blade or I would have used my AK or Busse that day.

Now this goes for most of the time. I mean if I were in a survival situation I am sure I would have to pry with the Reeve if thats all I had but then if it broke and I made it out alive I am betting CRK would replace. Warranty's are tricky things that really relie more on the person providing the warranty to me.

I hope this makes since to you its a very hard thing to describe.

As for Mr. Perkins testing his knives that way and not warrantying them for it. As he said his blades are meant to be like pocket swords. So most of the time they are not meant to be subjected to such stress. Only during life and death instances so the testing is meant to show they can survive such an instance like being slammed into a skull. Now if one of his blade's broke during such a conflict I bet he would replace it. I hope you get the idea as I am not sure I explained it to well but if needed I will try again.

thanks and take care
collin
 
Thanks again, guys! Jim, I think you will find that Sean's knives grow on you quickly, but they aren't an immediate love affair, at least they weren't in my case. Aesthetically they are incredible, but with the Antiqua Series, there is actually a learning curve to using it, I think. The scythe grind is absolutely unique in the way it cuts and performs. As a result, you can't go about cutting with it the same you would anything else. I liked the knives right off the bat, but it took a couple days of carrying them for me to LOVE them! I've had my two for about a month or so and since I received them I haven't carried another knife, which says a lot. I usually have four knives or so that make it into my daily carry rotation, but these days it's either the Seraph or the Scaetha. I feel bad for my Spydercos, but they'll live!

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Palmer College of Chiropractic
On Two Wheels
 
Cliff, Chiro is exactly right in his reply to you. If a person wants something broken, he can break it. Any preadolescent can tell you that, and prove it as well. Give any 12-year-old a vise, a claw hammer, and a Masamune, and you'll end up with a broken sword, an unpayable insurance bill, and a kid with a price on his head. The standard testing described should not result in what the warranty terms functional failure; if it did, the knife couldn't leave the shop, because it would have already failed, and the failure would be quite visible. The destructive testing described is just that: destructive. When I perform these tests, it's to see for myself how much the knife will endure, and it's with prior knowledge that the knife will be at least partially destroyed. It's random quality control. If someone wants to do these same destructive things to the knife, by all means he should buy two, because there's no reason on earth that I or anyone else should guarantee any knife against such treatment. Knives cut materials softer than themselves. This is inherent in the very concept of the knife blade. If a person feels the need to attempt cutting harder materials (stone and ceramic, for example), or to pry with it, or to use it as a screwdriver, or to pick his nose with it, he must accept responsibility for the results of his actions, not claim that there is a design or material flaw and get a new knife from the maker. The knife is made (and usually bought) to be used as a cutting tool, and the fact that its design makes it also capable of prying or screwdriving doesn't change the fact that using it for such things is outside the scope of its obvious most suitable use, and may cause damage to the blade. (Note that wood-chopping is omitted here, because it's another form of cutting, so far as I'm concerned; chop wood all you want, guys. Watch out for nails, just like your Daddy probably told you in all good sense. If you do hit one, whine enough, and I'll try to fix it for ya; just don't piss me off in the process.) If the knife were best suited to anything other than cutting, it would be a multi-tool of some sort, with a pry-bar/screwdriver blade at the handle end, perhaps. It's not. It looks like a knife, generally acts like a knife, so it's probably a knife. Handle here, blade there. Cut stuff with it. I limit the warranty to one year because I have no control over the circumstances into which the knife will fall. I have no control over whose hands it will enter. The warranty is stated as it is not because I lack faith in my knives, but because I have no knowledge of the people who will eventually come to possess them or the intentions/intelligence with which said people will use them.

That stated, I will only point to the parallel situation in guns and other tools. Has anyone ever noticed that the companies producing some of the world's finest, most durable, and most proven pieces-- for example, Glock and Beretta, unless their policies have changed since I bought my last-- limit their warranties to 1-2 years, while the lesser makers, especially those who produce zinc pistols in the $50-$75 range, cannot possibly trumpet their "Lifetime Guarantee" more loudly? The same is true of many tools; several companies (notably one in particular) are famous for their lifetime guarantees, while the higher-dollar tools are guaranteed for, at most, five years. Having been, as a consumer, on both sides of both these coins, unfortunately, I trust far more deeply the guns and tools that come with the limited warranties. When I was 23, enemy-free, and pushed a pencil for a living, I was very impressed with lifetime guarantees. Now I'm 33, not quite as friendly, and I depend on any number of various tools for the continuance of my life. I've used and killed a lot of them, and I'm no longer convinced that "Lifetime Guarantee" equals quality; usually, in my experience, it equals a sales pitch that, given the inexpensive nature of the product's materials and the lack of work/money put into it, will result in little or no loss in the few instances of the guarantee's being activated. (There are, of course, exceptions, such as Smith & Wesson's "Lifetime Service Policy" and any handmaker's lifetime warranty; I trust both, for the most part.) This is a roundabout way of saying that I'm not dishonest or out to screw anyone, yet at the same time I'm not bending double at the waist and lubricating my nether orifices. I stand by my word, my warranty, my knives. The knives speak for themselves, have done so in myriad places and in wildly various hands, and need no defense. I've spoken my piece, and intend to respond publicly to this no further; if you gentlemen have specific questions, feel free to email me. I have nothing to hide, but my tongue, obviously, gets out of control, as does my temper (mostly martensite). I wish all of you the best, and I thank you for your interest in my work.

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Sean Perkins
perkinsknives.com
seanperkins@yahoo.com


[This message has been edited by Sean Perkins (edited 12 July 1999).]

[This message has been edited by Sean Perkins (edited 12 July 1999).]

[This message has been edited by Sean Perkins (edited 12 July 1999).]

[This message has been edited by Sean Perkins (edited 12 July 1999).]
 
Thanks for the reply, Sean. I wanted to add just a couple things...with larger knives, I can see how people can be tempted to dig or pry or do other not-so-smart things with them. With Sean's knives, however, I don't think there is this temptation. Look at it this way: the knives are at their longer 5". This is not enough to produce any meaningful leverage except maybe to pry the top off a can of paint, and, I would suspect, painting stuff is not a priority when in a desperate or survival situation. When people are painting they probably also have access to more appropriate prying tools. Let's look at another example: You find yourself in the woods and for some reason feel compelled to dig a pit in the ground. a knife that is 4" OAL and has a 1" wide blade would make a pretty poor digger, don't you think? You'd be better off breakingoff a big branch, using the knife to trim it up, and using the stick to dig with.
Bottom line is that Sean's knives are 100% dependable, no questions asked as long as you are using them as knives. That's all that should be expected, in my opinion, of a knife. Sean takes a huge amount of time, blood, sweat and tears to make his knives, so he can't warranty left and right like some companies, but OTOH he wouldn't HAVE to anyway. Buy his knives, use the hell out of them, and go to bed satisfied that you have made an investment which will serve you for a LIFETIME.

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My Custom Kydex Sheath pagehttp://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Lab/1298/knifehome.html
Palmer College of Chiropractic
On Two Wheels
 
Agocs,

Very nice review.

Mr Perkins,

Nice looking knives, when my curretn wish list is purchased, I will have to look into your stuff more.

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Sean :

If someone wants to do these same destructive things to the knife, by all means he should buy two, because there's no reason on earth that I or anyone else should guarantee any knife against such treatment.

Sure there is. You describe a series of tests and the results, which to me don't appear to be destructive. Unless I have missed something, the knives do not appear to be functionally damaged. What you are doing is claiming a level of performance and at the same time preventing the consumer from verifying this by excluding it in the warrenty. Cold Steel regularly gets harshly critized for doing exactly this.

Now this would be different if say you said something like the following :

My blades when tempered to 60 RC show sufficient strength for heavy work. When fixed in a vice it takes over 1000 inch.lbs to produce the necessary flex (over 35 degrees) to break the steel.

Now anyone repeating that and wanting a new knife after breaking it by exerting over 1000 inch.lbs of torque would be kind of stupid. However if they did it and the knife broke at under 1000 inch.lbs they should get a new knife because it didn't stand up to the performance levels you claim. That is my basic point. If you state a certain level of performance shouldn't you back exactly this in your warrenty?

As for the time limit, I agree to an extent. Warenties are to a large extent an attention getting thing. I have custom knives that I never even bothered to ask what the warrenty was. I simply assumed that the maker would stand behind the performance we discussed when the knife was being designed. However, I don't see any reason for a time limit. Its not like after one year the steel has had its composition altered. If you are concerned with different people using it then you could go with "original owner" or something.

-Cliff
 
Sometimes this arguing for the sake of arguing gets beyond ridiculous. (You know who you are.)

If in normal use, and by that I mean anything that a knife is designed for, you break a knife that Sean has made, I'd be quite surprised.

These are solid little mothers, from the Antiqua series (1/4 inch stock A2) to the Praecisio (1/8 inch stock A2).

We are talking about four inches OAL here. This is not a hatchet, a smatchet, a bayonet, an axe or a bludgeon. It is a SOLID one piece pocket fixed blade. Oh, and it is sharp. And it cuts. It does what it was designed to do.

Please can we get past the semantics?

Sean's knives are a bargain at the prices he offers them for. They are handmade, they are unique, they work, and the man that makes them is a good person worthy of support, unlike some other makers who think they are deities of some sort.

I for one would never fear to use this knife for any activity because I thought it would fail.

By way of background, I have mountaineered, rock climbed, scuba dived and done other rigorous outdoor activity in many parts of the U.S. and other countries. Plus, in my role as an LEO I have had occasion to put my equipment to hard use. I'd rate Sean Perkins' knives as essentially bulletproof.

Could I break one? Yeah, probably if I set out to do it and worked at it. But if owning a knife is just for the purpose of setting out to destroy it, then I just don't get it.

Just my two cents, but this constant onslaught on multiple threads and forums is getting a bit old. (IMHO)

No offense intended, but let's get on with it.

Blues



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Live Free or Die

 
Excellent points, Blues. I would also add that a maker's tests do not imply the mode of use for a product. Sean does destructive testing of his knives to insure that they are more than able to withstand any force encountered as the KNIFE IS DESIGNED FOR. This does not, however, imply that the user should do the same. On those commercials that show a car that has had a certain brand of synthetic oil put in its engine and then drained and then driven 100,000 miles or whatever, I will GUARANTEE 100% that the manufacturer of said oil would not pay to replace your car if you tried the same thing with not as good a result.
Testing and guidelines for use are two different things. I have tested my sheaths on DEET and described the results. If one of my customers bathed his sheath in DEET, I would laugh and tell him how sorry I am that he is stupid, not replace the sheath! Sean does his tests, I would assume, for the peace of mind that he is selling a product that does its intended purpose at a level he is confident in, and this insures the customer is getting a product that is worth what they are paying. sean's tests are destructive to his knives, and they shouldn't be repeated.

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Palmer College of Chiropractic
On Two Wheels
 
Sorry Chiro but I got caught up in the moment and forgot to tell you what a nice interview you did. I really enjoyed reading it.

As for the warranty issue I would like to see a warranty as Mr. Stamp describes. However, I will still be buying one of Mr. Perkins blades one day when I get sufficient funds. They are great pieces and I am willing to take my chances with the warranty as well.

thats all I have to say.

thanks and take care
collin
 
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