An untruth about the Emerson Kandahr

Vinnie Palucci · Jun 8, 2002

I was talking to a very good friend yesturday and a very disturbing topic was brought to my attention. He informed me of a new Emerson knife, which by the way resembles a Strider Dwyer Custom D-9 almost exactly.

My friend informed me that this new Emerson knife which was very distatefuly named the Kandahar was used by Marine Force Recon units in Afgahnistan. More specificly the unit that was engaged in the vehicle ambush.

I will tell you two things. One, no one from that unit or any other unit carried an Emerson Kandahr in Afgahnistan. In fact the knives carried by that unit aside from the basic issue were all STRIDER knives. And two I thought Ernie Emerson had a little more honor for his a) Country and b) his fellow knife makers.

If you are asking how I know this I again will let you know two things. One, I'm from that unit, and two I was in Afgahnistan. I was in Kandahr not where the fire fight took place.

I could see how some of the Strider knives being carried over there could be mistaken for this Emerson Kandahr, because this Emerson knife is a copy of the Dwyer Custom D-9 which about 200 have been sold now. and it was these knives, the D-9's and other Striders that were carried there.

I will take e-mails from anyone that thinks they no better on this issue. You might want to save your self the time because I will tell you know you are wrong.

Repectfully submitted,

Vinnie

Phillip · Jun 8, 2002

Originally posted by Vinnie Palucci:

I was talking to a very good friend yesturday and a very disturbing topic was brought to my attention. He informed me of a new Emerson knife, which by the way resembles a Strider Dwyer Custom D-9 almost exactly.

It's funny how a Bowie style blade will resemble another. Because Emerson's knife "resembles" a D-9 "almost exactly" does not make it a rip off or a copy.

Originally posted by Vinnie Palucci:

My friend informed me that this new Emerson knife which was very distatefuly named the Kandahar was used by Marine Force Recon units in Afgahnistan. More specificly the unit that was engaged in the vehicle ambush.
I will tell you two things. One, no one from that unit or any other unit carried an Emerson Kandahr in Afgahnistan. In fact the knives carried by that unit aside from the basic issue were all STRIDER knives. And two I thought Ernie Emerson had a little more honor for his a) Country and b) his fellow knife makers.

The page the Kandahar is listed on does not specifically state it is in use with any specific unit. It is in fact quite vague only stating that "More than a handful are in use with advisors..."
And two, go **** yourself. You could just as easily have checked out the Emerson website and seen for yourself. Instead you chose to post here where there has been little traffic since the inception of the USN. Try posting this there and see the response you get.

Originally posted by Vinnie Palucci:

I could see how some of the Strider knives being carried over there could be mistaken for this Emerson Kandahr, because this Emerson knife is a copy of the Dwyer Custom D-9 which about 200 have been sold now. and it was these knives, the D-9's and other Striders that were carried there.

Again, the EKI site says nothing in specific about where the knives were used nor by whom. Now, have you seen all 200 D-9's in use in Afganistan? If each was not personally inspected by you, is it possible that maybe 4 or 5 are Emerson knives? Is it possible that you might be mistaken? I'm not calling you a liar, but is it a possibility that some of the thousands of troops over there have an Emerson knife?

I'm editing this to add this link:
http://www.emersoncollectorsassociation.com/Home.html

Click the knives link.

Phillip · Jun 8, 2002

Vinnie, I guess the fact that you are also running a special on the
D-9's has nothing to do with this attack?

lifter4Him · Jun 8, 2002

I know for a fact that one of them is being carried in Afghanistan right now by a well respected suspect.

Vinnie Palucci · Jun 8, 2002

Hey look,
If you people want to fight about this fine bring it on. I said nothing about what is there right now, I said nothing about me selling knives, and I said nothing about another branch of the service.
I told the story the way it was told to me. Weather it was said in this forum or to someone else in person the fact of the matter it was said about a specific unit in a specific location, so go f*ck your self and read what I said. And this is a public forum so I'm pretty sure I can post what ever I want to.
So Phillip I'm not sure if you can read or not, but I never said where the story came from. So this really is no attack if it is not true. Again it's not an attack if it is true, I'm just clearifying. I also never said that all 200 D-9 were there either. So my advice is to get someone to read this post to you and explain what it says so you can understand it. Than go F*ck yourself.

Lifter4him I'm sure there is. I never said there wasn't any in Afgahnistan I said they were not with a speficic unit at that place.

Vinnie Palucci
rs8541@worldnet.att.net

alelser · Jun 8, 2002

And two I thought Ernie Emerson had a little more honor for his a) Country and b) his fellow knife makers.

Followed by:

I told the story the way it was told to me.

Where do you get off accusing Ernest Emerson of anything? Did you hear him make these claims? Has EKI advertised this knife in a dishonest manner? No and no. I also happen to know that the Strider guys (specifically Duane) and Ernest Emerson have discussed the knives (many weeks ago) and both parties are cool on the matter.

So, if you want to slam Ernest Emerson's character based on hearsay, go right ahead. All it does is expose your own.

-Al-

Vinnie Palucci · Jun 8, 2002

Al,
Well you tell the story anyway you want to. Hearsay is not what this was based off of and you are incorrect about both parties being cool with it.
I have nothing personal against Ernie Emerson. I think it is distasteful naming the knife what he did. If you ever served your country you would probably feel the same. Trying to market a product and make money off of the hard work we are doing over there is in very poor taste. So is copying another design. Again Emerson knives are great knives, but things were said and they were incorrect. And I could cae less what you think of my charactor.

Vinnie

Phillip · Jun 8, 2002

Vinnie, in my line of work it is necessary to call something what it is. If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, and looks like a duck, then it's a duck.
If you want to try and say that what you originally posted was not an attack, that's fine by me. But I respectfully ask that you re-read what you posted and tell all of us that.

Originally posted by Vinnie Palucci:

And two I thought Ernie Emerson had a little more honor for his a) Country and b) his fellow knife makers

I think that speaks for itself.
There's no fight here. Your buddy told you a story and you chose to believe it. Your mistake was not asking around on your own to find out if it's true or checking the EKI website to see for yourself.
So with all due respect Vinnie, if you want to say your first post is not an attack, fine by me. The person you need to apologize to is Ernest Emerson.

Phillip · Jun 8, 2002

BTW the two knives are not copies of one another. Look at them. The only thing they share in common is that they are both bowies.

alelser · Jun 8, 2002

Mr. Palucci,

First of all, I have no story. I only quoted you. Second, What you find to be poor taste is not the issue. If you have problems with EKI's marketing or business practices, so be it. I'm certainly not going to change your mind. Third, I would like to refer you to this thread concerning the knife and the Strider/Emerson issue. If you refer to the second page I'll quote Mick Strider:

Mr Duane and Mr Ernie have spoken regarding this matter.
All is well. No bloody toes.
Emerson and Strider are still pals.
It is nice to be able to handle things with a friendly phone call.
Talk to you guys soon.

Mick

Finally, I will ask you directly: did Mr. Emerson or any of his employees make the false claims you mentioned in you first post directly to you or anywhere in print, or are you attacking Mr. Emerson's character based on hearsay?

-Al-

lifter4Him · Jun 8, 2002

Al,
Dont waste your breath. This is the same hero that threatened to beat that young kid up last year for having the nerve to cancel an order.
Palooka, dont bother threatening me over the internet. If you see me at a show like Timonium or NY, just bring it on.

"quaking with fear"

Dave

John Hollister · Jun 8, 2002

Mr. Palucci

Welcome

I was talking to a very good friend yesturday and a very disturbing topic was brought to my attention. He informed me of a new Emerson knife, which by the way resembles a Strider Dwyer Custom D-9 almost exactly.

Picture from TADGear.com

Picture from TADGear.com

There is a resemblance. Both are clip point fixed blades. Shall we put up pictures of EVERY clip point fixed blade ever made?

Here's a picture from 1993 you might find interesting.

Another:

Handles look familiar? How about the blades? Do they look just a little like:

I don't hear people, particularly Ernest screaming about it. The Tanto has been around for generations . . . so has the clip point/Bowie design.

My friend informed me that this new Emerson knife which was very distastefully named the Kandahar was used by Marine Force Recon units in Afgahnistan. More specificly the unit that was engaged in the vehicle ambush.

I will tell you two things. One, no one from that unit or any other unit carried an Emerson Kandahr in Afgahnistan. In fact the knives carried by that unit aside from the basic issue were all STRIDER knives.

So your upset because your unnamed friend tells you a story.

Look up "Hearsay" and "Rumor"

And two I thought Ernie Emerson had a little more honor for his a) Country and b) his fellow knife makers.

I'll not even answer this one, other then to say you know <u>not</u> of what you speak. Period.

If you are asking how I know this I again will let you know two things. One, I'm from that unit, and two I was in Afgahnistan. I was in Kandahr not where the fire fight took place.

I could see how some of the Strider knives being carried over there could be mistaken for this Emerson Kandahr, because this Emerson knife is a copy of the Dwyer Custom D-9 which about 200 have been sold now. and it was these knives, the D-9's and other Striders that were carried there.

I'd like to extend my person thanks for your efforts in the military and in Afghanistan in particular.

That having been said, your's was the only unit in the military? Every man and women that is fighting or has fought in Afghanistan seems to have personally OKed their knife choice with you. Congratulations, you are a knife God.

If you people want to fight about this fine bring it on. I said nothing about what is there right now, I said nothing about me selling knives, and I said nothing about another branch of the service.

So exactly what are you saying?

I told the story the way it was told to me. Weather it was said in this forum or to someone else in person the fact of the matter it was said about a specific unit in a specific location

You mean the supposed story you brought to the table, told to you by your unnamed friend?

And this is a public forum so I'm pretty sure I can post what ever I want to.

Yes, you pretty much can. Happened or not, truth or not, Hearsay or not.

I never said there wasn't any in Afgahnistan I said they were not with a speficic unit at that place

See above . . . What exactly are you saying?

Well you tell the story anyway you want to. Hearsay is not what this was based off of and you

You certainly are and that's exactly what it was.

Mr. Palucci, I have the utmost respect for Mick Strider and Duane Dwyer. They are awesome knife makers and even better human beings.

Mick has already spoken on the matter and I really don't think Duane needs you as his mouth piece, he's plenty able to defend himself and his knives.

How appropriate was the title of this thread?

"An untruth about the Emerson Kandahr"

Have a good day

John Hollister

Edit: 06/12/02 - Picture of Kandahar changed from EKI to Tad Picture

tom poe · Jun 8, 2002

don't bother with him, he's just a dealer with "what i was told".

LizardKing · Jun 8, 2002

From just looking at the knives, i would say that the emerson is not a copy, but it could have been unfluenced strongly by the D9. The part that most closely resembles the D9 is the clip, and the false edge it has. The gaurds have some resemblence but i would say that they are both rather standard.

I think the D9 is the better looking knife, but i prefer the emersons handle.

I dont know anything about the deployment of these knives but i do believe that the name is in bad taste.

John Hollister · Jun 8, 2002

it could have been unfluenced strongly by the D9

Which was influenced by . . .

Sniper308 · Jun 8, 2002

And to think that I had previously e-mailed this particular dealer and was considering purchasing a fine Strider product from him.

Good thing I know of another dealer who is above this level!

Eich1911 · Jun 8, 2002

Vinnie,

I am having a bit of trouble understanding why you posted this. If you would have asked, "Where did the name come from?" That would have showed you were just searching for information. When you recived a reply, that stated the circumstances you heard about, then bring it on. I would have no problem in the world with that.

The way you bring this up, show a lack of class. You should conduct yourself in a better manner, then tossing about accusations that you have no proof of other then hearsay.
Worried about your market share? I hope not, the people replying in this thread are tried and true Strider and Emerson customers. I think all you did with this thread is lost some customers for yourself.

Your information could be wrong, the person who told you about it could have replaced just a few key words. The knife in question could well have been named to honor thoes Marines, not stating that they were carrying the knife at the time. I do not know the reason behind the name, so I cant say for sure.

I know the names of Strider knives come from operations and or people. Does that mean that knife design was on that mission, or carried by that person?

As Lifter stated, I also know that their is a Emerson Kandahar in service in Afganastan right now.

Lets move on guys, we have better things to occupy our time. Hope we can chalk it up to trying to bring us information, not tryign to start a flame war.

Kyle

HC Leo · Jun 8, 2002

Thanks Vinnie

I needed some convincing. I'll be calling Emerson knives on Monday to place my order for one.

A little while back a similar thread questioned whether the Mick Strider Custom and the Brend Model 2 looked strikingly similar in their blade grinds. Similar but not the same. This is no different.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=164869&highlight=brend

Nice try attacking Ernie Emerson. It just doesn't wash!

And before you 'ASSume' some of us are Strider haters you may notice a few guys who defended Strider in that thread are Suspects. Suspects who own and use Strider products.

Shame on you, you went about this all wrong

Nosamk · Jun 8, 2002

open mouth. insert GI Issue boot covered in Afganie sand. congratulations now you look like a dumbass!! Way to go!!

Brian C · Jun 8, 2002

Originally posted by Vinnie Palucci
...a new Emerson knife, which by the way resembles a Strider Dwyer Custom D-9 almost exactly...

With all due respect to your service, your statement is just plain delusional.

An untruth about the Emerson Kandahr

Search "Kyle Eichenseer" before dealing with me.