An untruth about the Emerson Kandahr

I dont want to get caught up in this, but im pretty sure it was based off the Buck M-9 hence the D-9. The Buck is a piece of junk to the Strider (Duane's) knife. So why not have the same knife that will hold up and be almost the same specs (so if you unit commander doesnt allow out side knives just issue, prob wouldnt notice it). Dont include me in the other part.

Matt
 
OK lets start again. Mr. Hollister what I'm saying is the knife was never with 1st Force Recon Co in Afgahnistan. THAT IS WHAT I'M SAYING. I'm not saying that there aren't any out in that country. So I don't know what everyone carried there and I never claimed I did. But I do know what the people in that unit carried which this whole thread was about so I'm not a knife god your a dumb ass for not reading what was said. So now people are taking what I said and replacing it with what they think I said.

I'm realy sorry you people don't like to hear things that conflict with your interests. I don't sell knives for a living. I sell Strider knives because I believe everyone should have a good knife. So if you people don't want a Strider or don't want to buy it from me than don't. Most of the people I provide knives to are military people. And I'm pretty sure that they won't stop getting knives because you people got your feelings hurt.

Again I have nothing personal against Mr. Emerson, but I'm not going to back down from this because you people say to. I know the facts of this story. You people have a hard time believing me and that's understandable. You don't know me and I came into this forum very stong. So why should you believe me.

None of these knives were with 1st Force Reconnaissance Company in Afgahnistan. If you want to argue about that some fine. My personal opinion on the knife resembling the D-9 is strictly my personal opinion and really didn't have a whole lot to do with the title of the thread and the point I was making.

I've served this country for over 12 years now, so all your personal attacks on me mean nothing. You can say I have no class, I'm an *******, I'm this, I'm that, but the bottom line is I've been out there doing the deed for 12 years and if you aren't strong enough to take some critisim than so be it, but I could care less what you people think of me. I've got a job to do every day no matter what the price, and I don't hear a whole lot of complaining about that. I'm pretty sure that my professional military career won't be tarnished because you people don't like the way I bring up a point.

I'm sorry that you all think that I'm making this up to personally attack Emerson Knives. I'm not. I brought it up to clearify what was and what wasn't at a certain event.

Vinnie
 
OK lets start again. Mr. Hollister what I'm saying is the knife was never with 1st Force Recon Co in Afgahnistan. THAT IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
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Thank you for clearing that up . . . just who EXACTLY said there were any of these Kandahars with the 1st Force Recon Company?! Certainly no one around here or even Emerson Knives for that matter. Matter of fact, this is the first anyone here, other then your buddy and you have heard of this. Shocking.

You originally posted this:

I was talking to a very good friend yesturday and a very disturbing topic was brought to my attention. He informed me of a new Emerson knife, which by the way resembles a Strider Dwyer Custom D-9 almost exactly.

My friend informed me that this new Emerson knife which was very distatefuly named the Kandahar was used by Marine Force Recon units in Afgahnistan. More specificly the unit that was engaged in the vehicle ambush.

I will tell you two things. One, no one from that unit or any other unit carried an Emerson Kandahr in Afgahnistan.
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Notice the Green highlighted areas . . . these start "my friend told me". Might I suggest you go talk to your buddy for feeding you bad info.

Notice the Red highlighted areas . . . which contradict your statement above:

I'm not saying that there aren't any out in that country
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But I do know what the people in that unit carried which this whole thread was about so I'm not a knife god your a dumb ass for not reading what was said
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I attempted to be as respectful as possible toward you, but as your not having it, so be it.

Again, thank you for clearing that up. So you debunked your own hearsay/rumor . . . good for you. ;) The National Inquirer could use you.
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Got any insider info on Elvis? I hear he was in the Army.

I'm pretty sure that they won't stop getting knives because you people got your feelings hurt.
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Nor should they. But I hope they can find a better source for them.

By the way. It appears to me that the only one with his/her feelings hurt is a certain knife dealer trying to muddy the waters. Many others of us find the subject mildly amusing (that means "funny").

Now:

Again I have nothing personal against Mr. Emerson
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Originally:

I thought Ernie Emerson had a little more honor for his a) Country and b) his fellow knife makers
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I know the facts of this story
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Well you seem to be the only one.

None of these knives were with 1st Force Reconnaissance Company in Afgahnistan
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So what? Talk to your "very good friend" (sp) about that.

If you want to argue about that some fine
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?! :eek:

Dude . . . Who's arguing!? :confused: Bring your buddy over and I'll kick his ass for you! Happy?

My personal opinion on the knife resembling the D-9 is strictly my personal opinion and really didn't have a whole lot to do with the title of the thread and the point I was making.
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LOL :) What the hell does?

I've served this country for over 12 years now, so all your personal attacks on me mean nothing. You can say I have no class, I'm an *******, I'm this, I'm that, but the bottom line is I've been out there doing the deed for 12 years and if you aren't strong enough to take some critisim than so be it, but I could care less what you people think of me. I've got a job to do every day no matter what the price, and I don't hear a whole lot of complaining about that. I'm pretty sure that my professional military career won't be tarnished because you people don't like the way I bring up a point.
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Nor should it. Again, from the bottom of my heart, no sarcasm intended . . . Thank you for all you've done. We live in the country we do thanks to the men and women of our military. I thank God every single day that people such as yourself are there when we need you.

That having been said, "What the **** Dude!" Argue with yourself much? They have pills now ya know. Medication doesn't have the stigma it once did. Try it, it might help.

I'm sorry that you all think that I'm making this up to personally attack Emerson Knives. I'm not. I brought it up to clearify what was and what wasn't at a certain event.
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Thanks

John Hollister
 
Vinny, everybody here respects your service to our country. Alot of us are veterans.
Most everyone here, including me, is a big supporter of Strider knives.

Did you ask Duane or Mick about this? Did you know they discussed it with Ernie Emerson? Did they have a problem with it?
Here's the big question-Did Ernie Emerson say this knife was carried by Marine Force Recon in Afghanistan? He has no control over other people spreading rumors about any knife he makes and shouldn't have to defend himself for something someone else said.

It's possible that somebody did make these statements to your friend but people say alot of things. Just because maybe some loudmouth makes a couple of statements does not mean he knows what he's talking about. You came in here with both guns blazing which causes others to respond in kind. People responded and you came back with f this and f that and go f yourself, but did you do any research? How do you expect people to respond? Especially after the thread where you threatened to beat the kid up because he had the nerve to cancel an order after you had packed it for shipment.Enough said.
 
imho, w/all the probs our troops are facing in afghanistan, the war we are waging right now to protect out way of life, US boys dieing, and ya are worried about what $illy a$$ knife they are carrying to open tin cans with.

talk about misplaced priorities, imho.

what diff does it make, really?

sure, striders are great knives, but so are emersons, this from someone who owns both of them. i doubt ernie copies anything from anyone, imho, if anything its people copying him imho

lets worry about things that really matter - i guess its a good sign that people are back to normal after 9/11, wiorried about trivial crap like this...........

its also easy to threaten/insult over the net, i have yet to see someone jump outta my screen and kick my a$$, and in real life, if ya do, ya wont be in the service long, criminal records kill your advancement ops in the corps, believe me, good luck to you sir



greg
 
Vinnie:
you know where I stand concerning your service to this great Country. I applaud you for the brave deeds you do and for keeping my family safe. But many people in many fields serve our country to keep it safe, make sacrifices, get killed, disabled or are forced to do things that are unspeakable. This does not in anyway make hearsay, gossip, rumor and inuendo any more valuable when it comes from a hero's mouth.

My two moments of glory and fame took place on American soil. one I came out the winner [if hitting first in a shoot-out makes you a winner] and the other one I lost BIGTIME being pummeled by a moron firing 579 rounds. Having said this, if I were to post a statement such as yours with the above as some "qualifier" that because I serve/served in a form of Government that deals with badsh*t to keep tree-hugging morons and good people safe, I would expect to get hammered to hell and rightly so. To spread rumors is not an acceptable action of someone in this line of work.

Alot of knives look alike and alot of knives, have names like Magnum, Police, military, stinger, gut slicer..........you catch my drift. A knife named 'Kandahar' is in bad taste because our armed forces are what? Kicking ass and making sacrifices? I personally dislike the name of the spyderco police because it is a vicious looking knife and shows a side of LE in a light I CONSIDER unfavorable. My opinion, BFD.

BUT, why come here and lower yourself to post an unfounded rumor with all the "qualifiers" you carry? Vinnie, think about who you are and what you represent. You are not "just a member of a public forum" but a person who carries a huge responsibility in life and one I would have expected to investigate a story told you over a beer BEFORE posting it for thousands to read.

I like STRIDER knives and respect the hell outta Mick and Duane. I buy their knives not because of them and their great service to America, but because their knives are BADASS. I like EMERSON knives and respect the hell outta Ernie Emerson. I buy his knives not because of ernie and his great service to America but because his knives are BADASS.

The knives look alike, yet look very very different. Mick, Duane and Ernie have dealt with this where it belongs to be dealt with-PRIVATELY, and for you to post a "story told" is way beneath you and for you to have ended your post with that shot about Ernie's patriotism has tarnished you deeply.................Ira
 
Vinnie,

I dont think anyone here is bringing your service record into this conversation. Other then the fact that you did server over there, for that thank you from the bottom of my heart. I respect the hell out of people that do their service to our nation. As I think anyone else would.

The major problem that I have is, with the way you went about it. I for one have not seen any documentation stating that #1 EKI named the knife for 1st Force Recon. Or #2 That the Recon Mariens were packing the knife. I believe thats where most of the problem is coming from. If you have some link to point us towards, that would show that documentation it would go a long way.

Your convictions be damned, you made a statement about a well respected knife maker, without backing it up. I think that shows zero class. How can you stick to your convictions if all your convictions are, are hearsay without any proof.

IF you can point us in a direction that can show were EKI or any member of that company stated in print, and or provide a "witness" that the knife was carried by that perticular group of Marines then I will appologise, but I dont think you will be able to do that. This is what the major problem with your comments are.

I would like to know who you heard it from that EKI is stating that the knife was carried by the 1st Force.
This is the point, your trying to call Mr. Emerson and crew liars. But how do you do that without stating Mr. John Smithe told me that Emerson is making claims that are untruths. You dont.

Without proof, why make the claims in the firstplace? Unless your only intention in this matter was to thumb your nose in Mr. Emersons face, and deminish his reputation.

Respectfully,
Kyle Eich
 
My friend informed me that this new Emerson knife which was very distatefuly named the Kandahar was used by Marine Force Recon units in Afgahnistan. More specificly the unit that was engaged in the vehicle ambush.
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I will tell you two things. One, no one from that unit or any other unit carried an Emerson Kandahr in Afgahnistan.
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Print this entire thread out and mail it to your "good friend" and ask HIM WTF. This seems to be the only source for your info, so take it up there.







And two I thought Ernie Emerson had a little more honor for his a) Country and b) his fellow knife makers.
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PLEASE :rolleyes: :barf: Just making that comment lowers your class in every way. Regardless of whether it bothers you or not.






In short, like so many have said previously, supply some fact/corroborating evidence to support your claims or kindly pipe down.


Woody
 
Well, this is the quote from the ECA website, the only thing I can find referring to it being carried in Afghanistan...

"This knife is also being featured in a movie that is currently being filmed starring Bruce Willis that was tentatively titled "Man o' War". My good friend and partner Harry Humphries is directing all the action/combat scenes in the movie. Harry, US Navy SEAL (Ret), directed all the combat footage in Black Hawk Down. I worked for him when I was with Global Studies Group Inc. (GSGI).

"This is probably the finest large fixed blade that I've ever designed. It has great heft, perfect balance and can do some serious damage. There are more than a handful on the ground in Afghansistan as we speak with civilian/military advisors."

I really don't understand how naming it the 'Kandahar' is insulting. There have been numerous items marketed as 9/11 memorial this or that, etc, some that were just outright distateful, but I don't see that here. I think Beretta even issued a memorial series 92, and I have no problem with that. Frankly, I think it helps keep us focused on what is going on and what we are fighting for.
 
I was just looking at that Jensen Elite "Karachi" that I have been trying to trade. I keep staring at the blade shape and it looks LIKE an EMERSON design, a STRIDER design, and about 30 other "tactical Bowie types":confused: :confused: :confused:
 
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Hey, Vinnie, I think that last one is way to close, you better get pissed off at him too for being unpatriotic.
 
Ira, let's not forget that Bastard John Ek (can't really call him un American, I think he was Canadian), who as far back as World War Two stole the idea of a clip point/Bowie style fixed blade and had the balls to use Paracord to wrap some of his handles. He also had the audacity to call this model the "Warrior", a damn near direct rip off of the D9.

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Or Bo Randall, that poser, copied several of the Strider designs, again back to World War Two.

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Even going so far as to name them things like "Guardian", "Attack" (my personal favorite), "All-Purpose Fighting Knife" and military sounding things like that. I'm sure no Military man worth his Salt carried either one of these makers knives or the hundreds of other makers out there.

*Note* This was to show that what is new, is really not that new. Neither the Strider guys or Ernest Emerson invented the knife, Clip points, Bowies, Daggers, Nylon sheaths or cord wrapped handles. Many designs used today, by ALL makers are based on previous makers designs, tried and true.

John
 
Its metal, its sharp, it stired up a shi+storm...

ITS AN EMERSON!!!!!!!

Ok, now that the knife has officialy caused at least one person to have a corenary and someone else to start frothing at the mouth, I'll be intrested in getting one.

hope its got a decent kydex sheath.

Now, iF the new folders could piss off enough people, I would forgive EE for not waving it.

LET THE FLAME WARS BEGIN...:eek: :eek: :eek: :cool:
 
I'm fairly new to high quality knives and don't even have my first Emerson in hand yet. But if my opinion counts for anything I don't think the two knives resemble each other at all. The only similarity is the basic blade design, which is a fairly common design. As far as the rest of the two knives go, there are no similarities whatsoever, so I don't see how anybody could even begin to consider one as a copy of the other.
 
Vinnie,
If your friend told you inaccurate information then why don't you jump on his ass with both feet instead of posting here.
After all, that story came from your friend and NOT from Emerson Knives OR this forum.
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Aside from that it seems that you don't care for the name of the Emerson Knife. You feel that its unpatriotic and exploits the soldiers who faught there...OK your entitled to your opinion but so am I and I think that you are really reaching with this. If I didn't know better I'd say you were looking for a beef. Again, if I didn't know better...
 
Oh Yeah I almost forgot the best part!
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You also think that the Emerson Knife is nearly an "exact" copy of the D-9. Do you mean the same D-9 that is a clip point blade which is probably the most common American combat blade pattern of the past 125 years?
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Lets do this,
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Features in common:
1.Clip point blade pattern.

Features NOT in common:
1.The grinds.
2. Choils.
3. Guards.
3. Handles.
4. Spines.
5.Handle materials
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Your right, other than this they are almost EXACTLY the same!
 
Vinnie, normally I am on your side, but you are flat wrong on this one. I am close to both Ernie and the Strider guys. This whole thing has been sort of a running laugh between the two that started when the MOVIE PEOPLE and not Ernie put the Kandahar in a M-9 sheath. Ernie was doing sculpted G-10 a very long time ago. Ernie has NEVER claimed that these were in use with Force Recon. They are in fact in use in Afghanistan. I am surprised that you would start this over a "friend told me". Give me a break. I feel bad that I have been stirring the pot with both Ernie and Duane, but it was in good fun between friends. This stuff is hurtful and in all honesty you owe Ernie and apology for posting rumors like this is a third grade classroom. I understand your Strider loyalty, and your loyalty to the USMC, but you have done both a dis-service on this particular issue.
 
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