another bark river grasso bolo 2 fail

[Polamalu]

I don't know where that comes from?

Is that based on personal experience?



Being you are the OP in this thread,is that you in the video you posted?


If not, what's your stake in this thread?




Big Mike

I never said the video was mine.


i have a grasso bolo 3 and the first time i used it the factory edge rolled along the edge so i re-grounded it to a thicker edge and i mean thick. i've been babying it until yesterday i did some abuse (chopped a tree down) and what do you know i got some rollings and nicks.

that type of thing has never happened on my SYKCO 911, the blade just got dull but no visible rolling. mind you SR101 (52100) is slightly less tough than 5160

 

[PharaohX3]

Well heres another Barkie fail thread. These pop up constantly, more than any other brand that I'm aware of(even Gerber gets bagged on less!). I just had a thread of my own in GB&U about a similar fail. I used to be one of the people that would rush to the defense of BRKT and Mike Stewart but now those people just make me laugh.

I mean, do these people honestly think everyone just arbitrarily picking on BRKT?? Seriously, this amount of complaints, ranging from customer service issues to manufacturing issues to Mike Stewart himself, happening over and over, year after year and still they make excuses. Everyone else is wrong, and they are always right. If you want to stand by your brand be my guest, just dont insult everyones intelligence by making up these hair-brained excuses.

 

[Mikael W]

I never said the video was mine.


i have a grasso bolo 3 and the first time i used it the factory edge rolled along the edge so i re-grounded it to a thicker edge and i mean thick. i've been babying it until yesterday i did some abuse (chopped a tree down) and what do you know i got some rollings and nicks.

that type of thing has never happened on my SYKCO 911, the blade just got dull but no visible rolling. mind you SR101 (52100) is slightly less tough than 5160

Polamalu, You don't happen to have pic's of Your GB III after the reprofiling?

I have showed the pic's of my Bark River made Scagel Large Bowie before, but they still seems relevant.
They show chopping and batoning of frozen 4" Maple and there was a small knot inside, but the knife came through it all with no rolls or chips!

Maybe I have just been lucky in getting this knife, but it's truly an impressive performer in a compact format!


Regards
Mikael

 

[Big Mike]

I never said the video was mine.


i have a grasso bolo 3 and the first time i used it the factory edge rolled along the edge so i re-grounded it to a thicker edge and i mean thick. i've been babying it until yesterday i did some abuse (chopped a tree down) and what do you know i got some rollings and nicks.

that type of thing has never happened on my SYKCO 911, the blade just got dull but no visible rolling. mind you SR101 (52100) is slightly less tough than 5160

You admit to abusing a GB-III and get some rolling in the edge.

The fellow in the Video buries the blade in a knot and gets a chip.

In the OP you cry "Bad HT".


Is your Bolo too soft?


Is the one in the Video too hard?


What do you think is wrong with the Heat Treatment?


In my experience, a blade that deforms under certain types of abuse, and chips with other types, has a good balance of toughness/hardness.

Were some of these edge too thin for the tasks at hand?, no doubt.

Does that mean a Heat Treatment problem?, not in my experience.


I suspect the only reason you started this thread is to stir-up trouble.




Big Mike

 

[Karda]

Well heres another Barkie fail thread. These pop up constantly, more than any other brand that I'm aware of(even Gerber gets bagged on less!). I just had a thread of my own in GB&U about a similar fail. I used to be one of the people that would rush to the defense of BRKT and Mike Stewart but now those people just make me laugh.

I mean, do these people honestly think everyone just arbitrarily picking on BRKT?? Seriously, this amount of complaints, ranging from customer service issues to manufacturing issues to Mike Stewart himself, happening over and over, year after year and still they make excuses. Everyone else is wrong, and they are always right. If you want to stand by your brand be my guest, just dont insult everyones intelligence by making up these hair-brained excuses.

Borderline trolling.

What I find amusing is that a few people in these type threads claiming heat treat problems and such have not made a knife, know very little about heat treating or tempering, know little about grinds or sharpening and are known to abuse their knives. Yet they are expert failure analysts.
What ever your feeling is about Mr. Stewart and/or his practices, his explanation about lateral stresses on the blade edge and technique during chopping does hold some water.

To some others here. This is not the opportunity to plug your favorite brand.

 

[Mikael W]

Well heres another Barkie fail thread. These pop up constantly, more than any other brand that I'm aware of(even Gerber gets bagged on less!). I just had a thread of my own in GB&U about a similar fail. I used to be one of the people that would rush to the defense of BRKT and Mike Stewart but now those people just make me laugh.

I mean, do these people honestly think everyone just arbitrarily picking on BRKT?? Seriously, this amount of complaints, ranging from customer service issues to manufacturing issues to Mike Stewart himself, happening over and over, year after year and still they make excuses. Everyone else is wrong, and they are always right. If you want to stand by your brand be my guest, just dont insult everyones intelligence by making up these hair-brained excuses.

As I have showed in earlier threads I do have similiar experiences as You have had with the newest of Your Goloks.
I understand Your frustration, but I don't feel the same as I had the Golok fixed under Warranty.
For me the Golok is a tool and as long as it works like that, I will use it as a tool.

The other knife that chipped due to wrong technique with a thin edge, I managed to reground myself by looking at the Golok.
The third wasn't that badly damaged and has got the edge set a little bit thicker, without loosing bladeheight.

In my experience I have seen no damages to edges that are fairly thick, but when they get thin, they see more of rolling and chipping.
This doesn't mean that a thick edge is safe from damages, as big knives also put more demand on the users skill and judgement.


Regards
Mikael

 

[Polamalu]

You admit to abusing a GB-III and get some rolling in the edge.

The fellow in the Video buries the blade in a knot and gets a chip.

In the OP you cry "Bad HT".


Is your Bolo too soft?


Is the one in the Video too hard?


What do you think is wrong with the Heat Treatment?


In my experience, a blade that deforms under certain types of abuse, and chips with other types, has a good balance of toughness/hardness.

Were some of these edge too thin for the tasks at hand?, no doubt.

Does that mean a Heat Treatment problem?, not in my experience.


I suspect the only reason you started this thread is to stir-up trouble.




Big Mike

Ah ! How many free knives have you gotten for brkt to defend them to the bone? Do you feel obligated by that?

A good HT with a proper grinded chopper will not fail on easy tests. It seems that every issue about brkt are just easy tests

 

[PharaohX3]

Borderline trolling.

Oh? How so? Bark River is a freakin lemon man, I bet 75% of BF will agree. I recently got burned by BRKT so I decided to weigh in here. Theres no need to start insulting people by calling them "trolls". Just because you qualified it as "borderline" doesnt make it less of an insult.

What I find amusing is that a few people in these type threads claiming heat treat problems and such have not made a knife, know very little about heat treating or tempering, know little about grinds or sharpening and are known to abuse their knives. Yet they are expert failure analysts.

Really? Do you know these people personally or are you just making assumptions? Who are you to say who does and doesnt have knowledge about knife making, Ht's and grinds or even who's "abusing" their knives? This sounds like more excuse making to me and only further proves my original point which you called "trolling".

 

[Bigfattyt]

I have chopped the crap out of wood. Fat wood so hard it would bounce my maul 10-15 times before getting even a crack started. I then chopped the crap out of it with a thinned out edge on a Busse FBMLE.

In that chopping session, I later chopped a small stone in half by accident. NO chips, just a dull spot I steeled for a few minutes and then hit with a few licks per side.

I have chopped knotted hard wood so hard that it rang my knife like a bell, and took me forever to get through.

Unsupported chopping? Is there any other kind, outside a controlled, clamped board?

In all my life, chopping "unsupported". I have never had a bad edge roll or chip. Twisting, turning, moving. Kotts.

Steel ranging from unknown mystery steel, medium carbon 1075, 1055, 1095, 5160, VG1, 440, INFI, and a lot I have no Idea what they are even made of.

Chop, baton, pry, torque, bad form, missed targets, knots, stones, concrete, hidden metal fence post, and a pipe.


That massive 1/2 moon chip means something was wrong with the geometry or the heat treat, or both.


They will "warranty" it, meaning they will grind the blade down to a nub to get beyond that chip and send it back to you.

Chopping a 2x4, and hitting knots should be the starting point for any chopper as base line easy tasks. If they cannot handle a life time of that with just simple dulling or a tiny bit of minimal edge deformation, then the knife is not a chopper, it is a slicer, or kitchen knife.

Apparently, the Grasso Bolo is meant for looking shiny, and trimming thin, supported vegetation in careful moderation. Tall grass, Tulips, and Dasies are ok. Rose bushes are a no no. No chopping of any wood, unless it is supported, clamped and flat cross grain cutting of the finest Balsam wood.


It is a re-occuring issue, and people will come down on either side. I know where I stand.