Another cracked blade

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Again- Nitro-V. This one has been finished since last week. It's for an employee of mine. I was going to ship it today. I've been using it for the last week on a daily basis. I just went to get it off my knife rack and this! I'm not happy...IMG_20180515_112224841.jpg IMG_20180515_112222065.jpg
 
I think I'm just going to disappear the one bar I have.
 
Have we seen any steel that has a track record of cracking like Nitro V?
 
Damn. I will have to keep an eye out on what i have left. They need to figure that stuff out. Seems like a steel problem.
 
Ive had two similar cracks like that lately but it was in xhp steel....did you do the heat treat yourself?
 
The front of this blade was under a lot of tension and accumulating with age, eventually cracked. I highlighted - your ht process - with possible causes for tension and perhaps changes which might help

1725- 20 minutes, plate quench. Ramped oven to 1975. *2*Inserted blades *1* once oven stabilized. Once oven got back to 1975- *3*12 minutes. *4*Plate quench to too temp, *5* straight into DI bath for 20 minutes. Tempered at 325- for two 1 hour cycles. RC was 61-62 at completion

*1* - Although TC seem to stabilized at 1975, it takes at least 30 minutes heat up fire-bricks to 1975F at 5-10F delta. So temperature gradient between front & back of chamber is easily exceed 50F.
Try: ramp9999 to 2050 hold 30 minutes; ramp9999 1975F then *2*​

*2* - Back of chamber always hotter than TC 1975. Guessing your blades were inserted tip-in.
Try: Insert blades tang-in first = ok to compromise tang (full thickness) to over heating
*3* - 12minutes is fine for tip-in but.
Try: soak 15-20 minutes to assure blades tip are close to 1975F/10-12m soak​

*4* - Fine but nitrov has N & some small% alloy elems so M% is lower than aebl at room temp.
Try: after remove from plates, hang in air for 5 minutes - giving a bit more time for martensite conversion *gripe about it if any stabilized aust bug you.
*5* - Try: slowly (~1 minute) dip blade into DI with spine down, tang first at 45 degrees angle and slowly lower angle to zero (submerge). Basically lower the thermal and transformation shock.

*6* - speculation: aging (sat around for a week in block) lead to cracked may indicate that some aust to mart conversion occured = brittle mart initiated fracture/crack at edge.
Try: 350F temper, of course will lower hrc by ~1​

Nitro-V is just a little bit less ht forgiving than aebl. In my limited experience: bcmw ht 63 & 65rc nitro-v blades performed similar to aebl at same hrc. btw - my ht doesn't do pre-harden 17xxF quench.
 
What was the final Rc?

My suspicion is too hard and not enough tempering time. Internal stress is still high and the steel pulls itself apart along any line that forms.

I would grab the break from the edge with pliers and snap the semicircular piece out. That will complete the break along the lines it is growing along. Then I would snap off the tip and re-grind the blade into a shorter petty.

I would send the broken pieces to Larrin for metallurgical testing and micrography. Maybe he can see what is happening.
 
The front of this blade was under a lot of tension and accumulating with age, eventually cracked. I highlighted - your ht process - with possible causes for tension and perhaps changes which might help

1725- 20 minutes, plate quench. Ramped oven to 1975. *2*Inserted blades *1* once oven stabilized. Once oven got back to 1975- *3*12 minutes. *4*Plate quench to too temp, *5* straight into DI bath for 20 minutes. Tempered at 325- for two 1 hour cycles. RC was 61-62 at completion

*1* - Although TC seem to stabilized at 1975, it takes at least 30 minutes heat up fire-bricks to 1975F at 5-10F delta. So temperature gradient between front & back of chamber is easily exceed 50F.
Try: ramp9999 to 2050 hold 30 minutes; ramp9999 1975F then *2*​

*2* - Back of chamber always hotter than TC 1975. Guessing your blades were inserted tip-in.
Try: Insert blades tang-in first = ok to compromise tang (full thickness) to over heating
*3* - 12minutes is fine for tip-in but.
Try: soak 15-20 minutes to assure blades tip are close to 1975F/10-12m soak​

*4* - Fine but nitrov has N & some small% alloy elems so M% is lower than aebl at room temp.
Try: after remove from plates, hang in air for 5 minutes - giving a bit more time for martensite conversion *gripe about it if any stabilized aust bug you.
*5* - Try: slowly (~1 minute) dip blade into DI with spine down, tang first at 45 degrees angle and slowly lower angle to zero (submerge). Basically lower the thermal and transformation shock.

*6* - speculation: aging (sat around for a week in block) lead to cracked may indicate that some aust to mart conversion occured = brittle mart initiated fracture/crack at edge.
Try: 350F temper, of course will lower hrc by ~1​

Nitro-V is just a little bit less ht forgiving than aebl. In my limited experience: bcmw ht 63 & 65rc nitro-v blades performed similar to aebl at same hrc. btw - my ht doesn't do pre-harden 17xxF quench.

Thanks for all the feedback. I can most likely try most of this without any real negative impact.

Regarding

*1- I don't put blades in when it first shows 1975, but only once it is sitting at that temp without any real swings in temperature. This occurs about 20-30 minutes after the oven hits 1975 for the first time. I assume that the temperature holds consistently once the bricks are fully soaked.

*6- The heat treated blank sat on my bench fore 2-3 weeks before I finished it.
 
What was the final Rc?

My suspicion is too hard and not enough tempering time. Internal stress is still high and the steel pulls itself apart along any line that forms.

I would grab the break from the edge with pliers and snap the semicircular piece out. That will complete the break along the lines it is growing along. Then I would snap off the tip and re-grind the blade into a shorter petty.

I would send the broken pieces to Larrin for metallurgical testing and micrography. Maybe he can see what is happening.

Final RC was 61.5
I tempered for two 1 hour cycles, water cooled between tempers.
 
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