Another Honor Student Suspended for knife in her car.

Jeff Clark

Jeff Clark

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Here we go again folks. You probably remember the thread from November when an honor student was suspended from Mitchell HS in Colorado Springs for having a small SAK in her glove compartment. Well they've done it to another. Heather Regan was suspended Tuesday when a school security guard spotted a steak knife in her car. They pulled her out of her honors physics class to suspend her. She works in a steak house and borrowed the knife to work on a sticky hood latch. It was sitting in plain sight in her car. It is also rumoured that she had scissors as well as the round-nosed tableware.

The head of school district eleven's security said: "The violation is pretty clear, and my goodness, certainly students at Mitchell High School ought to know that knives are not appropriate things to have at school....Zero tolerance means zero tolerance".

I'd comment about this now, but I'm likely to punch out my monitor if I start to think about it too hard.

My take is, this is the kind of girl I'd like my son to marry.




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What a shame about this hysteria ... and to a female honors physics student who's working to make money! I agree, she's a rare person several times over, and the kind of gal my kids should be fortunate to know.

I wonder what'll come next, strip searches as you leave the cafeteria (to confiscate the deadly knives and forks) or whether they'll just make 'em eat with their fingers.

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Im with you man, i get pissed off too. I carry my SAk & BM everywhere i go, regardless of the law. I wish it wasnt this way. I wish people would see knives as tools instead of weapons. Unfortunately the vast majority of people dont see things the way we do. Alas, i must get my mind off the subject before i get too worked up.
Andrew
 
I hear you. Not much gets me going but a comment like that from the "head of security" is quite stupid. (i'm trying to be nice and keep my cool.) I would love to see that guy go for a year not being able to use any knives at all. Maybe then he will understand the importance of knives, when he has to tear his steak in half with his hands. I'm sure as soon as the girl got out of her honors class she was going straight to her car to get the knife and then stab someone with it. Give me a break. I'm just glad I dont have to put up with such an anti- knife person. I don't know if we would get along to well. Take care!!
 
Sounds like a job for AKTI! Isn't the Spyderco Headquarters in that neck of the woods? Do you have any contact information for the School? Is a letter writing campaign in order? Lets do something about all this!

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James Segura
San Francisco, CA
 
My son attends a HS up in the Air Force Academy district where the administration is less hysterical, but recently they were reminded of "the rules". On occasion he has lent his multitool to his teachers, other times he has used it while helping to set up school computers. Now we need to get him a politically correct tool. I guess we'll take a multitool and clip off the knife blade.
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Guys, I hate to come off llike the bad guy, but she usedthe knife to pry... she should be suspended!
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I agree with the majority, the School District needs to reevaluate their policy, zero tolerance is not the American way. According to the law, a person is innocent until proven guilty. Of course with the NEA chipping away at the Constitution, that might change.
 
If you felt like being vocal--

Colorado Springs School District 11
1115 N. El Paso St.
Colorado Springs, CO 80903

Superintendent 719-520-2001
Board of Educ. 719-520-2004
Security 719-520-2287

District web page:
http://www.cssd11.k12.co.us/

Mitchell HS
1205 Potter Dr.
Colorado Springs, CO 80909

general: 719-520-2700

 
I don't think you guys get it. the guy is right zero tolerence is zero tolerance! It's not zero tolerance.. unless you get good grades and/or we like your excuse.

Getting upset at the guy is not going to do anything. I am pretty sure HE did not make the rule in fact he probably thinks its as dumb as you do. Perhaps if we did not have some of these kids killing their fellow students then they would have never made these regulations.

Personally I am all for kids carrying whatever weapons they want to school... as long as they never use them.
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Later,
John

P.S. I could be wrong but wasn't one of the killers at Columbine an honor student?

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Skeleton walks into a bar and and says "give me a beer and a mop."
 
It would be one thing to be running down the halls of the school frantically waving the knife around or slashing at people, but this knife was in her car in plain site. She obviously wasn't going to use it to harm anyone, rules are good but they are getting so carried away with the letter of the law they have lost sight of what it is really important. Nobody wants school childern or anyone for that matter hurt but this is getting carried away.
 
Let's make all of our kids neurotic and paranoid, rather than deal with a few bad seeds (and their parents) with swift and just punishment. This zero tolerance crap is just that crap. You can't have a small SAK, but a protractor, with a nasty sharp spike, is standard issue.

Bad parents should be jailed, not the entire school population.

Brandon

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"You should never never doubt what nobody is sure about..."
 
A round-nosed steak knife is not a "weapon" it is tableware. It is no bigger threat than knives and forks in the cafeteria. Out in the car it is less a threat. In my car I have many dangerous tools, a shovel, a hammer, a chisel, snow chains, some highway flares, and several kitchen knives. I bought the kitchen knives to use in the kitchen at the downtown homeless shelter. It is entirely appropriate for me to have these things in my car. It is entirely appropriate for my son to drive my car to school. "Zero tolerance" has to relate to some type of activity or out of place weaponry. Household tools shouldn't apply unless they are at least removed from the car or brandished in a threatening manner.

Baseball bats, bicycle chains, and sharpened pencils are "tolerated" in their places. The most dangerous things in that parking lot were the cars themselves. If you became suddenly derranged you could snap and run over a dozen students. What's worse, I hear that cars come with huge tanks filled with a dangerous incendiary liquid called gasoline. Let's ban cars from school parking lots.


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Jeff, thanks for the info. On the website there is a link for comments to the school board, and I have sent them a message containing my thoughts on the matter.

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James Segura
San Francisco, CA
 
fyi I playaround with office eupiment throwing straightend paper clips through boxes, so whats next outlawing paper clips, pens, pencils ( know of a girl who stabbed someone with one once) anmd watch out for those paper cuts nasty.
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I think X39 has it about right. On the other hand, someone has to play devil's advocate here. If we let her get away with it, at what point do we draw the line? My XL Voyager? I took my bowie camping this weekend, and forgot to take it outta my car!
I don't know. In a way, I wish I could make the decisions. If so, I probably wouldn't be in charge of it very long.

Howie
 
Zero Tolerance = Zero Inteligence!!!
I think it's just a cop-out for the school people so they don't have to use their brains!
My daughter was doing PE, playing teatherball, and another student, standing near, told her "If that ball hits me you're mine" my daughter say " yeah, right" thinking she's kidding. The girl starts calling my daughter a b----, and threatening her. My daughter tried to ignore her, but it just got worse. So she stopped playing and stepped up to her and the fight was on. When they were seperated the other girl had a black-eye, bloody nose and split lip; my daughter was unmarked.
They suspended my daughter for 3 days saying we have a ZERO TOLERANCE policy on fighting. I went and raised HELL! The other girl got the same punishment, and this was at least the second fight she had started this year.
What made me angry was that the profanity and threats that the other girl used to provoke my daughter were also against the rules, but they tolerate that and don't punish people for doing it.
After four trips to school and a whole day wasted, the suspension was removed and nothing will go on my daughter's record. But what about the parents that won't or don't have the time to stand up to the system? Their kids get steam-rollered all the time!!
OK you got me going.... Now I'm MAD again!
 
If it isn't a firearm, it just isn't such a hazardous object that you need regulations about having it in the car. A machete is just fine in the car. It is not substantially more hazardous than a baseball bat. You can't carry it on your person on the premises.

It would probably be a more effective safety measure to ban all football players from the premises than to ban edged objects from cars. It is common for oversized bullys to hit or push students it is extremely unusual for students to run out to cars to get knives. The real issue locally has been with drive-by shootings. We don't need to punish girls in honors physics to prevent non-existant drive-by knifings.
 
I'm driiving a 93' F250 to school on occasion that has 70,000 strictly hauling and getting the hell beat out of it miles on it. It runs well and probably has another 100,000 top go but there is the chance that something is going to go wrong. On top of that it has a fuel pump shut off switch designed to pop every time it gets bumped significantly. To reset it you have to take the panel off the wall.Easy to do, but not without a screwdriver. Given the way the other people at my school drive (no common sense at all, lets see how fast we can go with all these people and cars around) I keep a gerber multi tool in the glove box. No I am not going to go anywhere without it. If they find it, something is wrong because that would mean they've been digging around in my truck. If I get in trouble for it we are going to court. Theres no reason for it to be a problem.Zero tolerance is ridiculous. Everything on earth is turning into a weapon in the eyes of the sheeple.I've thought about getting one of the new build your own Gerbers without blades, but I'd probably get in trouble for that. No I don't think that switchblades should be allowed in school. But why can't there be a knife locked in your car in the parking lot?

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Fix it right the first time, use Baling Wire !
 
No I don't think that switchblades should be allowed in school.
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I diddn't own any machine guns either.

Too late now.
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Later,
John

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Skeleton walks into a bar and and says "give me a beer and a mop."

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