Another Survival Gun Alternative.

I'd just go with one of the Rossi Matched Pairs in .22 and .410 (or 20 Ga.). Sleeving a shotgun barrel, leaves a lot to be answered. How do you adjust it to hit POA/POI with only the bead sight on a shotgun? You can get the Rossi combo kit for $130 delivered from Bud's, it's kind of hard to beat. Especially no more service than the gun will likely see.

If you have a dicks sporting goods close , they have them in 22/20ga or 22/410 youth model for $119 with a $20 mail in rebate
I chose the 410 /22 because the barrel diameter was smaller than on the 20/22 set making it lighter
If anyone has a M6 Scout in .22 long rifle / .410 and they have a Doc that will do it, I'm offering up a right testicle
I have one gave $185 out the door for it new . I don't think I want to sell it , and I am definately not interested in your right testicle :(

I have a tamer twenty I didnt care for the stocks so I changed them to a choate synthetic shotgun butt stock and a choate survivor fore arm mine is wicked with brenneke 1 oz slugs at 50 yards.

I did use the tamer stock set on a 410 I put together out of parts from my junk box
Roy
 
Hey Mistwalker,

Please post some pictures of the insert when you get it. You know what a picture is worth.
 
As I have said before. I like my savage 24C Camper. 22 long on top. 20 ga on bottom. Not much I can't do with that except rapid fire.
 
Great, just great. Now I have yet another combo gun to add to my wish list along with the Rossi, Marble Game Getter and now a CZ. Luckily, my discretionary funds are so limited it will be years before my wife can question me about the necessity for these necessities!:)
 
I hunt extensively with my M6 in .22H over a .410, not because it is so easy to get game with small calibers and awkward, industrial looking guns, but because it is so challenging (I need sporting, fair chase, etc. in a hunt).

If you are actually trying to survive, and a missed shot means starvation, you prolly don't want this gun. I consider it a very interesting (almost a toy) object for expert shots who are bored with the ease of getting animals, with the regular, highly effective hunting weapons. This gun is for enthusiasts who will practice a lot, not desperate, ordinary people who are up against it.

To me, Survival with a capital S means that you are "not playing" anymore, and want every edible animal within eyesight, dead, and stuffed into your daypack. Failure could mean starvation and death, for you and yours. For small game and birds, this means a 12 gauge that is fitted to you, firing a premium 1 oz of 6's (for me). Small game rifle shooters might have a highly accurate .22 with d@mn good glass. Big game shooters would probably have a scoped .308, again wearing good glass. And a good laser range finder.

To go along with this (Survival), you should further stop beating around the bush and get professional instruction in rifle and shotgun shooting. Then, burn up tons of ammo in focused marksmanship training. Follow this up with unknown distance/ bad shooting stance practice on paper targets under time pressures. This will begin to simulate the difficulties of actual marksmanship problems one encounters in the hunting fields.

Paper doesn't lie. If you can't group well on paper, how will you hunt successfully? Not consistently well, that's how.

Go hunting with the conventional, accepted hunting weapons of your geographical region. Then, go hunting with the funky little survival weapons we all like, and then tell me which one you hunt better with.
:)
 
I have one gave $185 out the door for it new . I don't think I want to sell it , and I am definately not interested in your right testicle :(

Roy

Roy,

Oh, I am sorry about that. I can't say as I blame you, however, as it has been extensively used and is probably worn out. :D
 
Originally posted by "W".

"New marbles gamegetter, I got this off of Marble's website.

Marble Arms ® 3rd Generation Game Getter Gun

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Game-Getter Gun Update (October 2009)

The gun industry is still moving strong which means we are manufacturing a lot of gun sights. Our commitment to our gun sight customers has taken up every person and hour we have for machining, research and development of new products. This positive impact on our gun sight business has delayed the development of the Game-Getter Gun. We continue to move forward with the project but it is not at the pace that we originally projected.

With all this said, we are pushing out the introduction of the new Game-Getter to the 2010 Shot Show that will be held in Las Vegas on January 16th, 2010. We will continue to compile an updated list on our website so everyone will be contacted when orders are ready to be taken.

The new Game-Getter Gun will have an adjustable folding rear sight, windage adjustable rear sight, holster, and will be delivered in a wood box replicating the original. When we start accepting orders for the guns in 2010. We will be requesting a 50% deposit and at that time you will be given your serial number.

I appreciate all of your interest and your patience. We want to insure this gun is made to the same level of quality Marble's has been respected for the last 116 years.

Thank you,

Craig Lauerman,

President Marble Arms
"

I looked at the Gamegetter that was on display at the SHOT show. Although it was a neat looking rifle I can't imagine it was actually intended for anything other than collectors. I was told that the MSRP is going to be "around $2000".

Too rich for my blood.

SDS
 
Valcas..h&r make a model that is called the survivor I think... It has the same stock as the tamer above.. but has a .410 barrel with a screw in choke, that also chambers .45 lc
That seems to me like a handy little set up.

Incidentally the .22 Hornet packs significanlty more wallop than a .22 lr.. it is arguably suitable for deer size game (although I would not advise it) but it is legal to do so here in NY


I did not find the shotgun your talking about on H&R's web site but the barrel accessory program will fit a 20" 45lc/410 barrel to a sb1 shot gun or a sb2 rifle.
 
I just put the "Tamer" whatever you call it stock on a NEF 20ga I have...it's a good lightweight package and I'd like to try one of the MCACE sub-caliber adapters (probably get the .38 SPL version).

I recently aquired a long sought after Savage model 24 Camper with 18" barrels in .22LR and 20ga...a very handly little rifle!

Oh, and I'm holding onto my M6 Don...I don't have need of testicle anymore...my wife would just take that one away to:o

ROCK6
 
Riley,

H&R states that the 410/45lc barrel is rifled. I wonder what that does to the shot string with such a small capacity of shot. I would imagine it spins the shot cup/ wad and you lose your pattern pretty quickly. Have you heard anything about that?

It sure would make the ulimate little game getter if you could have the 410./ 45lc and a 16" 22 hornet insert in that gun.

That is somethng to ponder as well. the 45lc is not slouch with hand loads from what i have heard.

Paul
I have read that rifeling does cause your shot to spread out very quickly. For instance the Taurus Judge which shoots 410/45lc is rifled and they say the shot will spread out a lot within a few feet of the barrel due to the rifiling.
 
Erasmus,

I agree with you. In a survival situation you do not want to miss a shot. I have an M6 22LR/410 and it's fun to carry walking through the woods. If I want a survival rifle I will bring my scoped 22 LR. I can carry lots of ammo and anything less than 70 yards is dead with each shot.

Geoff
 
Paul,

I've researched the mcace adapters pretty throughly.. Most people love them and claim they are accurate.. However the .22 conversion requires the firng pin to strike a metal plate whcih transfers the force to the rim of the .22.. some times this can lead to broken firing pins.. might be advisable to go for a center fire option instead.. (although personally I love the .22) perhaps a .22 hornet (that they offer) might be better on the firing pin.

If I was going to do the conversion insert (and I'm considering it for the brush 12ga) I'd personally go with a .38 special. It's not terribly expensive and is easy to reload.

But, well- I never have really seen the need for a .22 with a .410- if you've got the sights a .410 slug is fine for anything heavier, but #4 shot will do you fine at most ranges you are likely to be hunting small game. I confess I haven't shot an M6 for 50-75 yard .22 accuracy, though.
 
What are realistic distances one should expect? I would think 50-75 ft max for small game. I still think a .22 rimfire revolver in the pack, like one of my S&Ws - a 4" x10 617 or a 5" x8 63 - would be a better choice. I can certainly hit minute-of-squirrel/grouse handheld at 25yd with either. I generally carry a pocketed lite weight snubby .44 Special for two-legged predators when woods-stomping. It wouldn't, hopefully, need much ammo for it - I could carry a lot more rimfire then. I just don't see the utility of a .410. What am I missing? I could 'use what I have' instead of adding a new firearm/caliber.

Stainz
 
What are realistic distances one should expect? I would think 50-75 ft max for small game. I still think a .22 rimfire revolver in the pack, like one of my S&Ws - a 4" x10 617 or a 5" x8 63 - would be a better choice. I can certainly hit minute-of-squirrel/grouse handheld at 25yd with either. I generally carry a pocketed lite weight snubby .44 Special for two-legged predators when woods-stomping. It wouldn't, hopefully, need much ammo for it - I could carry a lot more rimfire then. I just don't see the utility of a .410. What am I missing? I could 'use what I have' instead of adding a new firearm/caliber.

Stainz

I kind of like the diminutive .410 and that's based on just getting out and seeing what it can do (out of my M6 Scout). I've tried various slugs and get horrible results...nothing I'd try beyond 10-15 yards and that's just not acceptable for me. I do have the .22LR zeroed in at 25 yards and could extend minute-of-rabbit out to 40-50 yards. With the same optic (Trijicon Reflex), I get very acceptable patterns for #4, #6 and 000 Buck out to 25 yards.

What I like about the M6 Scout (and now the 24 Savage Camper) is you can stalk with the .22 and quickly transition to the shotshell if your game takes flight. I do agree, it takes some practice and you have to learn how to quietly approach and stalk game to get close enough. I've been able to do it with dove, our resident beavers and geese/ducks in the back of our property. The .410 isn't for everybody, and I personally think the 20ga is a better choice but there are few choices of combo guns on the market and most are expensive out-of-production models. The .410 is a good tool to have in the kit bag; the shells are a little expensive, but it's an effective small-game round (for me) out to 25 yards.

ROCK6
 
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