Another unpleasant experience with 007 Agent Zzero

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Maybe you've read this post, http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=421546&highlight=hhfsh. Now here is my unpleasant experience with 007 Agent Zzero, and it's the first time I got really frustrated by a BF member. It's a long story so I thank you all for your patience.

007 Agent Zzero wanted to sell or trade his HHFS (http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=422377&highlight=hhfsh). So I emailed him for trade offers. He asked my Satin Mole Jack set + $X for his HHFSH set while I wanted SJ + $Y. After bargaining, I said

"here's my final offer, $Z + Mole Jack for your HHFSH set or $XX + Mole Jack for HHFSH without sheath. Otherwise I'll pass."

19 minutes later, he replied,

"Fine, deal. Paypal the dough +4% to ..., or send a MO with the Mole Jack."

The time was 12:35 pm, 09/08. Then I confirmed

"...So your agreement is $Z + Mole/sheath instead of $50+Mole/sheath?".

He said

"Yup, My knife/sheath for your knife/sheath +$Z".

(X>Z>Y) So I was happy because I thought we finally made a deal. I was hesitant to decide whether to use paypal or MO, so I asked him some questions like

"...I know paypal will charge people 3% for receiving money from CC. But I'm going to use my bank account. Will 3% still be charged?..."

Then, the dramatical change happened. He said,

"I am not sure, this has turned into a huge hassle bro. I need some time to re-evaluate this whole thing. I will get back in touch with you on Monday, until then lets just put this on hold..."

I was confused. We had reached an agreement and I didn't behave as if I wouldn't be committed to it. All I asked about are the payment details. Why re-evaluate? I thought maybe I should make up my mind about the payment method ASSP. So I emailed him immediately,

"Chris, sorry for the hassle. You know the buyer always want to pay less... Just to let you know, I decide to paypal you. Let me know when you're ready. Thanks man and nice weekend."

Then at 5:53 am (PST), Saturday, he replied,

"Ok man lets do this, send me the paypal and try to get the Mole Jack/sheath out in the mail today. I will pack up the HH and ship as soon as I get your stuff..."

I of course was asleep at that time. And when I was awake and checked my emails, I found he sent me another email at 7:24 am,

"Actually I am beginning to think that I should keep the HH. As planned I will get back to you on Monday with a final answer. Thanks for your patience."

I got surprised. Why did he change his mind once and again without committed to our previous agreement? So I replied,

"Come on man, we made a deal, did we. Why will you change your mind? Give me a reply and I'll paypal you at once. Sorry about all the hassles."

Then he answered,

"Just don't feel like I should hastily sell my HH. It is valuable and I don't really need the money right now. I will get back to you on Monday with a final answer but right now I don't think I will sell it."

Hey, who said in another post that he needed money to pay the tuition bill? And why would he post in the for sale forum if he didn't want to sell it? I was kind of angry, so I emailed,

" I just found this post.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=421546. Interesting... I'll wait for your decision."

Then his word,

"...I'm not understanding what decision you feel I have to make? I will get back to you on Monday, if you don't feel comfortable dealing with me then back out. I have had plenty of praise from BF members to worry about one knife collector I pissed off..."

Then I replied,

"At first you said you'd make this deal with me. Is that a decision? Then I discussed with you about the payment details. And later I told you I could pay you at once but you said you needed to reconsider the whole thing. I just don't understand why you took back your word on a deal. I thought we had reached an agreement and I'll keep my word to this deal, no reconsideration..."

And his reply,

"...No worries, just a very valuable knife to me and a deal I believe I should really consider. ... I know you understand my position as you stand to gain a lot more than I... Whatever transpires I think that overall this has been a pleasant endeavor and I hope you will be satisfied with whatever outcome I decide..."

Maybe I gained more than he, but a deal is a deal no matter who will get more, isn't it? From his word, I found highly probability that he would void the deal. And, unsurprisingly, I received his decision today,

"you sell your Mole Jack and get back in touch with me when you have the $495. If it is worth what you think, or more, the HH could be cheaper for you. Who knows maybe you could find a buyer for around $400 on the Mole Jack. Let me know when you have the money :)"

What a sweet guy! He even sent me a smile.

007 Agent Zzero, if you don't want to trade your knife to me, why did you make that deal with me at first? I won't say a word if he didn't say "deal" to my offer. But actually he has said it for several times. (I marked his agreement in red) 007 Agent Zzero, do you really think you will gain more by changing your mind, eating your word once and again? I don't know what other members will do after reading my post, but I'm sure I'll never do business with you again.

Thanks for your attention.
 
This is an interesting thread to me since he offered a HH to me around 8pm PST on saturday. Does he have two? We hadn't come to a completed deal but I have been waiting to hear back from him most of the day today. Starting to feel real shady to me :mad:
 
Well, based on the two threads, I get the feeling he is compulsive and then unsure of his decisions.
 
Bill, I just checked his for sale post, the status of the knife is SPF. Maybe he's trying to let us share the knife? :D It seems it's a lie that he kept telling me he would hold his knife until Monday:(

I need some time to re-evaluate this whole thing. I will get back in touch with you on Monday, until then lets just put this on hold. This is his reply around 5:30 pm Saturday.

Since he said "you sell your Mole Jack and get back in touch with me when you have the $495..." I'm very curious what would happen if Bill would make a final deal with him while I have $495 in hand:D

Let's see the result.
 
TOMBSTONE said:
Well, based on the two threads, I get the feeling he is compulsive and then unsure of his decisions.
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Why are you sticking up for him, Tombstone?

We did a deal, and if you were this wishy-washy/ass-like, I would have put you up as a BAD, but that didn't happen because you did the deal straight, and you are a credit to the knife community, and this is twice for 007, in like two weeks.

007 needs to grow up before he continues selling/trading here. Friggin' punk.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
After reading both threads. . . .007 Agent Zzero is a worm.

"Your word is only good as your last transaction." In this case of 007 Agent Zzero, the last two bad transactions.

Real stand up knife knut. :rolleyes:
 
Kohai999 said:
Why are you sticking up for him, Tombstone?

We did a deal, and if you were this wishy-washy/ass-like, I would have put you up as a BAD, but that didn't happen because you did the deal straight, and you are a credit to the knife community, and this is twice for 007, in like two weeks.

007 needs to grow up before he continues selling/trading here. Friggin' punk.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
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I don't know Steve, I'm having difficulty reading that message in my posting.Just calling it as I see it.I didn't suggest his behavior was proper in anyway.It would seem to me with this type of issues he is having,he will be conducting fewing transactions with formites in the future after the news is out.
Thanks for the compliment,it was a pleasure dealing with you also,and your a credit to the knife community as well.
 
dbtsing said:
... I know you understand my position as you stand to gain a lot more than I...
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Given his wavering commitment to the whole endeavor, the line above from 007 seems like a lure to me for trying to see if you'll fork over more cash than was first agreed upon when he said "deal." Plus, he wanted to receive the knife/cash before even mailing out his knife, after he's already agreed and then pulled back?! Unbelieveable.

I think Tombstone is right though, he probably won't have too many customers on BF now.
 
That's what I've said. I don't mind someone bargains or wavers, trying to get more from a transaction BEFORE reaching a deal. Nor will I mind sending my cash/knife first even we didn't make that clear before a deal. The important thing is, we, adults, men, should keep our word and be responsible for what we've said.
Thanks.
 
SIRGALANT, business is business. Even though I don't like him after he changed his mind, the deal was there and I really liked that knife.
 
He is not a man, he is a boy.

Own up and be responsible 007.

As I said in the other thread, priorities are out of whack.

Potential risk.
 
Dbtsing, you are certainly free to do as you wish. Like everyone here, you can continue to deal with him after your own bad experience or you can write him off. But as you already know, you are not the only one to have a bad experience with him. And as you also know, those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

I also like the knife, but I literally do not care if he offered it to me for free. I will not deal with him again, ever. There are enough good people here that I do not have to lower my standards and accept 007's behavior. My 10-year old shows more maturity. Some people might think I am being harsh, but life is about choices and consequences and it's been Christian's choices all along. I am not going to cry over the consequences.

Sooner or later, another knife will be along that has your name on it. It might be a little more expensive, but then I guess you have to ask yourself one question: What is the value that I place on a quick, concise, hassle-free transaction? That is something you'll likely never get with 007.
 
I'm a bit interested also as I was offered a HH with DP leather sheath yesterday as well. Haven't heard back since yesterday. Now that I'm aware of this controversy I'll have nothing further to do with the deal. Looks like several of us were being jerked around.
 
On the edge, thank you for your note. Right, dealing with a trustwothy and honest bro will save me a lot in my time and energy; at least save my time in telling my experience here. Thanks.

Border Shift, thanks for telling me this. Now I have an even better understanding of 007. Thanks.
 
Time to set things straight. B.Dai you responded to my FOR SALE thread and led me on to believe that you had the available funds to pay for the HH. Then you tried to pony off your Mole Jack on me. The entire reason I was selling the HH was to get the MONEY. Not to be back on the forums wasting more time trying to sell another knife. I take full responsibility for being very "iffy" and letting myself try to work something out. I shouldn't have, I should have told B.Dai to sell his Mole Jack in the beginning and get back to me when he had the money. As far as those who have knives that interest me, it is common place for deals to fall through on BF and I was just trying to set something up where I could have one deal that I wanted come through. I have not been having the best week and it seems that this takes the cake. I am sorry B.Dai, I was trying to work something out with you that would satisfy us both. We never came to that middle ground.
And the last order of business. Please do not make assumptions about me or my life. I have no problem explaining myself for the actions I have commited but to have to read endless posts of members I have never spoken to making bold and ridiculous assumptions about my life is demeaning. If you have questions please ask, but don't assume that you know the intricate details of my life.
 
007 Agent ZZero said:
Time to set things straight. B.Dai you responded to my FOR SALE thread and led me on to believe that you had the available funds to pay for the HH. Then you tried to pony off your Mole Jack on me.
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Trade offers are fine, really want an AK47, other choppers from Busse or the Swamp are good too. That's from your For Sale post, and that's why I sent my trade offer to you. If you didn't interested in my knife at all, why did you show your interest in my offer and discuss with me about it?
 
Doesn't matter if others may or may not have done dealings with you. Your on a public forum and everybody is subject to the rules, negativity and praise.

1) Think before you post and decide what YOU want to do. It's easier on everyone that way.

2) Don't submit to saying "DEAL" unless you're sure you want to. If you have any reservations, think for awhile BEFORE committing.

3) Noone here really cares if you have bills, tuition, etc. We all have something that we are responsible for. Regardless of your story sounding fishy anyway, since others stated you've contacted them in the meantime, but really that has nothing to do with agreeing to 2 deals and backing out afterwards. If you had thought about what you wanted to do clearly, you wouldn't have 2 strikes against you to date.

Just a thought...

What if the college you attend had accepted you, you brought all your stuff there, get setup, and then they tell you on the first day of class, " Nah, we don't feel like letting you in".

Frustrating isn't it?
 
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