Anti-knife movement

golok

golok

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From reports filtering in from various countries, I don't think I am wrong is saying that authorities are beginning to clamp down on knives and the users/collectors of knives.

Why is this so? Has something terrible happened that has prompted such behaviour?

I find this movement against gravity knives, and big knives, sometimes even small knives quite disturbing. Can ordinary folk no longer be trusted with sharp objects?

I guess if this keeps up, the only people who will be having knives somewhere on their bodies will be muggers, crooks and robbers. What a frightening scenario.

England apparently has taken a rather harsh line on knives. So has Australia. Perhaps even New Zealand. What has sparked off this kind of reaction among the law enforcers and policy makers?

A most disturbing trend, if I may say so. :( :(
 
NOw that those countries have banned almost all firearms, and knife crime is blooming with other non-gun crime because the populace has no equalizer weaponry, they are going after the knives.
 
In England, crimes involving guns and knives are on the rise, even though they have these very restrictive weapons laws. In Canada it is too early to check statistics on how the new laws are affecting violent crimes where guns are used, but in the past these crimes did not decrease, even with our very restrictive gun laws. Besides that, these laws take away a law abiding citizens ability to defend themselves from the criminals that will have guns and knives no matter what laws are passed.

No government should have the right to take away our ability to defend ourselves, our families or our country from others or from them.

As far as restricting small knives is concerned, this is just stupidity. It seems governments want to take away our ability to hurt one another no matter how ridiculous these laws are. Do these people honestly believe that if I want to hurt someone and I don't have my pocketknife that I can't find something else to use? Give me a break! These laws are ways of controlling the population and I don't like them one little bit.
 
Why is this so? Has something terrible happened that has prompted such behaviour?
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No.

This type of legislation is the end product of a very profitable industry. There are organizations that specialize in demonizing products and activities. They collect tremendous amounts of moneys through direct sponsorship, the civil judicial process, and outright extortion. Then invest that into marketing and lobbying efforts. If you are a politician, you need only give them an endorsement, and you will get direct and indirect cash donations, favorable publicity, and organized political support. The people who are driving these efforts are simply doing it to get filthy rich.

They will ban guns one day; and tobacco, alcohol, drugs, knives, video games, pornography, meat, fur coats, SUVs, fast foods, and sporks the next. There is no logical explanation for banning these products, other than the opportunity to make money. They will continue the process until we finally get fed up and break their kneecaps... eh...regulate the lobbyiest.

n2s
 
Here's the short answer:

What you're seeing is the inevitable trend of governments to aggregate power. They always do so (except in conquest or revolution) with the tacit agreement and compliance of the population, who invariably are willing to sacrifice their freedoms for vague promises of safety and class warfare.

Specifically with regard to disarming the population: The myth that the state provides all things "good" for the people through laws and taxes easily lends itself to the notion that they alone can address violent behavior. This starts first on a large scale, with armies who protect our country, and works its way down to local levels with police, who protect the community from criminal behavior. The problem isn't with the soldiers or police or their original intended functions, it's always with the way that they're used by bureaucrats and politicians to enforce more and more laws aimed at subjugating the citizenry by redefining criminal behavior. "Never take the law into your own hands" is only a few short steps from the belief that there is no right to self defense. Prosecution of those who DO take steps to protect themselves helps eliminate this type of behavior. You need look no furthur than the fact that a couple of men with BOXCUTTERS!!! were able to take over 747 airplanes with hundreds of people on board. Twenty years of social conditioning had its effect: Don't resist evil - it'll only make things worse.

The goal is twofold: The greater control of the population by denying them the ability to to act in their own self interests. In this case it means denying citizens the right to own, carry, or use guns and knives to defend themselves. And the elimination of effective threat by armed citizenry to government tyranny (read the U.S. Declaration of Independence) through the establishment , however gradual, of a police state.
 
grommit said it all.Ban one thing the crooks use something else,ban it and they use something else.There is no end to it.The politicians can't seem to understand this.The crooks love it because they know that noone has anything on them to stop them.
BTW there was a study done on states that had adopted CCPs and in every state that had a good handgun carry permit program the crime rate of that state droped dramatically the first year after the program was started and has stayed down.This seems to be screeming something.
;)
 
Originally posted by panella
They always do so (except in conquest or revolution) with the tacit agreement and compliance of the population, who invariably are willing to sacrifice their freedoms for vague promises of safety and class warfare.
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Yep. That's the great part about a democracy.

The people get the kind of leadership that they deserve.
 
break their kneecaps
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HA HA more like stab in the neck with a stick and smash them in the head with a rock,but then they would only ban them and form little SS squads to go around and confiskate(sp?) all the sticks and stones.
 
I just wish people would realize that knives are tools first, and weapons only at dire need.
 
I would think you would have to look at the events of 9-11 as a huge catalyst toward the anti-knife mentality of the general population, and particularly the politicians.

We have Al-Queda to thank for the knee jerk reaction of the pols for this.

It will only get worse, until you have to start carrying around neck whips, ashtrays, and other unconventional weapons to have anything at all to defend yourself with.

Better start learning some unconventioanl carry options and how to deploy and utilize them before we find ourselves behind the curve on this.

Forethought goes a long way--been studying the unconventionals since 81.

"Lets roll"

Brownie

Brownie
 
I agree with Panella's assessment on this issue. One only has to look at history to see what's coming next. Taking weapons out of the hands of the general populace worked for both Hitler and Mussolini. Dissarm the citizenry and they have no means with which to revolt when they are given over to police state tyranny.
Or, if you wanna look at this from the power mongerer's point of view: de-fang the snake and it's easier to do with it as you please.

Can anyone else here see a One-World govermment whose aim is to control every facet of people's lives beginning to rear it's ugly head? Soma anyone?:eek:

I'm going out to make a knife now and do a lotta praying while I'm at it.


All the best,
Mike U.
 
In the UK gun crime is on the increase, with the banning of ownership of handguns all the guns are 'illegally' owned weapons, either modded replicas or smuggled guns. So much for banning guns to reduce crime. Banning legal guns has stopped people from defending themselves IMHO. In a town close to me last week a guy went mental with a hand gun holding someone hostage. He had 2 illegal pistols in his house.

I plan to stock up on 'aggresive' knives and weapons while i still can.

Make hay while the sun shines;)
 
The problem has been identified, now for the solution. Everyone here ( on this and other like forums ) needs to write letters, not email, to their representatives both state and federal. They need to hear the positive aspect of knives ( and firearms ), not just the negative aspect they get bombarded with by the "freedom snatchers". They also need to know the how the people they represent feel, they need to understand that we will not accept the loss of freedoms for "security". It has been shown in almost every state that has CCW, that violent crimes have gone down, once the people are allowed to defend themselves. Take a few moments and draft a letter that can be sent to as many representatives as possible, make it polite and cordial; the anti's think we're all a bunch of whackos, we need to show the politicians that we are thoughtful, law abiding people. I have already written and sent letters regarding firearms, but one or two voices is not enough. We all need to voice our opinion - Charles
 
Ok let's take a vote here whose prefered weapon of choice is a knife?

Next question how many of you would show up at a gun fight with only a knife?

Last question, how many of you bad guys legaly purchase your weapons? Come on don't be ashamed hold your hands up nice and high.

A disarmed nation is usually easier to control, till the right person comes along to stir up the sh*t, then the people begin to realize that their rights are being trampled under the guise safety and false concern for the populace.

It's time to rise up and take control, to build a new beggining on the crused bones of yesterdays soceity.
 
They will ban guns one day; and tobacco, alcohol, drugs, knives, video games, pornography, meat, fur coats, SUVs, fast foods, and sporks the next.
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Damn, besides the fast food and sporks everything you mentioned is everything that brings me pleasure in this world!:) Those bastards must be stopped!
 
Originally posted by u812
grommit said it all.Ban one thing the crooks use something else,ban it and they use something else.There is no end to it.The politicians can't seem to understand this.The crooks love it because they know that noone has anything on them to stop them.
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It is not that the politicians "can't seem to understand this." They sure as hell DO understand it. The problem is that they NEVER INTENDED TO CONDUCT THEMSELVES HONESTLY IN THE FIRST PLACE. They are disingenuous, demagoguic LIARS. Do you really think that Charles Schumer or Bill Clinton or Dianne Feinstein actually BELIEVE their bullsh*t lies about how gun control will stop gun crime? Do you really think they BELIEVE that among the 10 Amendments in the Bill of Rights, the 2nd Amendment is supposed to somehow guarantee a state power instead of an individual right?

Just like you can't argue with a crazy person, you also can't argue with a liar. They refuse to grant when you have proved your point and destroyed theirs. They carry on as though nothing you said or demonstrated ever demolished their claims or their position or ideology. The only way to deal with them is to UTTERLY DESTROY them, either in the physical sense or in the credibility sense.

And Brownie, you said, "We have Al-Queda to thank for the knee jerk reaction of the pols for this."

Wrong. No matter what Al-Queda did, the pols reacted in the way they CHOSE to react. There is nothing inherent in Al-Queda's actions that necessitated transparently useless responses by our politicians. Nothing that made them HAVE to make overtures toward a police state. Nothing that made them HAVE to ban nail clippers and confiscate Dragonflies and Crickets and Ladybugs and knitting needles or anything else they're confiscating these days to show they're "doing something" about the threat of terrorism.

We really need to address this sh*t in STRONG terms. Just what terrorists would attack us if we hung their corpes on pikes around the friggin' White House??! If we were BRUTAL to our enemies -- as they deserve to be and as they are to US -- THEN we might have a chance at defeating them.

---Jeffrey
 
I do not remember where I read it, it is not my original idea and I am transmitting it badly, but it made an impression on me:

The act of terrorism depends on several aspects of the victim to work. The victim must be more civilized, restrained and compassionate than the terrorists. If the victim nation or group was as deceitful, bigoted, destructive and hateful as the terrorist the response would be overwhelming against the terrorists themselves and the host or shielding population. I am sure most all of us have read the story of Pershings alleged response to muslim terrorists in the Phillipines, killing most and specifically defiling their corpses. The terrorists depend on the victims acting scared instead of vengeful. The fact that terrorism is perpetrated shows that the terrorists are admitting that they are many despicable things including:

Weaker than the victims. Otherwise they could simply go to war and win it all.

Plain wrong. If the terrorists had a logical or legal leg to stand on in their claims, they could go to national or world courts of either law or public opinion and win.

Less civilized. The act of attacking non-combatants and innocent children is so cowardly and lower than snake drool that I am not sure how to rationally describe this.

By disarming the general populace in response to such attacks, the politicians may be even lower. They are telling us that we are individually less important than the terrorists themselves. Multiplying the laws and regulations and burdens on the citizens has little impact on the terrorists but instead actually helps them terrorize us. Worse, laws against the enemies of th ecitizenry almost inevitably get turned against the citezenry in the future. This is demonstrated again and again, one example being the RICO laws that were marketed as a weapon for fighting organized crime. Instead they get used to pummel otherwise legal and peaceful protestors at abortion clinics.

We must not judge the merits of any law by how it can benefit us when weilded by our friends. Instead we must fear any new legislation for how it will be abused by our enemies.
 
I don't have any problem with sensible gun control. I support laws intended to keep guns out of violent felon's hands via background checks, for example. I also see no reason for individuals to own tanks and nukes either, or to take weapons into schools or onto airplanes. The problem, as I see it, is the hysterical knee jerk reactionary spasams of faint hearted weaklings bowing to the perpetual howls of the loud mouthed minority in defiance of reason and purpose. Hence, we have ten round clips for no good reason. We have 5.5" knives because 5.6" knives do what? But guns and knives are the least of my worries.

Long ago, far, far away, great men, not without fault but with honorable intent, took up a pen truly mightier than any sword, and with the collective wisdom and reason of ten thousand years of trial and error wrote a living will designed to allow all Americans inalienable rights of passage and free will, only restricting those behaviors which would subvert the exercise of liberty and justice for all. My, how times have changed! Nowadays, the ultimate and overriding goal of every legislator is not to pass sensible legislation and rid the books of burdensome, outdated, and onerus laws, but to get re-elected and perpetuate injustice so the few may profit. Hence, the monied and mouthy and powerful rule, not to ensure freedom, but to subjugate. It was supposed to end "happily ever after"...
 
Originally posted by golok
From reports filtering in from various countries, I don't think I am wrong is saying that authorities are beginning to clamp down on knives and the users/collectors of knives.Why is this so? Has something terrible happened that has prompted such behaviour?
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I don't think Hollywood is helping with its rather negative potrayal of the knife in all those slasher films.
 
Originally posted by stich
I don't have any problem with sensible gun control. I support laws intended to keep guns out of violent felon's hands via background checks, for example. I also see no reason for individuals to own tanks and nukes either, or to take weapons into schools or onto airplanes.
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Take a look at England, and see how the gun laws changed from a civic duty to bear arms, to a right to bear arms, to be able to bear arms, and then not be able to bear arms.

So called "sensible" laws are just a gateway for more restrictive laws.

You think anyone would randomly rob, rape or kill someone if they knew they could be armed? Do you think anyone would hijack a a plane or shoot up a school if there was going to be armed resistance? It's not full proof, nothing is a 100% effective, but not everyone is going to pack or own a gun/knife (if a knife is even going to be in the "non-tool" catergory) item but it's an option that should be an option.
 
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