Any downsides to ZDP 189?

HoB said:
I think that the discussion in this thread is pretty pointless. It is based on the common and naive assumption (or rather wishful thinking) that there must be THE perfect steel.

In a knife like the Caly Jr., isn't it completely irrelevant whether or not ZDP-189 has a lower Charpy value than ATS-34 or not? As long as the edge holds up (which depends a lot on what you are cutting anyway) and is not chipping out under you, the thoughness is obviously good enough. With a blade that is ground as thinly as the Caly's you are hopefully not prying anyway. No matter what kind of steel you are using, it would be trivial to break it.

And for a knife that you want much tougher, there are other steels, which are clearly optimized for a different usage....There is a reason why some steels are called "shock steels".

I think it is really necessary to evaluate a steel within the application (i.e. the type of knife, blade/edge geometry etc.) that it is used for. And even if charts and numbers give a good idea, in the end, time and user evaluation will tell, how good a steel holds up in a particular type of application.

There is THE perfect steel. It is what steel works best for THE particular user in THE particular application. You don't find cast iron in jet engines, yet for pot belly stoves it's THE perfect steel.

I understand what you are saying. There is no THE perfect steel for all applications.
 
Sal Glesser said:
Hi Cliff,

We're looking at CPM-3V and CPM-M4.

We've got a fixed bladed "chopper" and a folder. Both Ed Schempp designs.

Any opinions?

sal

how about new ocelot in cpm-3v? or full size calypso with g10 handle? :)
 
Sal Glesser said:
We're looking at CPM-3V and CPM-M4.

We've got a fixed bladed "chopper" and a folder. Both Ed Schempp designs.

Any opinions?

3V looks impressive on paper, but the knives I have used have had problems and I have heard similar reports from other makers. It has a charpy peak at ~58 HRC, see if you can find torsional graphs for it and check their optimal values.

M4 is a nice steel for a fine cutting blade, able to get harder than M2 with more wear resistance. It is a nice steel for the Calypso Jr. and other similar blades, I would be weary of using it in the larger folders as they generally get used for harder work.

As with all new steels, do some prototypes, do some flex tests, see where they set and break, do some impact work on a hard object and see if the edge has any flexibility/impact ability and make judgements accordingly dependent on the blade style.

In any case it is nice to see some carbon steels becoming part of the Spyderco line.

-Cliff
 
Dang. Member since 2014, and you resurrect a zombie thread for your first post? Must be some kind of record for this or something. And what's an "ag 10"?

Anyway, I have a ZDP-189 Stretch, and other than being a little more aggravating to sharpen, it's good steel. Doesn't seem too brittle to me.

~Chris
 
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