Any motorcycle riders?

[Dave from State Farm]

Don't forget BMW shiny!

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2017/august/new-bmw-s1000rr-spy-shots/

 

[McFeeli]

I didn't know that about the ZX, that's actually pretty rad. I think what most are going on about is that riding on the street is really different than dirt. Mostly because there a ton dipshit drivers out there, and it seems like they're multiplying, haha. Most of my close calls were caused by dumbasses pulling out in front of me.

That said, it's all null whenever you get used to whichever bike you decide. It doesn't take long to learn your bike, and after that the fun really begins.

 

[shovelhead69]

Nice to see some fellow riders on here. I'e been riding as far back as I can remember. I only want to add no matter what you ride be alert and be safe. Lost Many friends and brothers over the years to careless caters. MH&R

 

[shinyedges]

I didn't know that about the ZX, that's actually pretty rad. I think what most are going on about is that riding on the street is really different than dirt. Mostly because there a ton dipshit drivers out there, and it seems like they're multiplying, haha. Most of my close calls were caused by dumbasses pulling out in front of me.

That said, it's all null whenever you get used to whichever bike you decide. It doesn't take long to learn your bike, and after that the fun really begins.

I think it's cool too, ride in low mode (600cc) for as long as it takes to get comfortable. Low mode is also good for wet weather too. I'm from south florida many of my cousins/family members ride. Some of them even stunt, have multiple bikes for different purposes. I also know someone who died in a bike crash.

I didn't just get out of my parents basement at 30 and decide to get on a rocket ship I'd never heard of. I have an understanding of the danger.

 

[shinyedges]

Don't forget BMW shiny!

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2017/august/new-bmw-s1000rr-spy-shots/

You think I'm made of money? Hell lol

 

[JBoone]

Woods weapon

 

[Dave from State Farm]

And if you're more of an environmental type shiny:

http://lightningmotorcycle.com

 

[shinyedges]

And if you're more of an environmental type shiny:

http://lightningmotorcycle.com

Not my thing but that is impressive. Damn.

 

[bikerector]

For comparison a 600 weighs 420 pounds roughly, the liter bike weighs 440 pounds roughly. The gap between them is closer than ever with liter bikes having the ability to cut power, as well as being smaller than they were in years past.

This is always what made it harder to get the smaller bike. Probably the most significant price difference will be the maintenance cost and that's debatable depending on how you ride it and maintain it. The 750's are even closer and truthfully, probably where I would end up.

I will say that I strongly prefer the v-style engines outside of the race track. I haven't ridden a triple yet or a single on the road, really would like to get on a KTM duke/super duke but it looks like they bumped these to twins now, probably a good move. Singles are so darn easy to work on though.

With the electronics, as you pointed out, the bigger bikes certainly are safer than they've ever been. I guess the real problem is, how is your self control?

It's been a while since I shopped through the new tech, is the suspension pretty much the same on stock 600's and liters or is that a spot of compromise? Being a fatter guy, suspension always gets a nod from me after learning fast on the track that sagging out the suspension in corners is stupid.

 

[shinyedges]

This is always what made it harder to get the smaller bike. Probably the most significant price difference will be the maintenance cost and that's debatable depending on how you ride it and maintain it. The 750's are even closer and truthfully, probably where I would end up.

I will say that I strongly prefer the v-style engines outside of the race track. I haven't ridden a triple yet or a single on the road, really would like to get on a KTM duke/super duke but it looks like they bumped these to twins now, probably a good move. Singles are so darn easy to work on though.

With the electronics, as you pointed out, the bigger bikes certainly are safer than they've ever been. I guess the real problem is, how is your self control?

It's been a while since I shopped through the new tech, is the suspension pretty much the same on stock 600's and liters or is that a spot of compromise? Being a fatter guy, suspension always gets a nod from me after learning fast on the track that sagging out the suspension in corners is stupid.

My self control is better now than when I was 20, by a long shot. I have 2 kids and am in no rush to the grave. I have no qualms with leaving the bike at 600cc for as long as it takes for me to be comfortable.

Suspension on the modern liters is better than ever from what I've researched. Abs makes locking the front wheel up a thing of the past, there is 3 traction control settings and the ability to shut off traction control completely. I've heard the traction control on the zx is amazing.

Anti wheelie and indo technology, 3 power modes... not significantly more expensive.. it's tough to chose a 600cc when the 1000cc can be a 600cc too. Like I said 20 pounds difference..

 

[BladeScout]

We are merely looking out for you, shiny.
You did ask our opinion.

We are not implying, you just emerged from the basement.

Problem is, that when one has a new bike and knows, it has the power, one at some point wants to let the bike stretch its legs.

But as you say, you show more restraint now.

 

[OldNavy]

Have been riding since 73, No super Bikes, only heavy & slow that leak oil
first 2 were FLH's Current ride is a 84 FXST with some DIY Mods

upgrades include
S & S 107" Long Block
Super G carb
Thunder Headers
Solo Saddle off an old Police Bike

 

[Danke42]

My self control is better now than when I was 20, by a long shot. I have 2 kids and am in no rush to the grave. I have no qualms with leaving the bike at 600cc for as long as it takes for me to be comfortable.

Suspension on the modern liters is better than ever from what I've researched. Abs makes locking the front wheel up a thing of the past, there is 3 traction control settings and the ability to shut off traction control completely. I've heard the traction control on the zx is amazing.

Anti wheelie and indo technology, 3 power modes... not significantly more expensive.. it's tough to chose a 600cc when the 1000cc can be a 600cc too. Like I said 20 pounds difference..

Not quite for ABS. On a car yeah, you can mash your hoof down and light up a smoke while stopping.

On a motorcycle not so much; the traction pie means you still need to balance between the braking and steering. To much brake when leaned over and you wash out the front like happens in about a million of those Mullholland clips. Then it's $1000 as second in bodywork as you slide down the road.

The newest thing on the block is what KTM is doing with the Bosch electronics on their bigger street bikes, lean sensitive ABS.

 

[shinyedges]

Not quite for ABS. On a car yeah, you can mash your hoof down and light up a smoke while stopping.

On a motorcycle not so much; the traction pie means you still need to balance between the braking and steering. To much brake when leaned over and you wash out the front like happens in about a million of those Mullholland clips. Then it's $1000 as second in bodywork as you slide down the road.

The newest thing on the block is what KTM is doing with the Bosch electronics on their bigger street bikes, lean sensitive ABS.

The kawi has the cornering abs too, along with a slew of other features I have been sifting through.

That's interesting on the abs, I watched a few videos of stop tests and it sure looked like they grabbed both brakes and squeezed 100% with zero front wheel lock up and rear tire lift.

Here is a little piece:

5-Axis Inertial Measurement Unit
The addition of a Bosch 5-axis IMU allows the Ninja’s ECU to evaluate five “freedoms” of movement, including longitudinal (forward/backward) acceleration, transverse (side to side) acceleration, vertical (up/down) acceleration, roll rate (lean angle), and pitch rate (wheelies/endoes). By crunching the above data, the ECU is also able to determine the yaw rate, or the bike’s rotation around a vertical axis, as when in a power slide. By watching the pitch rate and comparing it to wheel speed (and lots of other stuff!), the ECU and S-KTC are able to manage wheelie height for maximum drive, as well as mitigate wheel lift during hard braking. According to project leader Yoshimoto Matsuda, half of the 32-bit ECU’s processing power is dedicated to S-KTRC.

 

[shinyedges]

There is a local ktm rc8 for sale I think is gorgeous but it is a 2010 and doesn't have the features of the newer zx10r while being damn near the same price.

 

[shinyedges]

I'll take the next few weeks and continue to analyze everything, all the features of each of the big manufacturers bikes and try to make the best decision I can. So far, for the money it seems kawi is in the lead.

But jeesh, there is so much to go through. Luckily I enjoy researching.

Hell, researching my first becker bk2 6+ years ago lead me here!

 

[Danke42]

The kawi has the cornering abs too, along with a slew of other features I have been sifting through.

That's interesting on the abs, I watched a few videos of stop tests and it sure looked like they grabbed both brakes and squeezed 100% with zero front wheel lock up and rear tire lift.

Here is a little piece:

5-Axis Inertial Measurement Unit
The addition of a Bosch 5-axis IMU allows the Ninja’s ECU to evaluate five “freedoms” of movement, including longitudinal (forward/backward) acceleration, transverse (side to side) acceleration, vertical (up/down) acceleration, roll rate (lean angle), and pitch rate (wheelies/endoes). By crunching the above data, the ECU is also able to determine the yaw rate, or the bike’s rotation around a vertical axis, as when in a power slide. By watching the pitch rate and comparing it to wheel speed (and lots of other stuff!), the ECU and S-KTC are able to manage wheelie height for maximum drive, as well as mitigate wheel lift during hard braking. According to project leader Yoshimoto Matsuda, half of the 32-bit ECU’s processing power is dedicated to S-KTRC.

I don't think that's quite the same. If you run it through a marketing translator there's no mention of braking when leaned over or of a bank angle sensor in the ABS loop. From what I can see the Euro folks are really on the bandwagon for leaned over ABS but not the Japanese and not the US made bikes. https://www.kawasaki.com/Press/Release/2017-Ninja-1000-ABS

It's hard to believe but print magazines still hold weight. Start reading Motorcyclist, Cycle World, and if you want a Euro view MCN. Just don't believe anything MCN says about bikes that haven't been actually released yet.

 

[shinyedges]

I don't think that's quite the same. If you run it through a marketing translator there's no mention of braking when leaned over or of a bank angle sensor in the ABS loop. From what I can see the Euro folks are really on the bandwagon for leaned over ABS but not the Japanese and not the US made bikes. https://www.kawasaki.com/Press/Release/2017-Ninja-1000-ABS

It's hard to believe but print magazines still hold weight. Start reading Motorcyclist, Cycle World, and if you want a Euro view MCN. Just don't believe anything MCN says about bikes that haven't been actually released yet.

The link you posted is for a different bike (although I don't know if it makes a difference)

Here is what it says for kcmf :

https://www.kawasaki-cp.khi.co.jp/technology/engine/tech_kcmf_e.html

Says cornering braking control, shrug.

I've watched a bunch of mcn videos, they can be entertaining as hell.

I don't know if Kawasaki is feigning corner braking or what but from what I gather it is a feature of the zx10r.

 

[shinyedges]

I don't think that's quite the same. If you run it through a marketing translator there's no mention of braking when leaned over or of a bank angle sensor in the ABS loop. From what I can see the Euro folks are really on the bandwagon for leaned over ABS but not the Japanese and not the US made bikes. https://www.kawasaki.com/Press/Release/2017-Ninja-1000-ABS

It's hard to believe but print magazines still hold weight. Start reading Motorcyclist, Cycle World, and if you want a Euro view MCN. Just don't believe anything MCN says about bikes that haven't been actually released yet.

How important would you say abs actually is? If a bike came up that has traction control but no abs and had a deep discount should I jump on it? Or is abs significant enough to pass up on a great deal for a non abs model and get the abs..

 

[shinyedges]

This guy is a professional and his abs brake distance was very close to his non abs brake distance. He also says, on the abs bike "you just grab the brakes 100% and know the electronics do the rest" very good video.