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How important would you say abs actually is? If a bike came up that has traction control but no abs and had a deep discount should I jump on it? Or is abs significant enough to pass up on a great deal for a non abs model and get the abs..
ABS is still huge. Even on a regular bike that you can only use when upright it's huge.

A guy who's rehearsed like crazy can go back to back on matching bikes and equal or outbrake ABS on dry pavement. Put the bike on wet pavement and it's no contest. Real world ABS is a must have.

Traction control, not so much. The bikes have such huge speed and HP that to get the TC to kick in you need to be cranked over on the track and very hard on the gas. If you want it to save you on the street with cold tires it's risky; it'll have that sudden lurch that can flick you off. On the track you're already sliding the bike a lot and it's moving around so a bit more doesn't unsettle you as much.
 
ABS is still huge. Even on a regular bike that you can only use when upright it's huge.

A guy who's rehearsed like crazy can go back to back on matching bikes and equal or outbrake ABS on dry pavement. Put the bike on wet pavement and it's no contest. Real world ABS is a must have.

Traction control, not so much. The bikes have such huge speed and HP that to get the TC to kick in you need to be cranked over on the track and very hard on the gas. If you want it to save you on the street with cold tires it's risky; it'll have that sudden lurch that can flick you off. On the track you're already sliding the bike a lot and it's moving around so a bit more doesn't unsettle you as much.
So springing for the abs bike even if it's a bit more sounds like a good idea. That was my thought, there is some pretty smoking deals on non abs bikes right now that are down right tempting.
 
So springing for the abs bike even if it's a bit more sounds like a good idea. That was my thought, there is some pretty smoking deals on non abs bikes right now that are down right tempting.
For sure, all the software and stuff you get is awesome.

It just won't save you in the same way in a car. On a motorcycle the rider is still the key to it all. With a modern car you can switch all that stuff on and play it like you're in a video game. On a bike it will still bite you if you make a mistake; and the bigger and faster the bike the harder it bites.
 
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For sure, all the software and stuff you get is awesome.

It just won't save you in the same way in a car. On a motorcycle the rider is still the key to it all. With a modern car you can switch all that stuff on and play it like you're in a video game. On a bike it will still bite you if you make a mistake; and the bigger and faster the bike the harder it bites.
Understood and agreed. Not a substitute for vigilance and experience.

Sheesh, after spending the last few weeks basically every day reading and watching about bikes and their features I can honestly say I still am not sold in any one direction.
 
Time for test rides.

Also most courses will supply bikes so you can feel out some of the features.
 
Ok shiny, I gotta say it, and there's no way to sugar coat it

Pull your head out of your ass and realize that a modern race-replica liter-bike is no place for a beginner.

Stop trying to convince us (and yourself) that just because you can electronically 'detune' it down to a 600, it's all OK. Even on a 600 supersport, when things happen, they happen fast, and they don't forgive rookie mistakes. A less race oriented bike will flex and twist and give you clear feedback that you can actually understand before it decides to toss you off into the weeds. A modern RR bike is giving is going to be good right up until the point that it's not. Your not going to get feedback that you can understand, without a lot of experience, before it throws you.

Here's how the two talk to a new rider...
SV-650 - "I'm good. I'm good. Ok, I'm not liking this, we should watch ourselves. I'm really not liking this, I might bight you soon. Last warning, I'm gonna bight you. Ok, you've pushed too far, chomp"
ZX-10 - "I'm good. I'm good. Keep pushing, I got plenty. I'm a better bike than you are rider, keep going. Taste asphalt, bitch"

Think about new riders in the dirt. Would you seriously recommend a CR-500 for them, or something like a DR-200? Yeah, it's like that.

I don't bring this up because I'm an asshole, but because I want to see more of us on the street. But I also want to see more people stick with it and become better riders. You can't learn when you're hanging on for dear life - and that's a distinct possibility if you start on a ZX-10.

I've also seen friends who thought a liter bike was a good choice for a first bike. And I've seen the aftermath. Some were lucky enough to have nothing but bruised ego, some were not quite so lucky.


I can't make your decision for you. But I highly recommend checking your ego at the door when buying a street bike. You can always upgrade as you get more experience.

Just my two-cents. Take them as you will.
 
Now that I'm off my soapbox....

Crappy pic, but my two baby's sharing garage space
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Now that I'm off my soapbox....

Crappy pic, but my two baby's sharing garage space
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Firstly, I'm glad you voiced your concern and I see where you are coming from. I don't have my fingers in my ears yelling la la la la, I hear you.

It's tough to convey a lack of ego in the decision I am making through text, but all i can say is I have no intention of racing or show boating. I live out in the sticks, literally on a 50+ acre farm. There isn't anyone around to witness if I had ego, the town I'll ride to work to on this bike, for the warm months in the year has 5000 people I think.

There is 2 stop lights between the 32ish miles between my house and work, where my greatest danger is likely deer.

I'd add, I have no delusions of getting this bike and out riding anyone at the track, or getting top performance out of the bike. A work commuter that looks good is what this would be. My friend who has a 954 as his first bike (but also a history if dirt bikes) uses his bike just like I will, to putts to work and back. He's ok. A little maturity in realizing I'm not speed racer and acknowledging my skill level on a crotch rocket is in my corner.

All, that said I will consider getting something else too. I'm not set in stone for anything yet.


I appreciate the words, from everyone.
 
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Panigale is one sweet bike - more power than anyone could ever need.
Love Ducatis - my 01 ST2 and Diavel here. Best of luck - watch the cars
they don't watch you.
 
Ok, here goes - First off, everything Jaseman said so very well- that was exceptionally well put and easy to understand - at least if you have actually experienced it as I have. I'm 63 and have been riding since I was 19. For a little while I could honestly say I was the fastest rider in Azusa Canyon (the local mountains which at the time were very popular for racing bikes, and also ate more riders than any other road in the state).

The bikes you are looking at are extremely purpose built, and yes I know that's one of the reasons you like them, but a race replica just doesn't make a good commuter! These bikes are only really comfortable (and I do mean for the rider) when being used for what they were designed for - going fast through the twisties. The riding position, and engine and suspension tune are all aimed at that one particular scenario. It will not be a fun or practical bike for your commute, especially if you actually ride it the way you say you plan to. I can tell you from experience that even in "600 mode" it takes a good while to develop a real skill set that will let you actually use that bike - and don't kid yourself - you're not buying a bike like that to "putt around on" and you definitely won't leave it in 600 mode.

You will start hitting the throttle a little harder every time until it eats your lunch. It's human nature. And really, if you're not going to do that, why spend the money for a bike like that, and put up with the uncomfortable seating position, rough ride and peaky engine? And don't forget that anything you want to take to work will be on your back.

Once I quit racing, I went for the "standards". Usually a slightly detuned liter or better engine in a frame that still handles well but has a much more comfortable seating position. The "detuned" engine is much more fun on the street as it has stronger low and mid range power - where you spend 90% of your time on the street. I've been happy on my 1250 Bandit (Suzuki) for a good while now, but Yamaha's FZ1s are also nice, although still a little high strung.

To give you a real life example of what I mean, I had a previous generation FZ1- don't remember the year. These are great bikes, comfortable, easy to carry stuff on, handle and go well enough for a good rider to embarrass the squids on the latest crotch rockets. Anyway, I had one before and liked it, so when I sold my FJR (great bike, but too much bike for how I was using it) I decided to get another FZ. I loved it - until I took it out and wound it out - over 100 in second gear, and all the power on the top end, though not as bad as the bikes you're looking at. That means you pretty much never get to enjoy that power. Also, being so top-end oriented made it harder to get a good launch splitting lanes with my wife on the back.

Contrast that with my Bandit with tons of low-end torque. I have pretty much instant power anywhere in the rev range. Still has a top-end punch, but I don't HAVE to be in the top end to have fun. Wonderful in traffic, great off the line.

Okay, so I've written way too much. Get real with yourself. Would you buy a MX race bike to put around in the woods? Because that's what you say you're going to do here - either you're lying to yourself or it's a wrong move and waste of money. Buy a bike that fits what you actually want to do with it and you will be much happier.
 
Thanks everyone, I appreciate the advice. I'll start smaller and get some time on the asphalt before going to a liter bike. Perhaps a smaller enduro or supermoto like danke suggested to ease the transition from dirt to asphalt. Does look more comfortable and similar to what I'm used to than a super sport. Thanks again for all the candid advice to help steer me in the right direction.

With that said, time to look at some different bike options, lots to read and watch. I'll start a new thread when I make a choice.
 
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