They are great for gardening. I wouldn't pay for a Fox as a gardening tool though.
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They are great for gardening. I wouldn't pay for a Fox as a gardening tool though.
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I don't have that exact knife, but I have a Mil-Tac which is made by Fox, and I'm not really impressed.
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I had the exact same knife..Picked it up from Ebay on impulse one night at like 3am...After receiving it I realized I should have dropped the extra few bucks on the Emerson...I played with it for a few days and sold it to a buddy..Thin blade and liner..Screw heads seemed weak..Little blade play....You can get the same performance or more out of a Mantis Encore thats retail at around half a bill..Dont put your life on a weak system...Its like wearing zip-ties as a seat belt..Someone will trade something better for the ZT anyway..Or get the La Griffe..Thats solid, small, and cheap...
I got the Fox G10 black karamit today and it's not as bad as people are making it out to be. The liner lock is thinner than the emerson karambit (i have an emerson super karambit as well). but the whole knife is thinner and smaller in general. that's not the say the quality is worse. It's not a cheap knife. It's not something you are going to pick up for $20 at a flea market. It's worth it's price, which is not too expensive. It's not as robust as the emerson and the emerson feels more natural in your hand but this is also half the price of the emerson. it's really not as bad as people are making it out to be.
i'm looking at the mantis encore, and that's the kind of knife you pick up at a flea market. that thing is ugly and ghetto as hell. you get what you pay for. show me another karambit with wave feature in this price range. (and i'm not a shill for the company or anything. i'm actually going out of my way to defend them because it took them excessively long to ship to me. i was going to return it because i was pissed but kept it anyway because i like the quality.)
note: i also tapped it up against the wall to see if it would close on itself. that was the point where i was going to decide to keep it or not, and it didn't close on itself. the liner lock didn't fail.
it's a solid knife.
i'm looking at the mantis encore, and that's the kind of knife you pick up at a flea market. that thing is ugly and ghetto as hell. you get what you pay for. show me another karambit with wave feature in this price range. (and i'm not a shill for the company or anything. i'm actually going out of my way to defend them because it took them excessively long to ship to me. i was going to return it because i was pissed but kept it anyway because i like the quality.)
note: i also tapped it up against the wall to see if it would close on itself. that was the point where i was going to decide to keep it or not, and it didn't close on itself. the liner lock didn't fail.
it's a solid knife.
Hi Wolv,
I wanted to find out if you actually owned or have used this knife? I personally own and have used this knife in HARD USE practice and the Liner Lock NEVER closed on my hand. The FOX Karambit Knife is a very SOLID knife. I should know I own 3 of them... Later... ;-)
Hi Harkamus,
Good for you.
Not too hard to figure out, as there aren't too many people out there with the name Ladislao who help represent the FOX Knives brand and their Karambit Knife. Great knife and great company; as well as the Emerson Combat Karambit (that we also represent)...
About the other thing you just mentioned about me "resurrecting" this thread. I've honestly held back for over a year now wanting to talk about this as we've had occasional calls and emails from others who have had "concerns" from hearsay and non-thorough reviews with the FOX Karambit Knife. We were wanting to comment here to hopefully squash this. Also, what's hard about this is that although we represent the brand and this knife it can be difficult for others to understand that we are not slighted in the least and that I would NEVER want to represent anything that I didn't wholeheartedly believe in. I'm my own worst judge and would be the first to drop any company that did not have a quality product or stand behind their warranty. So I hope this sheds some light on who we are and who I am. It might sound cliche, but I'm my own best customer.
Lastly, we've been thinking about this more and more; of doing a video on a dead hog (for demo purposes) to show the quality of both these companies knives in action. Hopefully that will be coming out soon. Later Harkamus and thanks for the reply...
Good for you.
Not too hard to figure out, as there aren't too many people out there with the name Ladislao who help represent the FOX Knives brand and their Karambit Knife. Great knife and great company; as well as the Emerson Combat Karambit (that we also represent)... About the other thing you just mentioned about me "resurrecting" this thread. I've honestly held back for over a year now wanting to talk about this as we've had occasional calls and emails from others who have had "concerns" from hearsay and non-thorough reviews with the FOX Karambit Knife. We were wanting to comment here to hopefully squash this. Also, what's hard about this is that although we represent the brand and this knife it can be difficult for others to understand that we are not slighted in the least and that I would NEVER want to represent anything that I didn't wholeheartedly believe in. I'm my own worst judge and would be the first to drop any company that did not have a quality product or stand behind their warranty. So I hope this sheds some light on who we are and who I am. It might sound cliche, but I'm my own best customer.
Lastly, we've been thinking about this more and more; of doing a video on a dead hog (for demo purposes) to show the quality of both these companies knives in action. Hopefully that will be coming out soon. Later Harkamus and thanks for the reply...
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So it's pretty much been established that Ladislao = KBitOwner. Just wondering why that account is banned & this one is still up and running. I can't help but feel duped. Like the guy who got scammed by some carney game of 3 card monte. The more l learn, the less I like. Chalk it up as lesson learned. Just hope my 599 comes sometime this year (ordered Feb15th) & that its not a complete waste of 140 clams. If someone is sloppy enough to shill their wares so blatantly obviously on a knife enthusiast message board, what does that say about ones business practices & morales? Volumes.
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I'll say this about the FOX Karambit Knife Series (or any folding karambit knife that utilizes liner-locks).
To understand the operating basics of this knife you have to look at how you are SUPPOSED handle this knife to begin with. This is definitely NOT you're typical folding straight edged knife. This is a Talon Shaped Blade. When you're holding the Karambit knife in the "reverse" position you are to use it by punching into (or jabbing into) the other object; NOT come down on it.
Some other person online did a review (on some knife forum website like this one) where he came down on a FOX Karambit knife (to "test" the liner-lock's strength) and it eventually gave way after hitting full force on the SECOND try, (from what he described) and it folded on his hand and cut his thumb. Mind you, he even mentioned that he was wearing kevlar covered protected gloves; just goes to show you how sharp the knife is. I think it was his thumb that was cut (I didn't book mark the review as I thought what he did was very unwise).
As with any Karambit knife, it's intended use is to go INTO (or use the punching - jabbing motion) - NOT come DOWN ON if you're holding it (again) in the "reverse" position.
If you want to come down on the object you're hitting, then you have to hold it in the "forward" position, (you can still use the jabbing motion in this position also).
If you DO use it for it's intended use (with what was just described) then it should be able to handle what you're trying to perform over what failed on that reviewers "test". I have personally tested this knife MANY times over and I've NEVER had the liner-lock break, because I used in a way that put the stress on where it was meant to be put on... the backend (or spine) of the knife.
Anyone that tests this Karambit Knife (the way that this reviewer did) in that fashion (as with any company's liner locked knife) is bound to have that break on them eventually; even worse hurt themselves. As in this case with the other person who did it - not ONCE - but TWICE before it finally broke on him. Actually it shows the quality of the liner-lock that it DIDN'T break on him the first time he wacked it on a hard surface, even at full force the WRONG WAY for what it WASN'T intended to be used for. It happened the SECOND time around.
I hope this answers anyones questions or doubts of the FOX Karambit Knife...
P.S. As for the quality of the steel it is a matter of opinion. 690Co Stainless Steel is right up there with 154CM stainless steel in it's quality. So yes, I believe it's one of the best steels that you're going to find. Are there better steels? I'm sure their are. But again, it's still one of the best steels that you'll find in a knife of this quality and price range.
P.S.S. If your FOX Karambit Knife did not perform then it's under a full year warranty and that warranty will be covered as long as it was used for it's intended purpose and not abused.
Again, I hope this further answers any possible questions or doubts about this knife... Thanks, later...
Having had a chance to try out numerous Fox knives (DART, 599 karambit), and various folding karambits (Emerson, Fox, SpyderCo, Cold Steel), I can say IMHO that the Fox is a beautifully built knife, but not a reliable one. Yes, it's sharp and has a great ergonomic design, but liner locks are a big no-go in general, since they tend to be very weak compared to lock backs, triad locks, axis locks, etc. You can witness some of the Cold Steel / Demko testing videos as a good example, and you'll realize quickly why you want a strong lock to save your fingers when making heavy use of the blade.
I strongly disagree with one of the points noted above: sure the blade is only intended for specific use (ie: being held in the pakal "ice pick" grip; list of grips here: http://www.pekiti.com/what-is-the-best-grip-for-knife-fighting/), the blade should be built to accommodate some degree of user error. Having worked with folders, fixed blades, straight blades, karambits, etc, for years, there is the odd chance that negative pressure (ie: downwards on the spine of the blade) could occur accidentally, such as an opponent stepping in quickly and slapping the blade with a blunt instrument, being thrown to the ground, etc. In the testing described involving the kevlar glove, that's just dumb. The edge and point are supposed to be removed, and a mechanical arm should be used instead. Slopping testing methods.
I've easily broken numerous SpyderCo liner lock blades just by doing a light spine whack. If you need a folding karambit that can take some serious abuse, consider the Cold Steel 22KF, if you can't go with a fixed-blade karambit. If the Ultimate Hunter test video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rvon6CoeHk) is any good indicator, you'll see folders with just G10 handles (no steel liners) holding 135+ lbs while similarly priced blades with steel liners snapping.
Edit: you'll see triad-lock based folders with simple g10 handles outperforming more expensive blades with less effective locks which also utilize heavier materials (aluminium, steel, titanium, etc).
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I know this is an old thread but since it's already back at the top I thought Id throw in an opinion because apparently there aren't too many reviews of these knives on BF even now.
If you want a purely defensive blade, the fox is fine. I've carried a 599 for over a year now IWB for defensive situations since I am not yet of legal age to aquire a permit for CCW. Great blade that comes razor sharp and can be deployed in a split second with the wave, directly into reverse grip and ready for use, unlike many traditional folders with waves which require adjusting after being drawn. Excellent build quality, and ergonomic in hand. I've trained with ithe trainer version quite a bit and I can say honestly that I would trust my life to it without a doubt. Obviously it ain't gonna do you much good if your attacker has something with more reach, but if you're in close or grappling with them it can be devastating because of how versatile it is. The design also lends itself to punching because of the ring, so even if you have little training with it you could use it effectively just by getting it open and punching with it in reverse grip. Even if it doesn't cut anything, the ring will at least make contact and do some damage. Hell even just the sound of it being waved open from concealment, combined with a little flipping action k-bit style could be enough to make some one rethink their idea of choosing you as their target
If you're looking for a utility knife, however, find something else. Yes I suppose it COULD fill that role, but that's not really what it's made for, and good luck sharpening that curved blade when it eventually dulls.
If you want a purely defensive blade, the fox is fine. I've carried a 599 for over a year now IWB for defensive situations since I am not yet of legal age to aquire a permit for CCW. Great blade that comes razor sharp and can be deployed in a split second with the wave, directly into reverse grip and ready for use, unlike many traditional folders with waves which require adjusting after being drawn. Excellent build quality, and ergonomic in hand. I've trained with ithe trainer version quite a bit and I can say honestly that I would trust my life to it without a doubt. Obviously it ain't gonna do you much good if your attacker has something with more reach, but if you're in close or grappling with them it can be devastating because of how versatile it is. The design also lends itself to punching because of the ring, so even if you have little training with it you could use it effectively just by getting it open and punching with it in reverse grip. Even if it doesn't cut anything, the ring will at least make contact and do some damage. Hell even just the sound of it being waved open from concealment, combined with a little flipping action k-bit style could be enough to make some one rethink their idea of choosing you as their target
If you're looking for a utility knife, however, find something else. Yes I suppose it COULD fill that role, but that's not really what it's made for, and good luck sharpening that curved blade when it eventually dulls.
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I know this is an old thread but since it's already back at the top I thought Id throw in an opinion because apparently there aren't too many reviews of these knives on BF even now.
If you want a purely defensive blade, the fox is fine. I've carried a 599 for over a year now IWB for defensive situations since I am not yet of legal age to aquire a permit for CCW. Great blade that comes razor sharp and can be deployed in a split second with the wave, directly into reverse grip and ready for use, unlike many traditional folders with waves which require adjusting after being drawn. Excellent build quality, and ergonomic in hand. I've trained with ithe trainer version quite a bit and I can say honestly that I would trust my life to it without a doubt. Obviously it ain't gonna do you much good if your attacker has something with more reach, but if you're in close or grappling with them it can be devastating because of how versatile it is. The design also lends itself to punching because of the ring, so even if you have little training with it you could use it effectively just by getting it open and punching with it in reverse grip. Even if it doesn't cut anything, the ring will at least make contact and do some damage. Hell even just the sound of it being waved open from concealment, combined with a little flipping action k-bit style could be enough to make some one rethink their idea of choosing you as their target
If you're looking for a utility knife, however, find something else. Yes I suppose it COULD fill that role, but that's not really what it's made for, and good luck sharpening that curved blade when it eventually dulls.
No no no, and more, no! The ring could theoretically be used for light "dusting" if you braced it behind the proximal inter-phalangeal joint (PIP) (http://www.medicinenet.com/image-collection/finger_anatomy_picture/picture.htm), AKA the "second knuckle" (Doug Marcaida does this in some of his videos), but the handle is not very wide, and is close to the primary knuckle (MCP). With no bracer bar to re-distribute the force to the palmar branch of the hand (ie: bottom of the palm), the ring will press against the middle of the proximal phalanx and break your index finger. There's a reason numerous board members refer to it as a finger breaker. I've done numerous impact tests on pine boards to demonstrate this. A karambit ring maybe gets a 2mm deep dent, while knuckles barely leave a mark. A cold steel large espada leaves a 5mm deep crushing pair of holes and rips pieces of the board out with the "pommel" when using roughly the same amount of force. It's terrifying compared to the little dents a karambit ring puts into the boards. This is the difference between a light, stunning blow that opens up a 1" cut in the forehead, and shattering the skull and possibly killing the guy on the receiving end.
If, instead of a jab, hitting with the knuckles, you did a inside-hammer style haymaker (not very effective in general; you usually see them when an MMA fighter is in an overreaching mount and is hitting the top of the head of the guy on the ground), you could do some half-decent damage and greatly reduce the chances of breaking your index finger. This is all ignoring the obvious fact that you're deliberately using the safety/retention ring as a duster, and have likely committed a weapons offense regardless of where you are in Europe or North America. With a heavy punch, you can crack open cinder blocks and put 8mm deep holes in wooden planks.
As for sharpening it, you could just use a Smith multisharpener for a crude job (keychain model is useful for on-the-go sharpening), or a Lansky Crock set, which is maybe $30 on Amazon, and needs cleaning every 10 sharpenings with some Barkeeper's Friend.
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I'd much rather carry a Fox 599 than a Cold Steel anything, I've trained with the 599 and it's a great little karambit that does everything you need it to do without being either too expensive or too big. Good pocket-sized comfortable knife that'd perform similar to any other karambit out there.
Your XL cold steel is impractical to carry, ugly as deadpool, and has no advantages other than size and weight over a karambit, both of which are marks against the CS for EDC use.
Your XL cold steel is impractical to carry, ugly as deadpool, and has no advantages other than size and weight over a karambit, both of which are marks against the CS for EDC use.
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Your XL cold steel is impractical to carry
Why? Ambidextrous pocket clip, wave opening feature, solid aluminium ring instead of sandwiched liner material, fits well in the hand instead of being too tiny to hold like a Karahawk or SCH111.
Ugly as deadpool?
Is this a fashion show? Tools don't have to be pretty, and weapons are meant to be felt, not seen: intimidation is a useless tactic amonst serious fighters. Your point?
...and has no advantages other than size and weight over a karambit
It weighs 5.1oz and is on par with the Emerson Super Karambit in length. unless you weigh <100lbs, or have ridiculously tiny hands, how does this matter? If the 22KF is "too big", then your hand span is <4", and are likely still in high school. This isn't comparing a Junglas to a Bk9: weights are comparable. What functional advantages does the Fox have?
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Exactly:thumbup:
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Until you attempt to trap and the blade closes on your fingers because a piece of aluminium foil is holding it open.
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For what non-opinionated reasons?
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Because you're upset about being called out on a lack of experience in blade use? You're advising use of the retention ring in the worst way imaginable: functionally and legally. Heck, your own current signature is an ad to sell off your Fox kbit. Why?
Also, you're a child in the eyes of the law, which might explain favoring a tiny handle...
What possible relevant experience could you possess? You're not even old enough to own a proper weapon.
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