Any use for a Bridgeport in knife making

For future reference if the knife-making bug bites and doesn't let go....

The KMG is one of the best belt grinders you can buy for making knives. I only wish I could afford one at this time. Maybe in the near future. And the rotary platen attachment is something else to consider....do a search on this forum and check it out!

Have fun with that giant piece of machinary!

--nathan
 
achhhmmmmm ( the sound os throat clearing):D

Alright, alright... :rolleyes::D

I guess I should have mentioned the premier after-market accessory, THE multi-positioning attachment for the KMG grinder, the MAP ToolArm, invented, designed, engineered, manufactured, marketed, packaged, and shipped by none other than our very own Michael Kanter of Adam Michael Knives:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=466024

How's that, my friend? Can I wipe off my chin now? ;) :D
 
Here's a pic[

-Nice. For the record, mines an import Grizzly. It's something of a machine tool desert up here, and I'd have paid more for a worn-out Bridgeport than this new Grizz.

Looks like you've got a nice 2HP M-head. Not the factory-correct color, but who cares? :D

I will say you've got a bit of a score there with the Bridgeport table vise (that still has the rotary base) the factory table lamp, what looks like a phase converter for the 3PH motor (which probably means you only have 1-1/3rd HP available) and the sought-after Bridgeport Prescision Measuring Attachment, though it looks like you're missing at least the table stop.

Keep it clean and lubed, keep it away from grinding or welding sparks or dust (and/or keep it covered, an old bedsheet will do) and keep it in adjustment, and it'll outlive you and your kids.

A huge word of caution for ANYONE thinking of milling the surface of an anvil flat...

-For the record, I was only milling the table; the flat, soft spot between the horn/bick and the hardened working surface. On this anvil, that table had worn down to almost 1/4" below the top of the horn, and was heavily scarred from chisel points. (Which is what it's for, of course.)

I built it up with about four passes with a MIG, shaved it flat in the mill, and dressed the sides with grinders. The actual top working surface, I'll be levelling off with just sanders so as to not take too much meat off.

Doc.
 
the machine shop i work for has a bunch of them mills and a bunch of qoute unqoute broken ones. In other words if you take parts from one to put on another its all there. Our shop is moving and i me and a friend our gonna try our best to get 1 or 2 and fix one up. You got yourself a good little/big toy there
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Docsmachine- If you were closer I'd bribe you over with a case of your favorite beverage for some lessons. We do have it covered up though to keep the dust off. You guys have any links for beginner use on a Bridgeport?
 
Unless I missed some comments it seems nobody mentioned the #1 use for a milling machine in knifemaking - FOLDERS! :D

-Ben
 
Docsmachine- If you were closer I'd bribe you over with a case of your favorite beverage for some lessons.

-And if I were closer, I'd probably accept. :D

You guys have any links for beginner use on a Bridgeport?

-Unfortunately, that's a pretty open-ended question, sort of like "what do I need to get started making knives".

My first recommendation is to see if your local college/university has a machine shop course. I've taken the various classes at my local community college three times, and I learned a bundle each time. Either with or in place of that, see if you can find a copy of Machine Tool Operations (it's a textbook) and/or Machine Tool Practices.

Both are somewhat general, covering everything from metalcutting bandsaws to shapers, but they give theory of operation, and some simple training/practice projects. Also some good data on layout and measuring tools.

Second, register here and here, and start reading. HSM is more "home shop" friendly, PM is more geared to the industrial or professional machinist.

Use the search functions, read up on some of the existing information. Two things I'd immediately suggest looking up: How to "tram" the mill head, and proper service & maintenance of a Bridgy. (The quill, for example, needs to be lubed every time, or nearly so, more important if it sits for long periods between uses.)

After you've read for a while, then feel free to ask some questions. Don't be surprised if one or two of them get a bit grumpy and say "search around, it's been asked before"- just ignore them and wait for one of the more friendly guys to help out.

Third, get some aluminum pieces- bar and block of various sizes- and some tools. Presumably you have a collet set, and at least one endmill. (Is it sharp?) Clamp some aluminum in the vise- make sure it's all square and well secured- and cut some chips. On aluminum and light cuts, all you need is a bit of WD-40 to keep the cutter from loading up.

More on tools: You'll need at least a few collets. An M-head takes R-8 (well, most of them do, anyway) which are dirt-common. Find an ENCO catalog (or hit their website) if you don't have any. Don't bother with the 15 and 20-piece sets by 32nds, you'll never use 'em. Get 1/4", 3/8", 1/2", 5/8" and 3/4". Those'll take care of 98.7% of your milling duties.

Grab some cheap import endmills- again, some 1/8" with 3/8" shank, some 3/8"-3/8" two and four-flute, a couple of 1/2" and a 3/4" or two. Don't bother with "micrograin carbide" or TiAln/TiNitride coatings or any of that nonsense. Get the cheap stuff while you practice, because you will break 'em and/or wear 'em out. That's okay, you're s'posed to. :D

More: A dedicated drawbar wrench, and a place to hang it. Get into the habit from day one that you pull the drawbar wrench off the pin/hook, tighten or loosen the drawbar, put the wrench back on the pin. Always, always, always. Fire up the spindle with the drawbar wrench on there, and you're gonna break something, probably something expensive or painful.

Also get a 6" dial caliper, a good mechanical one (as opposed to those cheap import digitals) and learn how to read it. A 0-1" micrometer is handy. A hold-down clamp set, an import version will do, just use twice as many for big heavy jobs.

Now, go practice, practice, practice. Just like blacksmithing or knifemaking, don't be discouraged by early failures, or results that don't come out quite like you'd hoped. Spend a few minutes trying to figure out why it happened, and try it again.

Doc.
 
Wow! Good stuff there. We bought a collet set and some mills off ebay. I kinda read through your post quickly becuase I will probably come back to it a lot until I am more comfortable with our BP.
Thanks again this was great help!

If I only had started learning during my youth what I wish I knew now!
 
eBay is not, in my opinion, the best place for things like endmills, drill bits and the like. I'm also leery of collets, but in either case, it'll depend on the seller and their knowledge/description.

I tend to save eBay for the more obscure stuff (shell mills, Atlas arbors, etc.) and get "consumables" like endmills, carbide inserts and countersinks, new from places like ENCO or MSC. Look around- chances are you'll see about the same tools new at ENCO for within just a couple dollars of any eBay price, and they (enco) have an excellent return or service policy.

'Couple other things: Cleanliness is key. Dirt, chips or grit do two things; they throw off your measurements, and they wear, scratch and clog the machine's precision surfaces. Keep in mind that table is fitted to the saddle with an average clearance of less than one thousandth of an inch. A sheet of newspaper is almost three times thicker.

Keep the "ways" clean and oiled, and get into the habit of wiping them down and lightly reoiling each time you use it. Way protectors are a big help, and a "one shot" lube system is handy as heck. (Though it takes some work and nontrivial disassembly to install.)

Motor oil can be used in a pinch, but "way oil" is designed for the purpose. It's kind of expensive though, so I use way oil in my mill's one-shot, but motor oil in a pump can for the lathe.

You want the top of the table and the bottom of the vise to be as clean as possible (and very lightly oiled) and free of burrs. If you feel a nick or ding, don't be afraid to use a small fine stone to knock the high point down.

Never set tools on the table, unless you have some rags or a pad down first. It's too easy to put a small ding in the table, and that affects the surfaces' flatness. (And thus, your measurements or setup. Eventually you will be doing projects where that last thou or even half-thou will matter, so get into the habit now.)

I beat the hell out of my old JET mill-drill table before I realized what I was doing. You can see a pattern of fine scratches and nicks where I used to habitually set my wrenches, cutters and other parts. :D

Doc.
 
eBay is not, in my opinion, the best place for things like endmills, drill bits and the like. I'm also leery of collets, but in either case, it'll depend on the seller and their knowledge/description.

I tend to save eBay for the more obscure stuff (shell mills, Atlas arbors, etc.) and get "consumables" like endmills, carbide inserts and countersinks, new from places like ENCO or MSC. Look around- chances are you'll see about the same tools new at ENCO for within just a couple dollars of any eBay price, and they (enco) have an excellent return or service policy.

'Couple other things: Cleanliness is key. Dirt, chips or grit do two things; they throw off your measurements, and they wear, scratch and clog the machine's precision surfaces. Keep in mind that table is fitted to the saddle with an average clearance of less than one thousandth of an inch. A sheet of newspaper is almost three times thicker.

Keep the "ways" clean and oiled, and get into the habit of wiping them down and lightly reoiling each time you use it. Way protectors are a big help, and a "one shot" lube system is handy as heck. (Though it takes some work and nontrivial disassembly to install.)

Motor oil can be used in a pinch, but "way oil" is designed for the purpose. It's kind of expensive though, so I use way oil in my mill's one-shot, but motor oil in a pump can for the lathe.

You want the top of the table and the bottom of the vise to be as clean as possible (and very lightly oiled) and free of burrs. If you feel a nick or ding, don't be afraid to use a small fine stone to knock the high point down.

Never set tools on the table, unless you have some rags or a pad down first. It's too easy to put a small ding in the table, and that affects the surfaces' flatness. (And thus, your measurements or setup. Eventually you will be doing projects where that last thou or even half-thou will matter, so get into the habit now.)

I beat the hell out of my old JET mill-drill table before I realized what I was doing. You can see a pattern of fine scratches and nicks where I used to habitually set my wrenches, cutters and other parts. :D

Doc.

Ooohhh, noted. I guess I better stop using the table as a "table". We have a tarp over it now but a bed sheet sounds better. I am unfamiliar with most of terms you are throwing out so I guess I have some research to do.
Thanks again,
Chris
 
I am unfamiliar with most of terms you are throwing out so I guess I have some research to do.

-No worries. It's like any other large industry, it has it's own language and terminology.

And actually, that's part of the problem. "Using a Bridgeport" is kind of like asking how to "use a car". What will you be doing, driving to get groceries? Driving a Taxi? Racing NASCAR? Racing Paris-Dakar? Hauling tourists down The Strip in Vegas?

If all you needed to do is set up to, say, install scope rings to old Mauser receivers, that'd be easy. We could tool you up in a hurry.

But things like mills and lathes are essentially foundational tools- you use them to make parts and tools for almost everything else. As such, there are effectively infinite ways you can use and tool the machines.

Anyway, not to talk your ear off, so here's that book I mentioned- Amazon doesn't seem to have the other version I mentioned, but lists several with a similar name. This one I seem to recall was fairly well recommended, but given the age, has little about the vertical mill- which really only came into widespread use well after WW2. But the sections on measuring and whatnot are useful. I haven't read it myself, I'm only going by what I've heard.

There's also this one, this one and this one. Again, I haven't read any of them personally, but they've all been recommended to me at least once.

Doc.
 
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