Any weightlifters or martial-artists here?

Steve look at.

www.crossfit.com

www.rosstraining.com

and never look back.

Much reading on these sites. I have yet to find one person who got into this type of training that did not wish they gave up the Mac gym type of workouts years earlier.

weightlifing can of course be cardio and burn tons of fat. I'm 48 y/o and my resting pulse rate taken via an EKG is 44 beats per minute. You'll never find me on a bike, stairmaster or ski machine the farthest I run is 1/2 mile (interval training). You will find me doing non stop rounds of cleans, chins,dips,kettlebell work,deadlifts,push press etc.My pulse while doing weights will hit 160-180 my lungs screaming and my shirt soaked.

While the folks doing "cardio" will be mostly dry,drinking coffee and reading magizines or talking while "workingout "

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+1 on Lone Hunter's suggestions as well. FUNCTIONAL fitness and conditioning not emphasizing "bulk" or limited range of movement.
 
weightlifing can of course be cardio and burn tons of fat. I'm 48 y/o and my resting pulse rate taken via an EKG is 44 beats per minute. You'll never find me on a bike, stairmaster or ski machine the farthest I run is 1/2 mile (interval training). You will find me doing non stop rounds of cleans, chins,dips,kettlebell work,deadlifts,push press etc.My pulse while doing weights will hit 160-180 my lungs screaming and my shirt soaked.

While the folks doing "cardio" will be mostly dry,drinking coffee and reading magizines or talking while "workingout "

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My resting HR is 55, maxes out at about 190, so I know where you're coming from. The key to successful weight training is to mix endurance and power- doing several sets of differing weights does more good than single sets of max weight.
 
Hey really cant say enough about rossboxing.com.Also an excellent resource is underground strength coach...Sandbags,sledgehammers,rocks,Tires, bodywieght its all there....and kettlebells, my favorite....
 
Wow... these are helpful replies. The cardio and boxing stuff makes sense.

What should I look for in a gym and/or fitness club?
A lot of good advice given by the good folks here.

If I was to look for a gym, two items of primary importance would be: 1) ease of commuting and 2) how at ease I felt in the gym.

1. If it is too far away, it will too easy to justify skipping today's workout because you don't have time.

2. If the gym is full of testosterone loaded 20 somethings frowning or growling at anyone unable to bench 400 lbs, it might not be the gym for me. If you don't like the atmosphere, again it will be too easy to talk yourself out of it.

3. Good clean showers, secure lockers, a place that doesn't demand all sorts of crazy fees, clean/well maintained equipment. Not to crowded during the times you plan to work out.
 
If you're picking a commercial gym see if the offer guest passes, these are pretty cheap or free, and allow you to see how a gym really operates.

1) Ask a lot of questions about rules. Some gym won't allow certain types of lifting like Powerlifting or Olympic style weight lifting. Also they may have dress codes or sound level rules. Also check out the hours of operation.

2) Check out the other members. I've seen plenty of folks disheartened when they find out their gym is also a prime gay cruising spot:).

3) Check out the equiptment, do they have enough of it, and is it well maintained. I like to see a good selection of power racks, and heavy dumbbells(up to #150, atleast). A 85 or 100 pound dumbbell may seem like a lot now, but in a few years you might need heavier, and it sucks to wait a half hour to use the club's one bench press:). I also like to see that the bars and pully machines are well taken care of.

4) Also check out how long the gym's been open, and if its rates are close to the area average. You can find deals for certain gyms, but a common scam is for a new gym to open up, charge low rates, then close. Leaving the customers holding the bag.

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You might also consider building a home gym, a good basic one should only cost $750-1000 . It might seem like a lot, but that's only 2-3 years of memberships at a commercial gym.,
 
I have to admit, our local "gyms" are called fitness clubs... whatever that means. We have a YMCA and know of guys that work out there... but I hear about the high-schoolers coming in after school and taking over.

I've done some reading at the above links... makes sense to me. I am gonna try to get a program in place within a few weeks. My diet needs a little more fine-tuning.

steve
 
dont get to hung up on a gym.and heavy wieghts...master your own weight first. Karl Gotchs conditionig 1 and 2 is an excellent resource...Steve Maxwells "300" dvd looks very promising and that guy is a in shape mofo at 54 ..he was my senior instructor for my KB cert .Just cant tell you how much respect I have for that guy.

precision nutrition works...look it up
 
I have to admit, our local "gyms" are called fitness clubs... whatever that means. We have a YMCA and know of guys that work out there... but I hear about the high-schoolers coming in after school and taking over.

I've done some reading at the above links... makes sense to me. I am gonna try to get a program in place within a few weeks. My diet needs a little more fine-tuning.

steve

The "Fitness center" title could mean something or it could mean nothing. I've seen great gyms called that simply because they thought the fitness center title might bring them in some extra business from the older and soccer mom crowd that might be intimidated by a traditional gym.

The YMCA's are actually pretty good usually, the kids might be a problem, or not. While they do raid gyms, they usually stick to one area, and are gone by the start of the school year.

Diet is a huge part of getting in shape, just ease into your new program and diet slowly and you'll be o.k. .

:).
 
"Fitness Center" could also imply a pool, basketball and squash courts, and cute massage girls.
 
First I am biased because I own gyms for a living. Also an exercise physiologist.

If you want to lose fat you need to create a calorie deficit. This can be done by either limiting calorie intake (food) and doing cardio; or just limiting calories. Both have the same effect. Doing cardio alone for weight loss typically does not work.

You also need to strength train, especially if you are 40+. The average person who does not strength train loses 1/2 pound of muscle per year after age 20. At 40, that makes 10 pounds of lean body mass gone. Muscle burns 30-50 calories PER POUND PER DAY just by being there (not counting exercise). That means your metabolism decreased by 300-500 cal per day since age 20.

If you do not strength train when you diet, up to half the weight lost can be muscle mass. This lowers you metabolism further and makes it harder to keep weight off. Cardio/running/swimming does nothing to help maintain muscle mass while dieting.

Not going to get into specific programs, but if it takes more than 1-1 1/2 hours and has you doing more than 12-15 reps per set, it isn't strength training.

Bottom line cut your calories and start a balanced exercise program including strength training. A gym is a good place to start, but there are other ways.
 
I second the cross fit methods, as work outs are different every day. Uses your body weight for push ups, pullups, but also kettlebells, and non-stop action. I'm in and out in 30-45 minutes, and work up a great sweat.

I also put a pull up bar in my garage, and hit that multiple times a day, plus pull ups, etc. also agree with the daily walks, and carry a 6' waxwood staff that I use to fend of the many loose dogs in my area, plus move that around constantly to just work the arms more than a regular walk.
 
Along with exercise & diet changes i'd recommend supplementing with these two items:
- A high quality/molecularly distilled cod liver oil supplement coupled with a flaxseed oil supplement with lignans, one of the best things you can take for your heart!!
- And organic apple cider vinegar(bragg's brand) take a teaspoon 2 - 3 times a day, will help regulate your body's ph/helps with blood sugar/enzymes/lot's more to list.
http://www.bragg.com/FAQ/faq_applecider.html

Hope this helps,
Darrell..................
 
not to hijack the thread but Im surprised to see so many kettlebell fans here...or not..I suppose.
 
First I am biased because I own gyms for a living. Also an exercise physiologist.

If you want to lose fat you need to create a calorie deficit. This can be done by either limiting calorie intake (food) and doing cardio; or just limiting calories. Both have the same effect. Doing cardio alone for weight loss typically does not work.

You also need to strength train, especially if you are 40+. The average person who does not strength train loses 1/2 pound of muscle per year after age 20. At 40, that makes 10 pounds of lean body mass gone. Muscle burns 30-50 calories PER POUND PER DAY just by being there (not counting exercise). That means your metabolism decreased by 300-500 cal per day since age 20.

If you do not strength train when you diet, up to half the weight lost can be muscle mass. This lowers you metabolism further and makes it harder to keep weight off. Cardio/running/swimming does nothing to help maintain muscle mass while dieting.

Not going to get into specific programs, but if it takes more than 1-1 1/2 hours and has you doing more than 12-15 reps per set, it isn't strength training.

Bottom line cut your calories and start a balanced exercise program including strength training. A gym is a good place to start, but there are other ways.



Listen to this man!

There is no magic diet. There is no magic exercise program. There is no magic supliments. Eat less and/or exercise more.

Know this:

First) he number of skeletal muscle fibers in your body is thought to be genetically determined. That hasn't been proven yet, but, thus far, all attempts to increase muscle fiber count by diet, drugs, and exercise have failed. There were a number of studies done by scientists at big-name universities and published in prestigious journals in the 60s and 70s showing that the number of fibers did increase in response to training. The methods used to count the number of fibers were flawed. Those studies have been discredited. And yet you still see them cited. Muscle increase their visible mass in response to training because the existing fibers get bigger. So, when you hear people say that you need to take a certain supliment or exercise in a certain way to build more muscle fibers, that is bunk. This finding has a very unpleasant conclusion which the folks who sell muscle building products and services don't want you know: in most sports, an athlete with more muscle fibers has an advantage. Nowhere is this more true than in power lifting and in competitive body building. As a result, great athletes are born, not made.

Second) Skeletal muscle fibers divide into five types which can be further categorized into just two types: Fast-twitch and slow-twitch. Fast-twitch fibers produce fast, powerful contractions, but they exhaust quickly. Slow-twitch are slower and less-powerful, but they have endurance. It's impossible to prove a negative, but, thus far, nobody has been able to show that any program of diet, exercise, or drugs can change a muscle fiber's type. This is also apparently genetically pre-determined. If your body has all fast-twitch fibers, you will never be a great marathon runner; give it up. No diet, no exercise, no drugs known change it. Most people have a roughly equal mixture of all five fiber types. The occational freak will be virtually entirely one type. One of the fast-twitch fiber types increases in size most dramatically in response to training. If your body has a large number of fibers most of which are that fiber type, then you have the genetic potential to be a great body builder. One of the fast-twitch fiber types is the strongest of all. If your body has a large number of fibers most of which are that type, then you have the genetic potential to be a great power lifter. So, again, we reach that same unpleasant conclusion: great athletes are born, not made.

Third) Skeletal muscles attach to bones. While the exact time is not know, sometime in early childhood, perhaps when you're just a few months old, that position relative to the overall size of the bone is fixed. No exercise, diet, or drugs will move it. Flex your own bicep and look at how close it is to the elbow joint. On some people, the bicep virtually attaches at the elbow itself. On other people, it's almost two inches back. If you want to be a great body building, you must have long muscles attached close to the joints. But, that same trait also makes you stronger overall. So, again, we reach that same unpleasant conclusion: great athletes are born, not made.

Does all of this mean that you shouldn't exercise? Absolutely not. But, be realistic in your expectations. The "fitness" industry and culture tells you that if you're not Mr. America material after using this machine or taking this supliment for six months, then it's your fault; you must be doing it right or training hard enough or taking the right pills or eating the right things. Be realistic.


The guy in the picture is my father
 
This is excellent info. My priorities are as such...

1- change diet

2- start a cardio excercise routine

3- (maybe) begin a martial arts/boxing program

I might start running and find I like that and stop there. Who knows. I'm looking for a gym in my area that is affordable, but my options are *very* limited.

BTW- we have no honest-to-goodness boxing gyms within a reasonable driving distance. There is, however, six karate schools, but no real boxing gyms.

Sucks to be me.

steve
 
This is excellent info. My priorities are as such...

1- change diet

2- start a cardio excercise routine

3- (maybe) begin a martial arts/boxing program

I might start running and find I like that and stop there. Who knows. I'm looking for a gym in my area that is affordable, but my options are *very* limited.

BTW- we have no honest-to-goodness boxing gyms within a reasonable driving distance. There is, however, six karate schools, but no real boxing gyms.

Sucks to be me.

steve

1. Change diet is important....think about what you eat, as well as how much. Leave yourself room for the occasional splurge, but don't go nuts. Chicken, Turkey and Salmon are all excellent substitutes for pork and beef.

2. Boxing gyms are not common, but you might check at universities, American Legion halls or juijitsu dojos.

3. Road running will KILL your knees...look for something less damaging.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
This is excellent info. My priorities are as such...

1- change diet

2- start a cardio excercise routine

3- (maybe) begin a martial arts/boxing program

I might start running and find I like that and stop there. Who knows. I'm looking for a gym in my area that is affordable, but my options are *very* limited.

BTW- we have no honest-to-goodness boxing gyms within a reasonable driving distance. There is, however, six karate schools, but no real boxing gyms.

Sucks to be me.

steve

Real Boxing gyms are in the hood.
Find the worst neighborhood in your area and look there.
Search out PAL programs.
YMCA often has Judo programs which are also good.

Boxing and Judo are both olympic sports so you can find government run programs for free or dirt cheap.
As they are competive sports the actual use in combat is often better than the traditional kata based advanced dance classes that pass for martial arts.
If I had the 1,000 a year many schools want I would seek out and or drive whatever distance to a Bjj school.
Other wise the local judo or boxing club is the way to go.
 
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