Anybody break an Ang Khola???

UGA Dawg said:
Will there ever be anything that will be unbreakable?????
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Not only is there anything available that is unbreakable, it can burn too.

The reason for the exception is Unobtanium or Neutronium. Hmmm I don't suppose a black hole is breakable, but they can evaporate through Hawking Radiation.

NEVER trust absolutes!
 
UGA Dawg said:
Will there ever be anything that will be unbreakable?????
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You put your average, straight leg, grunt soldier, in a padded cell, with two steel ball bearings, he'll break one and lose the other one, so you tell me.

Sarge
 
Roger that.

That is why the "ideal" soldier's knife should be, among many other things, inexpensive...since Joe will break or lose it, or maybe lose it after it's broken.

john
 
You put your average, straight leg, grunt soldier, in a padded cell, with two steel ball bearings, he'll break one and lose the other one, so you tell me>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sarge

And at least one of the ball bearings will be temporarily unavailable for 12 to 48 hours...but will re- appear under murky conditions.



munk
 
Sylvrfalcn said:
I remember that one Heber, chopping some wood on a camping trip, AK glanced off a hunk of firewood, and made a pretty nasty incision on your left forearm. I'm guessing nowadays you roll up your sleeve and tell all the pretty girls about the time you fought the mountain lion. ;)
Just kidding, hope it healed up well, and glad to see you taking time to caution others about what can happen. It's like I used to tell my guys, "learn from other people's mistakes, 'cause you won't live long enough to make 'em all yourself". :D

Sarge
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Sarge and Jake, the arm is doing pretty good. Not fully healed but getting there. Can still feel changes in the weather in both my wrist and Elbow. Am just hoping that people can learn from my mistakes and not repeat them.
 
I thought my wifes heart was the hardest thing known to man.Especially after I infomed her what a great deal I recieved from HI and already was planning the next purchase. :D

shearer
 
Let's just say this, I keep an HI khukuri AND a Busse Battle Mistress in the trunk... that way I'm covered no matter what :D
 
Hard is not the same thing as tough or strong.

Diamond is very hard, as is carbide, but it is brittle and can shatter.

I think that this has been a problem with some ceramic blades.
You can make something very hard, but it may not be as tough.
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Arty defined the problem. You can make many items practically unbreakable, but they will be of limited use as knives because they will have to be too massive or brittle or dull.

If you get a big Mission titanium knife, you would find it almost impossible to break, and it could cut reasonably well, but not keep a sharp edge as well as steel. Ceramic blades can be made extremely sharp but are so fragile that dropping them on the floor can shatter them.

"Unbreakable" is not a problem of technology but of physics.
 
I know this is completely changing the subject again, but have any of yall put airkat to the test???? I read the thread of 01 Trident in action and an airkat m1 broke at 1600 kilograms, if you don`t understand this number, thats over 1 ton. I don`t know if this guy is lying but hes a soldier and he`s in Poland. Am I seeing things or am I reading wrong??? Can, an Ang Khola handle this weight????
 
I doubt he measured the strength of the knife in action. He probably clamped it in a vise and hung weights from it till it broke.

This is very different from the amount of shock needed to damage a blade when it's chopped into different materials.

The same amount of force on a short blade is different from that at the end of a longer blade.

How big is the aircat and what is its use, compared to a khukri, for example, or to an ordinary small fixed blade like a Helle Nying?
 
Esav Benyamin said:
I doubt he measured the strength of the knife in action. He probably clamped it in a vise and hung weights from it till it broke.

This is very different from the amount of shock needed to damage a blade when it's chopped into different materials.

The same amount of force on a short blade is different from that at the end of a longer blade.

How big is the aircat and what is its use, compared to a khukri, for example, or to an ordinary small fixed blade like a Helle Nying?
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I agree with Esav. That's about 3500 pounds which makes sense. A regular 4"x 3/8" lag bolt screwed into a stud has a lateral shear strength of around 12-1500 lbs. anyway. I built a big 6' long by 5' tall book case years ago with ledger strips at 90 degrees to the back of the shelves, and mounted it high on a wall with over a thousand pounds of books on it, and held it in place with 12 of those lag bolts thru the strips. I had to sand the wall first and check with a level to make sure it was flat so that the bookcase would not pull itself apart conforming to the wall. It was quite a sight to see this massive thing full of encyclopedias and other big books suspended on the wall 4' above the ground. But those bolts combined could have held several times that weight I'm sure.

That's like on the Cold Steel videos where they hang several hundred pounds off of their Trailmaster or Voyager knives that are stuck in a vice. You know a khuk is one hell of a lot stronger than one of those knives.

Norm
 
It was the Airkat M1 scout. I don`t exactly know the intended use. It was one heck of an ugly knife. Check em out at airkatknives.com. I don`t necassarily think I`d want one. They say the airkat fixed blades are going for over 1000 dollars.
 
Wow. That thing is really ugly. You can bet I won't be owning one. (even if they were affordable).

mike
 
Yvsa said:
... Most of us average to large size fellers like the 17"-18" AK over the others. It's the best all around AK....
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A point of clarification: On most of these forums when someone refers to a six inch fighter, or 9 inch bowie; they are talking about the blade length. On the HI forum a 17 inch AK refers to the total straight linear distance between the point and the pommel. It referes to the OAL of the knife; A 17-18 inch AK has an 11-12 inch blade.

n2s
 
I had the handle break off of an 18" AK. I also had about a 1/16 X 1" section of edge fall off of the same knife. I believe it was over hardened and brittle in that area. I replaced the handle and ground the edge back and it's ok!
 
hollowdweller said:
I had the handle break off of an 18" AK. I also had about a 1/16 X 1" section of edge fall off of the same knife. I believe it was over hardened and brittle in that area. I replaced the handle and ground the edge back and it's ok!
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We'll count this as half a break. So that makes two and a half so far? :) Like I said, I honestly can't see one of these breaking under normal, or even pretty abnormal, use.

With regards to the Airkat knives, I stopped reading after I saw that the blade was 154cm. That (if nothing else) disqualifies it as super strong knife in my eyes, even if it's shaped in the ubertactical "sharpened crowbar with a paint scraper at the end" configuration that seems all too common these days. :barf: (While I can't prove it, I have a suspicion that the "Mall Ninja Americanized Tanto from Hell" blade configuration is a direct result of people expecting stainless to do things that it was never meant to do. YMMV.)

1/4" 154cm vs. 3/8" differentially hardened 5160? All things being equal (and right from the start they're anything but equal) this isn't even a contest where strength is concerned. My money's on the AK.

That, and they're so ugly that they make my teeth hurt when I look at them. This is probably the most important thing when you get right down to it. :)
 
I stopped reading after I saw that the blade was 154cm. That (if nothing else) disqualifies it as super strong knife in my eyes
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There is nothing wrong with 154CM, ATS-134; you can make a very good large knife from that steel.

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This one by Edmund Davidson in the mid 1980s still looks pretty good after two African Safaris.

The steel is only part of the equation. Start with a good cutlery steel, use the right heat treat and geometry, and the knife will perform. The best thing about HI khukuries is that they only use 5160 and they have perfected the process of making large knives from this material over time.

n2s
 
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