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what's an assault shotgun?
the world is not black or white.... don't paint me as either please....
Just becauce I disagree with the way the NRA is handling anything doesn't
mean that I'm an anti gunner. I want to defend my home, I just don't want to have any unfortuante incidents. Just because I don't want any miscreatan with $400 to be able to get a fal or a hk (you can cut trees down with one, I have done it) doesn't mean I don't want one and haven't enjoy them. Things just are not that simple in this world. There are a lot of people who shouldn't be allowed cars in my opinion either.... just don't have the mental capacity/ disposition or dicipline to handle the power of the destructive nature of the device .
It's not really that strange of a concept, you wouldn't want just any country to have atomic weapons either would you? It's really not such a big leap....
Just becauce I disagree with the way the NRA is handling anything doesn't
mean that I'm an anti gunner. I want to defend my home, I just don't want to have any unfortuante incidents. Just because I don't want any miscreatan with $400 to be able to get a fal or a hk (you can cut trees down with one, I have done it) doesn't mean I don't want one and haven't enjoy them. Things just are not that simple in this world. There are a lot of people who shouldn't be allowed cars in my opinion either.... just don't have the mental capacity/ disposition or dicipline to handle the power of the destructive nature of the device .
It's not really that strange of a concept, you wouldn't want just any country to have atomic weapons either would you? It's really not such a big leap....
I like the idea of magizines, but from what I understand they don't work too well especially after being loaded for a while.
Semiauto is alway nice.
folding stock would be nice too.
Last time I checked the berretta were over the $1000 mark and that is too much for something that just sits most of the time. My eyesight is getting worse and I fear the pistols won't make it any more. I can't seem to practice enough.
I love the 870's , but they are a bit expensive , I had an ithica at one time
but I pulled the trigger mechanism and it was nothing but sheetmetal and
plastic . Didn't trust it.. I was hopping to find a nice 3 inch chamber 12 or
10 gauge, pump with a folding stock. I just don't have the time to keep up anymore....... suggestions appreciated....
Semiauto is alway nice.
folding stock would be nice too.
Last time I checked the berretta were over the $1000 mark and that is too much for something that just sits most of the time. My eyesight is getting worse and I fear the pistols won't make it any more. I can't seem to practice enough.
I love the 870's , but they are a bit expensive , I had an ithica at one time
but I pulled the trigger mechanism and it was nothing but sheetmetal and
plastic . Didn't trust it.. I was hopping to find a nice 3 inch chamber 12 or
10 gauge, pump with a folding stock. I just don't have the time to keep up anymore....... suggestions appreciated....
Brantoken, there are limits on the second amendment. but frankly, if you're willing to exclude semi auto rifles while wondering about mag capacity shotguns, I don't want you to have a shot gun.
You say things like, "you can cut down trees with an HK." This makes me think you really don't know very much about weapons. Yes, you could cut down a tree with a semi auto rifle, but it would take a long, long time. It would cost a lot of money in cartridges. It would heat the barrel unneccesarily hot. Billy Graham's son tried cutting down a tree in his backyard with an Automatic weapon. "Took a lot lot longer than I thought it would," he said later.
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Dan Koster- very good question. I don't think there is one- that is, an automatic shotgun used by any forces. I could be wrong. Spectre or Rusty are up on that. There are semi auto and pump military style shotguns. They usually have a bayonet lug and capacity can be up to around 9. Mossberg made a pretty neat Military shotgun when they got the contract years ago. It's on their 590 series reciever, if I've recalled that correctly. Barrel length is short, the military having at times less than the 16" mandated for us, but most are around 16" to 18"
There were some shot guns like the LAW12 and such with drum mags- these were labled 'destructive devices' by the BATF under Clinton.
You can take your bird gun, cut the barrel to 16, attach a longer mag tube, with or without new plastic speedloader stock, and have a military style shotgun.
Benelli cycles faster than any other. Remington pump is old reliable. The 590 Mossberg pump is the one I always wanted- built like a tank and fully equiped. You could knock a horse down just by a blow from the forearm, the weapon weighs so much!!!
munk
You say things like, "you can cut down trees with an HK." This makes me think you really don't know very much about weapons. Yes, you could cut down a tree with a semi auto rifle, but it would take a long, long time. It would cost a lot of money in cartridges. It would heat the barrel unneccesarily hot. Billy Graham's son tried cutting down a tree in his backyard with an Automatic weapon. "Took a lot lot longer than I thought it would," he said later.
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Dan Koster- very good question. I don't think there is one- that is, an automatic shotgun used by any forces. I could be wrong. Spectre or Rusty are up on that. There are semi auto and pump military style shotguns. They usually have a bayonet lug and capacity can be up to around 9. Mossberg made a pretty neat Military shotgun when they got the contract years ago. It's on their 590 series reciever, if I've recalled that correctly. Barrel length is short, the military having at times less than the 16" mandated for us, but most are around 16" to 18"
There were some shot guns like the LAW12 and such with drum mags- these were labled 'destructive devices' by the BATF under Clinton.
You can take your bird gun, cut the barrel to 16, attach a longer mag tube, with or without new plastic speedloader stock, and have a military style shotgun.
Benelli cycles faster than any other. Remington pump is old reliable. The 590 Mossberg pump is the one I always wanted- built like a tank and fully equiped. You could knock a horse down just by a blow from the forearm, the weapon weighs so much!!!
munk
can be used with bird shot or buckshot, it doesn't carry 5 miles like a
high powered rifle, also you don't have to be too good of a shot.
So if you don't get the opportunity to practice a lot, you can still hit what
you meaning to.
You can select the ammo for the proper effective range,
In other word, If I shoot in my yard or house, I won't kill anybody
on the next block by accident. That's why police use them.
With 0-0 buck a pump or semiauto can throw as much lead ( weight vs time) as a sub machine gun.
Also you can vary the load from say bird shot to slugs, depending on the amount of power, penitration you need at the moment, once again limiting the
potential for damage to bystanders. Best possible home defense you can buy with exposing the neighbor hood to unforutnate incidents.
high powered rifle, also you don't have to be too good of a shot.
So if you don't get the opportunity to practice a lot, you can still hit what
you meaning to.
You can select the ammo for the proper effective range,
In other word, If I shoot in my yard or house, I won't kill anybody
on the next block by accident. That's why police use them.
With 0-0 buck a pump or semiauto can throw as much lead ( weight vs time) as a sub machine gun.
Also you can vary the load from say bird shot to slugs, depending on the amount of power, penitration you need at the moment, once again limiting the
potential for damage to bystanders. Best possible home defense you can buy with exposing the neighbor hood to unforutnate incidents.
I'm sure glad your not in charge, the price of disagreement is high. But I'm sure your equally glad I'm not in charge either. Maybe you should spend some time outside of "Wayne's World".
I meant what I said, and if you think about it I sure you'll agree as well.
I guess you moved from L.A. because the neighborhoods were better where you are? OR what about the thought of some Korean grocier opening up and taking out people half a city block away?
it doesn't take as long as might think , you have to aim too....try it if you don't believe me, First time I saw it done was with a M60 on a live fire they took down a 24 inch pine on a fpl because it was just in the way, a couple of us did it with some 308 semiauto pretty quickly on a off day just to see if it could be done(ok we were board).... Place the rounds like you would a chop. Had access to lots of cheap ammo then, 6 inch tree 30 or 40 well placed rounds....
I meant what I said, and if you think about it I sure you'll agree as well.
I guess you moved from L.A. because the neighborhoods were better where you are? OR what about the thought of some Korean grocier opening up and taking out people half a city block away?
it doesn't take as long as might think , you have to aim too....try it if you don't believe me, First time I saw it done was with a M60 on a live fire they took down a 24 inch pine on a fpl because it was just in the way, a couple of us did it with some 308 semiauto pretty quickly on a off day just to see if it could be done(ok we were board).... Place the rounds like you would a chop. Had access to lots of cheap ammo then, 6 inch tree 30 or 40 well placed rounds....
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I have been schooled (offline) in the ways of the assault shotgun.
Still, not an auto, though....that would seem to be a pretty mean weapon....
Still, not an auto, though....that would seem to be a pretty mean weapon....
Brantoken, I am VERY glad I'm not in charge. I have a hard enough time just riding along in the Boat.
But look at this- people often point to one kind of gun and say; "why does anyone need one of those?"
I think the semi auto limit is reasonable- that is, semi auto weapons with extra mag capacity. If pushed, I'd be more than willing to accept FULL AUTO, since par with the typical ground soldier is what a militia is, and what every able bodied man belongs to in this Nation.
didn't say I wanted everybody to have one, just me!>>>>>>>>Brantoken
Kidding or not, Bran, this is the problem. The shotgun you want is no less destructive than the weapons you want to ban. And everyone thinks they should be an exception- just ask Feinstein about her weapons!
munk
But look at this- people often point to one kind of gun and say; "why does anyone need one of those?"
I think the semi auto limit is reasonable- that is, semi auto weapons with extra mag capacity. If pushed, I'd be more than willing to accept FULL AUTO, since par with the typical ground soldier is what a militia is, and what every able bodied man belongs to in this Nation.
didn't say I wanted everybody to have one, just me!>>>>>>>>Brantoken
Kidding or not, Bran, this is the problem. The shotgun you want is no less destructive than the weapons you want to ban. And everyone thinks they should be an exception- just ask Feinstein about her weapons!
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If you want bargain "assault", get a Saiga-12. They come in several flavors, but all bargain priced, detachable-mag AK reliable goodness.
If you want functional, you could always do what I did- get a Remington, Mossberg, or Nova slide-action with a 18-21" barrel, ghost ring sight, and phosphate finish.
I've made shots on running deer through extremely thick cover with slugs with my Mossy. I don't remember seeing my sights, so be sure you have a stock that fits you well. My only alteration has been changing the factory stock out for an Outers Cadet (shorter LOP), and adding a cheap synthetic sling.
John
If you want functional, you could always do what I did- get a Remington, Mossberg, or Nova slide-action with a 18-21" barrel, ghost ring sight, and phosphate finish.
I've made shots on running deer through extremely thick cover with slugs with my Mossy. I don't remember seeing my sights, so be sure you have a stock that fits you well. My only alteration has been changing the factory stock out for an Outers Cadet (shorter LOP), and adding a cheap synthetic sling.
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Hard to beat a Mossberg 500 which is what I have. It's a nice pump with double rails and can be rapidly unloaded with accurately placed rounds. Number 6 shot is ideal in a house as it doesn't tear up your walls too badly.
But everyone forgets the lowly .410 guage that's as powerful as a .44 Mag. I once saw a Marlin .410 lever gun that I would have given my left pinkie for!
It would be a perfect house defense gun!
But everyone forgets the lowly .410 guage that's as powerful as a .44 Mag. I once saw a Marlin .410 lever gun that I would have given my left pinkie for!
It would be a perfect house defense gun!
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Winchester makes a .410 lever that's really cool, but it would be far down on the list of weapons I'd want for home defense.
12 Gauge is cheaper and easier to find, besides being much more powerful.
I had a friend who was shot at only a few feet with a .410 loaded w/ birdshot when he was young. It was close, but he lived. Had he been hit w/ 12 gauge...no way.
John
12 Gauge is cheaper and easier to find, besides being much more powerful.
I had a friend who was shot at only a few feet with a .410 loaded w/ birdshot when he was young. It was close, but he lived. Had he been hit w/ 12 gauge...no way.
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I bet a 6" tree wouldn't last very long against a semi-auto shotgun loaded with slugs or 00 buck.
"A SHOTGUN loaded with this dangerous ammunition is like firing NINE 30 caliber bullets at the target! Do law-abiding citizens NEED these??" you can hear it now...
"A SHOTGUN loaded with this dangerous ammunition is like firing NINE 30 caliber bullets at the target! Do law-abiding citizens NEED these??" you can hear it now...