anybody know where I could get..

Mr.BadExample said:
..I bet a 6" tree wouldn't last very long against a semi-auto shotgun loaded with slugs or 00 buck...
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I was driving on a dirt road through the woods. The road was covered with wet leaves and was very slippery. As I turned a corner to go up a slight grade, I slid off the road and down against a tree about six inches in diameter. I couldn't go forward up the grade because it was too slick, and I couldn't back out because the tree was in the way.

I had no tools with me, but I did have my 12 GA shotgun. I don't remember what I was hunting, or what size shot I was using, but a couple of rounds was all it took to remove the tree and let me get on my way.
 
Spectre said:
I had a friend who was shot at only a few feet with a .410 loaded w/ birdshot when he was young. It was close, but he lived. Had he been hit w/ 12 gauge...no way.

John
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Yep, but you have to aim a .410 like a rifle or you're gonna miss. I agree that a 12 gauge is better for people who panic and can't aim. I think a 3" .410 shell loaded with 00 only holds like 3 of them ainnit, or is it four?:D
 
munk said:
Mossberg made a pretty neat Military shotgun when they got the contract years ago. It's on their 590 series reciever, if I've recalled that correctly. Barrel length is short, the military having at times less than the 16" mandated for us, but most are around 16" to 18"

munk
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Munk unless things have changed lately the legal length for a sawed off or short barreled shotgun is 18" and that's measured from the front of the chamber.
A 3" 12 gauge measured from the breech would have to be 21" to be legal for the general public.
The old shotgun I cut down after calling the local LEOs and FBI was 18-1/4" from the front of the chamber just to be on the safe side.
It was an odd old gun. A 12 gauge fit in it just fine but if you shot the high brass modern ammo in it the brass would swell so bad that the spent shell could hardly be removed. The old low brass ammo worked just fine and was adequate for my hunting needs. It was one helluva brush gun being as short as it was.:D
I never had a 10 gauge to compare it with but I often wondered, but figured the old gun was just worn out.
I had to make a new firing pin and ejector for it as the originals were long gone no telling where.
 
The sound of a pump shotgun chambering a round, should deter anyone with half a brain. The last thing I'd want to go to trial and explain to a jury - is a black, folding stock, extended magazine "assault shotgun" with a laser sight and tactical light. Mine is a very pretty, and very stock, skeet grade, 20 gauge 870.
 
Home protection firearm?
You are right that a high-powered rifle is too much for inside the house.
Shotguns, pistols, short swords, khukuris and baseball bats are best for inside.

I used to have all kinds of theories, but then I just started asking cops.
what do cops use?
They usually keep their service pistol or a different one next to the bed.

Of course, a 12, 16, or 20 gauge shotgun would be good too.
Depending on whther or not you want to kill or just incapacitate, you could load with #1 (the best for killing close) or rock salt.

The #1 most important thing is training. Safety and training and having a good plan for such an emergency.
Like: Where is the phone?
Where is a safe place to hide?
What should the kids do?


I bought my mom a Charter Arms bulldog in 44 special. Powerful, not much recoil, easy to shoot, relatively safe.
 
I had a 20 ga. Auto 5 Browning ( 4+1 ) I bought and left for lunch while the guy who sold it chopped it back to 18 1/2" and remounted the front bead. It handles like an M1 Carbine. I'd rather have it than a 12 ga. inside the house.
 
sounds perfect!
(especially with the shorter rounds that they used to sell SWAT guys that allow an 8 rd tube to hold 10 or 11)
 
You could always do what my Uncle does. He loads a couple different grades types of ammo into his 12 gauge pump action shotgun in case someone breaks into his house. The first two rounds are loaded with rock salt. The next round is bird shot. The rest are 00 shot. He figures that one or two rounds of rock salt will probably deter just about anything on two or four legs. If they still want some after that, a concentrated pattern of bird shot to the gut, chest or even legs should stop them. If they're nuts enough to keep on coming, he turns them into fishing sinkers with the 00 shot. He figures that at least gives him a legal leg to stand on in court if he has to shoot someone. Also, the man can unload five rounds out of that gun in the blink of an eye and put them anywhere he wants. If someone NEEDS the 00 shot put into them in short order, he'll have unloaded the first three rounds before they even know hit them. I understand the idea of wanting hi cap mags, but when it comes to my personal home defense, i can't imagine needing more than 5 shots in a 12 gauge to get the job done.

Jake
 
cliff355 said:
Gents, I have at least one each of all the deadly items mentioned but the thing I'm most likely to grab inside the house is my can of OC spray.
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couldn't agree more.....have 2 myself....one for me, one for the missus. ;)


Just on the news a week or so ago, a guy shot his daughter (an adult), thinking she was an intruder. Had he hit her with OC, she would have just had a short trip to the ER, rather than to the morgue. :grumpy:
 
Socks are to protect and comfort your feet, but you don't rely solely upon them to protect your feet when out in the world do you? Most of us wear shoes, boots, or at the least sandals as well.

I stand by me previous post, depending upon one weapon, or attack or even one world view is, in the unlikely and unwanted event of an assault or attack, perhaps suicidal.

That's my opinion and I'm sticking with it, unless I change it.
 
Pepper spray sounds great. But if the assailent in my home is armed, I'd rather not wait for his distress over his airways. I'm thinking in a indoor setting Pepper spray, or perhaps many gases, would affect me too.

It is very tragic when someone shoots a house member. Thank goodness such incidents are rare.


munk
 
happens more often in the south....or so I've read.....:confused:
 
I understand one of the techniques for OC indoors in the case of an intruder is to lay down a barrier of spray between you and the bad guy. You retreat to safe room with phone/gun/kids and pump out a serious fog of spray. Has anyone else heard about this? It was recomended to me to buy a small oc for carry and keep a large can in the house for just this sort of application. I guess if you had a big house it might make sense to keep multiple cans handy just like fire extiguishers.

Sam
 
PCP patients used to break their hands and keep fighting. How does the gas affect them?

Would glasses help?


munk
 
Bri in Chi said:
The sound of a pump shotgun chambering a round, should deter anyone with half a brain. The last thing I'd want to go to trial and explain to a jury - is a black, folding stock, extended magazine "assault shotgun" with a laser sight and tactical light. Mine is a very pretty, and very stock, skeet grade, 20 gauge 870.
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Bri hit the nail on the head......

Many years ago I read a story about "the best home defense weapon". The sound of a pump shotgun chambering a round would hopefully make the visitor rethink their intrusion. You really don't want to have to shoot someone if you don't have too......Should you have to use it and get taken to trial by the "victim's" family, what looks more aggressive.....simple wood stock & slide or black high impact with tac lite etc. It's not how many gadgets on the thing that makes you hit the target any ways.

Mine: out of the box Moss. 500 18 1/2 barrel with 0 buck
 
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