Anyone else get lonely?

my brother in law used to make fun of me for driving 5 miles to have a beer adn come home but when i said to him short of the computer about the only people i get to speak with are post masters when i do my shipping

that and the calls now and then from deker and J

the inter net is great but impersonal ish the get together and gatherings are realy the fun days "geeking out" with other makers/friends you know from here and there on the inter web
 
I actually enjoy being by myself working in the shop. I spend 7 days a week in the shop hours vary from 6 to 12 hours depending what I have planned for the day. I'm in a business district but don't advertise or have a sign out. The public would be nice but I feel it would cause me to many interuptions. I do get visitors from time to time by invitation. Like anything type of work, you will not be 100% motivated all the time. One thing that has helped me is my shop is away from the house. I'm not disciplined enough to get the work done if I was at home.
Scott
 
the inter net is great but impersonal ish the get together and gatherings are realy the fun days "geeking out" with other makers/friends you know from here and there on the inter web

You're just saying that because of the way you type :p

-d
 
I feel you, Sam. :(

A friend of a friend (now my friend) came to the shop recently, and I started talking about my awesome kiln and the awesome heat treating it does, and I got to martensite... and I just kinda noticed at that point the glazed look in his eyes... I blame Kevin Cashen :)

I miss my ex, too. She was genuinely interested. Some girl I was talking to was like "So tell me about this knife making, that sounds interesting." ..but when I began to tell her, she was all "Uh huh. Yeah, that's cool...mmhmm.. yep. welllll, I gots to go now"
My dad is the only one who'll really talk about knife designs and things like that with me.

I don't know what it is about our hobby (lifestyle, rather in many cases) that is SO fascinating to us but just mind numbingly boring to others.
 
my brother in law used to make fun of me for driving 5 miles to have a beer adn come home but when i said to him short of the computer about the only people i get to speak with are post masters when i do my shipping

I go running out all excited when the postman comes. :D
 
This same thing happens in any profession. That's why it is important for many makers to get to shows, conventions, etc, even if they aren't buying and selling, so they can touch base with likeminded people and get their fix for a while!
 
I'm hearin' ya Sam.I'm only a hobbyist,with a full time job as a workplace trainer,so I talk to people ALL day.I kind of enjoy the "me" time I get in my workshop,where I don't have to make polite conversation and can do things my own way in my own time.But I do miss talking knives with someone who's really into it,I've got one buddy who's a saw doctor and makes a few blades,who''ll crap on about carbon content,bainite,and grit sizes,with me but that's about it and he lives a few hours away.But day to day I've had similar experience as others here,when people find out they either think your obsessed with making the perfect weapon for your next D&D meet,or your just grinding an edge on any peice of metal you can find and wrappping some duct tape round the other.All my girlfriends freinds call me a "knife nerd":Dbecause when someone shows an interest I talk about heat treatment and alloy selection,not how many ninja stars are hidden in the handle:rolleyes:.My girlfriend is supportive but not really interested beyond the look of the finished product,and the fact I enjoy it.So don't let it get ya down mate,keep grinding,and remember there's probably a lot of other peoples hobbys/jobs,we glaze over when they talk about it,think (for me anyway) computer games,crystal therapy,pimped cars:jerkit:,and things like that.So ya might be lonely,but ya make great knives and your not alone.
 
For a number of years there was a live voice chat of knifemakers using a chat program called "Paltalk". It was very nice being able to talk knifemaking or simply be sociable with makers from all over the world. Kevin C., Ed Caffrey, Tracy Mickley, "Bowie" Claiborne, Van Barnett, and many other makers frequented the room. Makers at all levels were welcome; teaching newbies was seen as a primary goal.

If one has a high speed connection, it is a good way to form a voice "community". The same can be done using Yahoo Messenger conferences. I'm sure there are other programs available that could be used, too.

Just a thought as an opportunity for those interested to create a new online community for realtime interaction..... :)
 
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I'm sure we're not isolated instances of this, but we're certainly a group comprised of individualist isolationists that predominantly find social events to be cumbersome (or even painful), except when together - as knifemakers.
The only people I interact with on a meaningful or fulfilling level (apart from my incredibly tolerant bride!) are other knifemakers.
 
I don't know what it is about our hobby (lifestyle, rather in many cases) that is SO fascinating to us but just mind numbingly boring to others.
My wife says it's not to her....but I really have a hard time believing it. As far as lonely, since I'm a part timer (barely) I welcome the solitude. I get more done. BUT, I have to deal with idiots all day at work, so.... I feel for ya', Sam and I get where you're coming from, but if it were my choice, I'd much rather spend 8 hours working by myself than dealing with others. You could always start up your own "Watch your (insert product here) being made" shop. That way you could prattle on to the onlookers whilst you bang away :D
 
If you are reading the replies and just nodding your head, are you similarly afflicted!?!?!?:D

I crave the 'me time' that I get so little of. Most of my 0-4 hours a week working in the garage is a treasured break from the engineering job, 2 kids, wife, house upkeep, etc. chaos of modern life.

I don't think I could do it full time...I'd go crazy...short trip from what I hear.;)
 
Yes Sam, I am glad to see the number of affirmative posts that you are getting so that I can know it is not just me. There are days I feel I am even less productive in my shop because there is no stimulation from social interaction. I have two dogs that give momentary breaks from the monotony, but let’s face it an occasional wet nose wanting to be petted is not social interaction. For years I have listened to talk radio in order to hear human voices, and keep up on current affairs in the outside world, but lately I have even turned that off as I have become so jaded with our political system that listening to either sides platitudes only makes me depressed by the incredible levels of ignorance the general population is capable of.

I have always been quite isolated in the middle of rural MI (when I tested for my stamps the closest mastersmith was Jim Porter in southernmost Indiana), so there is not much opportunity for knife talk. And after doing this for this many years I find myself hesitating or just answering “metalworker” when I am asked what I do for a living, in order to avoid having to educate or entirely re-educate the person before the conversation can proceed, and in that time you could have been talking about things that both of you would have found stimulating. I know I would rather talk about the weather with a person if at any point in this introduction they mention something they saw, read or heard about Japanese swords smiths:rolleyes:, it is a sure sign that this is the type of person who gets their news from John Stewart or Oprah and I can expect the conversation to be about as deep as a mud puddle. I also hesitate when asked what I do, because for many “knifemaker” means you grind old files like uncle Clemm does, and they will immediately follow with “yes but what do you do for a living”. And it is even worse if you say you make swords. Then it is either images of skulls, chains and leather, or 40 year old kids dressing up to still play dungeons and dragons in the park, or a combination of both, unless, of course, you say you studied in Japan. ;)

Rejoice Sam it can get worse! Imagine feeling lonely at a gathering of knifemakers! When you are a heretic with radical and “non-traditional” ideas life can be easier if you just keep your mouth shut and not try to correct that bit of atrocious fantasy that was just passed along as a valuable tip. As you have seen, when somebody makes definitive statements out of their opinions and you have the nerve to ask for some facts to back it up, you simply add a few more names to the enemy list. And say you are dying to explore the concept of shear type formation of austenite that you just read about, well who do you turn to? With exception of just a couple (like mete), metallurgists will simply switch to the “yes, yes you quaint little man!” approach when they find out you are a knifemaker, until you bounce something off them that they have a hard time keeping up with, and then the conversation is really over.

Due to the effect that the day in and day out isolation has had on my personality (people who have known me for years can see it) I have considered taking on an apprentice but a system where a competent person who has their entire day free to work with you for nothing more than the gaining of knowledge and skills does not work in the 21st century economy. Besides, perhaps the reason I am lonely is because I am not that easy to be around. This forum is good but more actual gathering jsut for the fun is better.

Your experience is not unique Sam, in fact I would be curious as to how many knifemakers may suffer slight depression due to the isolation an nature of the work.

Kevin I would be your free apprentice anyday, I would fly down for 2 weeks or the max work would allow I would even pay to learn and do labouring tasks for free

Now the matter of the fact with the depression part is probley not due to only the nature of the work, but assuming your not one of us

its because knifemakers artists and anyone who is looking for perfection must be obsessive and if you think about the wrong things it kicks your ass

but when your thinking about a goal its a great booster once the goal is gone or faded it brings you down

its like a rollercoaster, When i think to myself I could become one of the best metalworkers alive and a stepping stone towards it, I feel amazing but once things lag or get really screwed up it honestly messes with me too much,
but only because I know I desire it so badly, more then anything to be honest

its the nature of being who you are i guess

my dad was the same way naturally, then again aynone who has known him knows he is a legend in the sheetmetal trade doing the most preimier jobs in vancouver for most expensive govenment buildings and hotels
handrails costing well over 80 thousand dollars for 20 feet and all kinds of amazing pieces

but he doesnt care about perfection anymore
 
Good to hear I am not alone! Thank for the support guys. Traditionally knife/sword making was not so lonely, with apprentices no doubt, but with the secrecy that was a large part of the ancient craftsman to craftsman interaction I imagine it could get quite lonely. I like my alone time as much as the next guy too, but sometimes I just get those lonely pangs. Chris, WELCOME!!!!!!!!! I find also that tossing on Wally Hayes or Tim Lively helps a good bit, even the old standby Conan:D.

Kevin, way to make me feel better :thumbup: thanks! You are really in a tough spot, both regionally and with your approach to the craft. I wonder if other people in the fringe crafts have the same problems finding understanding friends outside of they're chosen job? I would say not so much, as there is not so much hype and popular culture references surrounding much anything else as there is with swords and knives. i would be interested also to see just how many might actually suffer from a bit of depression.

Internet helps, I am a active posting member on BladeForums, Don Fogg's, USN, SBG, SFI, IFI(which runs a 24 hour 7 day a week live chat that is just fantastic, www.iforgeiron.com), myspace, deviantart, helps to get the inspiration going and it's fun to talk shop online, but DEFINATELY not the same as real life hammer ins and get togethers. I am already counting days until ashokan *sigh:rolleyes::o
 
yeah my friends at work where I am most of the time are absolutely tired of me talking about knives I can't wait for school to start when people find out I make knives their interested if only for a moment and then I get over their head and the quit listening
 
Todd used to get so lonely, especially during the winter months, because none of us wanted to go out to the shop....it was like an ice box in there!!! He got so desperate for company, he put in a woodburning stove, a huge easy boy chair, a blanket, some knife magazines, and a pot of tea boiling on the wood stove just so I would come and sit with him for a couple of hours, drinking tea, stoking the fire and reading the mags out loud to him. That was before, I knew much about what he was doing out there.....now, he tries to lock the shop door so I won't come out there and crack the whip on him!!!!!!

I have knife maker wife loneliness!!!.........my lady friends think I am nutts for "letting" Todd make knives for a living......they roll their eyes when I tell them about the new lathe we got......or share the excitement of an upcoming show......but, on the other hand, I think they are envious of the closeness I share with my husband, and how passionate I am about his work......so, I count myself blessed!

Tanya
 
I just need a hug....

I'm not full time and my day job is very people intense. I really like some shop time alone but a little goes a long way. Even after a couple hours, I find myself just wandering out to find out what's going on...weird..
 
Maybe we need to organize more hammer-ins. Seems there are several knife makers that are in reasonable driving distance in the South-West Mo area...
 
I'm sure we're not isolated instances of this, but we're certainly a group comprised of individualist isolationists that predominantly find social events to be cumbersome (or even painful), except when together - as knifemakers.

That's true for me, at least. I would never normally go off by my lonesome out of town to big gathering, but I was comfortable at Batson's (comfortable aside from I was wearing shorts) since everyone was so nice.
 
Todd used to get so lonely, especially during the winter months, because none of us wanted to go out to the shop....it was like an ice box in there!!! He got so desperate for company, he put in a woodburning stove, a huge easy boy chair, a blanket, some knife magazines, and a pot of tea boiling on the wood stove just so I would come and sit with him for a couple of hours, drinking tea, stoking the fire and reading the mags out loud to him. That was before, I knew much about what he was doing out there.....now, he tries to lock the shop door so I won't come out there and crack the whip on him!!!!!!

I have knife maker wife loneliness!!!.........my lady friends think I am nutts for "letting" Todd make knives for a living......they roll their eyes when I tell them about the new lathe we got......or share the excitement of an upcoming show......but, on the other hand, I think they are envious of the closeness I share with my husband, and how passionate I am about his work......so, I count myself blessed!

Tanya



WOW..now that's a wife:)
 
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