Anyone Else Joining the Minutemen?

bwray

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Today I joined the Minutemen Civil Defense Corps. and volunteered to help patrol our southern border. It is so seldom that one has a chance to actually take direct action related to your beliefs and principles that I could not resist this opportunity. Anyone else of similar mind ..... opposed?
 
I'm too far away from the border.

I think that that is one issue neither party is really addressing. You talk to folks down there on the border and the people coming across on their land are a terrible pain in the you know what.
 
Astrodada said:
Bwray....any drug prevention activities ? If so...take really good care of youself.

Yes, I'm aware that the increased drug smuggling activity on the border has really increased the danger to the Minutemen. I will reserve judgement until I see what kind of activities are expected of me and how much support is provided. I would think one man patrols, for example, would be foolhearty. We'll see.:thumbup:
 
Maybe there should be one of these groups along the coastal areas, though they would need boats... that would be a sight


I agree with what the intent is behind this but what a shame it has to even be considered at all
 
I'm all for it. I have considered it, but my Parental Caregiving precludes it , at the moment.
 
I read an article recently, I believe it was either in Maxim or FHM, so I don't now how credible it is, about drug smugglers coming across the border, with about 5 armed drug runners, and about 10 to 15 workers, to cultivate marijuana, I believe cocaine also, in state parks along the border. Campsites have been found deep in state parks, in areas where park rangers and hikers/campers etc have disappeared. Park rangers are afraid to go into the woods because the drug runners have assault rifles etc, and the rangers mainly have pistols.

As for my opinion, I am torn. Good luck out there.
 
lcs37 said:
I'm all for it. I have considered it, but my Parental Caregiving precludes it , at the moment.

This is a common problem, one that I shared in my younger days. Ironically, you almost have to be retired to participate in this endeavor. In fact, there's actually a window: retired but not yet too old.
 
bwray said:
Today I joined the Minutemen Civil Defense Corps. and volunteered to help patrol our southern border. It is so seldom that one has a chance to actually take direct action related to your beliefs and principles that I could not resist this opportunity. Anyone else of similar mind ..... opposed?

Take care of yourself. You are opposing yourself to powerful interests in the US and Mexican governments, and in organized crime. Things are the way they are at the border for a reason. I'm willing to bet the reason is not that the powerful and the wealthy are incompetent to achieve their objectives.

I'm not objecting to your activity. Just don't be surprised if there is nasty and very personal retribution. You are at a handicap if you are trying to play by rules and your opponents are not.

You might also reflect on the poor sods crossing the border. Most of them are more of a symptom of the problem than a root cause. There are carefully engineered and maintained economic forces motivating them to cross. If you meet up with some of them you may find them quite human.
 
Howard Wallace said:
You might also reflect on the poor sods crossing the border. Most of them are more of a symptom of the problem than a root cause. There are carefully engineered and maintained economic forces motivating them to cross. If you meet up with some of them you may find them quite human.

Well said Howard!
 
Howard Wallace said:
...Just don't be surprised if there is nasty and very personal retribution...

Watch out for these in particular!
 
Howard Wallace said:
You might also reflect on the poor sods crossing the border. Most of them are more of a symptom of the problem than a root cause. There are carefully engineered and maintained economic forces motivating them to cross. If you meet up with some of them you may find them quite human.

I have no doubt that would be the case. The people pushed out of their own country by economic forces beyond their control are as much victims as the people whose land is being overun. But where does it stop? I can see the future political and economic stability of the border states, including my own, coming under serious threat. Today I am following a story involving a group of 10.000 marchers in Phoenix protesting Arizona's anti illegal immigration laws. It may already be too late. When the illegals and their supporters become a near majority they will make the immigration laws.:(
 
bwray said:
It may already be too late. When the illegals become a near majority they will make the immigration laws.:(

What is it that the Palestinians used to say? "Yassar Arafat we are fighting for you in the streets and our bedrooms" ? The idea being that they would overwhelm by overpopulating?

Seriously though Mexico has oil. They have agricultural land. Their people are every bit as smart as folks anywhere. Why is Mexico so poor. Too many kids? Corrupt government? Inequal distribution of wealth?

My concern is that people who come to our country hopefully share the values of our country rather than bring the problems of their home countries to us. Overall I think that the people coming to the US seem to have caused a lot less trouble than a lot of the people that come from the Mideast to the European countries.
 
Howard Wallace said:
I'm not objecting to your activity. Just don't be surprised if there is nasty and very personal retribution. You are at a handicap if you are trying to play by rules and your opponents are not.

Maybe we can get nasty on our side.:thumbup: ;)
 
hollowdweller said:
Seriously though Mexico has oil. They have agricultural land. Their people are every bit as smart as folks anywhere. Why is Mexico so poor. Too many kids? Corrupt government? Inequal distribution of wealth?

I think a deplorably unequal distribution of wealth combined with overpopulation relative to available jobs and resources is the problem. But what is happening rather than having Mexico address these problems is that the US is acting as a pressure relief valve that relieves the stress on the Mexican elite and places it instead on our own middle and working classes. Our own politicions and elite are happy as clams because they get the cheap labor they want and couldn't care less how many ordinary citizens are hurt in the process.
 
Watch out for tunnels ! L:O:L

I guess its partially a comment on how well your country is doing and how poorly theirs is doing . In all honesty it is who sneaks in with the illegal immigrants that concerns me .

I live in a place where they demand the use of french and have all kindsa laws to back it up . Their immigration policy strongly favours anyone who speaks french or is willing to learn . I wonder what other criteria they are lax on to accomodate their priorities ?
 
If I wasn't up here in Illinois, I'd be willing to help cover your six, bwray. I read about the protests too. Be careful out there.

Bob
 
I live on the southern border, but for you guys its the other side of the northern border. We have a few militias here protecting againsed illeagle border crossing. Americans do not need passports to cross into canada. I am afraid terrorists who hate canadian freedoms will use the united states as a point of entry into canada. This border is just as big a problem as your southern one. Here in BC Americans come across smuggleing guns we dont want and taking away the marijuana we do want. Meanwhile from the other side its just as bad, they are taking guns you want to keep out of your country and brining marijuana you dont want in. Not to mention the army deserters and people fleeing from 20 year jail sentances for posetion of a joint. We really dont want them.

The above satirical comentary is not the main point of this post.

Seriously though. I'm not exactly sure what the point of the militias down there are, are you trying to stop drug smuggeling or just illeagle imigrants? What do you do when you find some poor dehydrated family crossing the desert? Call INS, turn them around? If your goal is to stop drug smugglers I would sugjest leaving that to the profesionals, a bunch of rednecks with shotguns(this is not what I think bwray of whom I have the upmost respect, this is merely the preconseption I had of militia members) are not going to stop orginized crime. As for imagrants whats the big deal I thought the US was founded on the principle that people could come from worse contries to make a better life for themselves. The american dream and all that, isnt that what these poor mexicans are striving for. What happened to the sign reading "bring me your poor, your weak, your downtrodden, your huddled masses yearning to breath free" does it now read "sorry we're full"? I would be afraid of anti-imigrant sentiment if I lived in the States, in europe openly racist governments have been elected on dislike for imigrants, that way lies facism. If you believe in free market capitalism you by definition must allow for the free movment of people as labour is a comodity like any other. If you are worried about the exploitation of these imigrants in the US make it easier for them to become citizens(this is what most of them really want). Can you really deny someone else the freedoms and rights you charish so much based on the location of their birth? I'm pretty sure it reads "All men are created equal" not "All american are created equal". Seems a little odd that I could imigrate to the states pretty easily becuase I wouldnt benifit from it but thoes who truely need it cannot.

All politics aside stay safe out there bwray, I wish you the best of luck, watch out for racists.

If you come across some mexicans that are going to be deported send them up here I'll smuggle them into canada.

Gord
 
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