Anyone who will NOT buy a Sage because they are made in Taiwan?

Since I have joined the forums I think this might be the first really long post I have read the whole way through. I am a slow reader:D. I read it because I could relate to the OP's original question. My answer to that question before reading all of this was a resounding yes, I would not buy a sage because of where it is made. After reading through all the post, I think I might have changed my mind. This is also another first for me on the forums.

I would specifically like to thank Sal for putting in his 2 cents. I have said before and will say again, getting direct responses from manufactures, makers, designers and employees of knife companies is a priviledge not a right, even on the forums. Your input definitely gets heard and definitely affects my buying decisions.

I was unaware of all the reasons for manufacturing overseas but have always tried to purchase made in the USA products when it is practical. This is one of the reasons I bought a leafstorm and one of the reasons I carry a BM 755. While I want to support made in the USA, I have to agree that this country has lost a lot of pride in it's manufacturing. This is not the first place I have heard people bitch about the laziness of manufacturing employees. This country has become spoiled rotten. Anyone not willing to work hard has been handed a free ticket by the government to skate by. It is a shameful problem that truly should not exist, especially in this economy. Unfortunatelely I don't know what can be done to fix it. I do know it will take more than just buying knives stamped made in the USA.

Whitty
 
I suddenly realize that Ning, an aquaintance of mine, who is also mainland chinese and a communist party member, will probably not buy any knife from Taiwan just because it is made in Taiwan.
 
Habbekuk said:
I suddenly realize that Ning, an aquaintance of mine, who is also mainland chinese and a communist party member, will probably not buy any knife from Taiwan just because it is made in Taiwan.
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Heh...now that is an interesting perspective. :)
 
I think the best Spyderco knives (and some other knife brands) are made in Japan and are better than ones made here in the U.S.. Hell American cars for instance cant hold a candle to the far superior ones made in Japan
 
Hell, after seeing the fit and finish of some of the Taichung, Taiwan knives Spyderco puts out, I think I am going to try to find more. The Taiwan stamp now means, to me, that I should expect superb fit and finish, and a product that exudes quality.
I mean, Sage I & II, Gayle Bradley... these are fantastic knives, at a surprisingly good price point for what they are.
 
dennis357 said:
I think the best Spyderco knives (and some other knife brands) are made in Japan and are better than ones made here in the U.S.. Hell American cars for instance cant hold a candle to the far superior ones made in Japan
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Not so much these days as it was back about 6 or 7 years ago. ;)

The gap is closing very fast.
 
One important thing to remember here is to not over generalize.

USA has great makers and poor makers.

Taiwan has great makers and poor makers.

Spyderco's Taichung Taiwan maker is a quality knifemaker from what I have seen.
 
Habbekuk said:
I suddenly realize that Ning, an aquaintance of mine, who is also mainland chinese and a communist party member, will probably not buy any knife from Taiwan just because it is made in Taiwan.
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Sure does make for a new perspective.
 
Isn't it amusing that we never see threads like:

"Anyone who will NOT buy a Victorinox because they are made in Switzerland?"

"Anyone who will NOT buy an Opinel because they are made in France?"

"Anyone who will NOT buy a Mora because they are made in Sweden?"

etc, etc
 
Dagon said:
Isn't it amusing that we never see threads like:

"Anyone who will NOT buy a Victorinox because they are made in Switzerland?"

"Anyone who will NOT buy an Opinel because they are made in France?"

"Anyone who will NOT buy a Mora because they are made in Sweden?"

etc, etc
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Might have something to do with the Origin of those companies are in their respective countries.

Unlike some that have sent over 30 Million Jobs to China and some others in the past 8 years or so, jobs that will never return.

The knife industry doesn't really have much of an impact on that though.
 
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5.56 said:
One important thing to remember here is to not over generalize.

USA has great makers and poor makers.

Taiwan has great makers and poor makers.

Spyderco's Taichung Taiwan maker is a quality knifemaker from what I have seen.
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I agree with this statement wholeheartedly. :thumbup:

Every nation and every ethnicity has good people, and they have bad people, and the same can be said for just about everything, including manufacturers. Some people work hard and take pride, and others don't. It's just the nature of humankind.
 
Just got the new Spyderco Zulu from Taichung.

I've held all sorts of knives, custom and production. This is the nicest opening folder with the best F&F out of any of them. Hands down...
 
Ankerson said:
Unlike some that have sent over 30 Million Jobs to China and some others in the past 8 years or so, jobs that will never return.
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Yes, but if our Chinese friends hadn't been dutifully buying up our debt for the last decade or so, the American economy would have collapsed sooner and MUCH harder than it did in '08. The recession we are still struggling to find our way out of would seem like a mere hiccup compared to that. Heck, if the Chinese weren't supporting our lifestyle by buying our debt, our unemployment could be much higher, and your house would have depreciated even faster than it has. Most Americans who are employed and haven't been foreclosed on yet should send a thank you card to China! Without them, we would be SOL. (Yes, I know I'm simplifying a bit, but the gist is true)
 
I'd prefer it to say USA but as long as it's a quality knife (and seems like those that have them agree it is) it's not a deal breaker. The workers in Taiwan gotta feed their families too. I'll get one sooner or later.
 
Dagon said:
Isn't it amusing that we never see threads like:

"Anyone who will NOT buy a Victorinox because they are made in Switzerland?"

"Anyone who will NOT buy an Opinel because they are made in France?"

"Anyone who will NOT buy a Mora because they are made in Sweden?"

etc, etc
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I don't find that amusing. Those countries have never been known to produce cheap junk, so I am not surprised.
 
THG said:
I don't find that amusing. Those countries have never been known to produce cheap junk, so I am not surprised.
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Ahh, but when one points out that the Sage is of superb quality, the response is that some just want to buy and support American products (which, btw, is fine with me...)
So, why is there not an issue with the Swedish, German, or French products. I would say that the Sage build quality is just as good as products from these other countries.

I consider it a very valid point to make.
 
axtalan0 said:
Yes, but if our Chinese friends hadn't been dutifully buying up our debt for the last decade or so, the American economy would have collapsed sooner and MUCH harder than it did in '08. The recession we are still struggling to find our way out of would seem like a mere hiccup compared to that. Heck, if the Chinese weren't supporting our lifestyle by buying our debt, our unemployment could be much higher, and your house would have depreciated even faster than it has. Most Americans who are employed and haven't been foreclosed on yet should send a thank you card to China! Without them, we would be SOL. (Yes, I know I'm simplifying a bit, but the gist is true)
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Wow, that's right out of the "little red Chinese playbook"!! Everyone please disregard!! Total BS Alert!!

He is correct that interest rates are lower in the U.S. due to Chinese Government purchase of U.S.A. debt. All the rest is pure speculation at best.

What a troll!!
 
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