Anyone who will NOT buy a Sage because they are made in Taiwan?

Agreed. There are a lot of posts here and at SF from Sal about how much of the year he, his wife and Eric spend traveling to check out their production partners overseas. It is a very time- and cost-intensive process, not something that's done with a couple of mouseclicks and a phone call. Even so, as in every human endeavor, stuff happens, and it happens on-shore as well as off-shore. Look at the snafu with a recent and now still-pending dealer limited edition Benchmade was making (in their own facility in OR). You do your best, things sometimes go wrong. You learn your lessons, adjust, and move forward.

Its not exactly like the Cat and Chicago were horrible pieces of trash. Even the worst of those appeared to have better fit and finish than folders made for a higher price point from other companies. It seems like someone is being a bit overly hostile here, there are two Taiwan factories, this has been discussed before, on this forum and on spyderco's home forum.

My point is Spyderco pulled a model that didn't meet their standards, but IMO definitely was up to snuff for what many other companies sell, that speaks of the quality of the company quite clearly, how someone can turn that into a negative is mind boggling.
 
I work with American workers and trust me, as a workforce we're not all that hot. We got people calling in sick, sneaking outside for what amounts to DAYS per month to smoke, leaving early, and generally not giving a s##t what they're doing. If the Taiwanese people take pride in the products they're turning out and they are making an effort, then good on 'em. That's a heckuva better attitude than 90% of the "gimme" workforce over here is doing. Sheesh. This video game generation is capable of, well, playing video games. Reminds me of a machinist that was talking about Japanese, German, and American machine tools. He basically said to stay away from anything made over here. Lathes, drill presses, name it. He said if you had your heart set on American tooling, make sure it was from the 1950s or prior. Steer clear of anything modern.

A buddy of mine works in a factory environment. He said when the bell rings for morning break everyone goes on break (naturally). Then when the bell rings to go back to the floor, everyone heads for the bathroom. A whole extra 15 minutes is wasted because nobody pissed during the "official" break. Even if there was a few "honest" workers that hurried back to the floor, actual production couldn't take place because the majority of the workers are still in the locker room.

If the Asian folks are cranking out a quality product, then I'm not ashamed to buy it. The "made in" labeling is a farce anyhow, by and large. There's a lot of re-boxing that goes on and "made in USA" is stamped on a lot of stuff that's actually made elsewhere and finished here. So even the most anal of the "look for the union label" crowd can't really be sure of what they're buying.

I carry my Seki Spydies with glowing pride. Same thing with my Taiwan made Gayle Bradley. Same with my Golden made Military. All of them are quality products. Excellent bang for the buck.

Best post of the year. :thumbup:
 
What makes you think Spyderco does not "due" extensive due diligence before they enter into a production contract with a third party factory?

Great catch on the typo. You have contributed significantly. Actually, I would have pointed out the same kind of thing, so I get it.

My point is nonetheless true. The fault has to rest at some point, either the contractor or Spyderco or both.
 
I work with American workers and trust me, as a workforce we're not all that hot. We got people calling in sick, sneaking outside for what amounts to DAYS per month to smoke, leaving early, and generally not giving a s##t what they're doing. If the Taiwanese people take pride in the products they're turning out and they are making an effort, then good on 'em. That's a heckuva better attitude than 90% of the "gimme" workforce over here is doing. Sheesh. This video game generation is capable of, well, playing video games. Reminds me of a machinist that was talking about Japanese, German, and American machine tools. He basically said to stay away from anything made over here. Lathes, drill presses, name it. He said if you had your heart set on American tooling, make sure it was from the 1950s or prior. Steer clear of anything modern.

A buddy of mine works in a factory environment. He said when the bell rings for morning break everyone goes on break (naturally). Then when the bell rings to go back to the floor, everyone heads for the bathroom. A whole extra 15 minutes is wasted because nobody pissed during the "official" break. Even if there was a few "honest" workers that hurried back to the floor, actual production couldn't take place because the majority of the workers are still in the locker room.

If the Asian folks are cranking out a quality product, then I'm not ashamed to buy it. The "made in" labeling is a farce anyhow, by and large. There's a lot of re-boxing that goes on and "made in USA" is stamped on a lot of stuff that's actually made elsewhere and finished here. So even the most anal of the "look for the union label" crowd can't really be sure of what they're buying.

I carry my Seki Spydies with glowing pride. Same thing with my Taiwan made Gayle Bradley. Same with my Golden made Military. All of them are quality products. Excellent bang for the buck.


There are a lot of reason that you see these things.

Management is letting them get away with it for some reason, whatever the reason is it falls back on management.

There are also those types who have been with the company for awhile so they feel they are entitled for some reason. The old I have been with the company for (Enter number of years here) and they have a following believe me.

All it takes is one or two bad apples to cause issues and from what I have seen time and time again management never seems to deal with those people. They always seem to know someone or are buddies with someone or they were hired by (enter upper level person here) so they will still be around for a long time.

Then there are the one who are so worried that they will do 1 second more work than another person and that also gets around so everything gets slowed down. We all know who they are, they are the ones always complaining about someone else instead of doing their job.

Then there are the clicks, the click never really does any real work, it's the ones outside the click, those 3 or 4 that pickup all the clicks slack and ends up taking the blame for the 8 in the click. Usually a member of management in also part of the click.

Then we have the ears, you know the ones who run to management about everything and anything. We all know who they are and they cause more headaches than they solve.

Then there are are the ones who are more worried about what management is doing than doing their own work. They are constantly complaining and trying to cause problems.

Then there are the Micro Managers who are so power hungry and controlling they kill moral completely, they are usually complete jerks that never should have gotten to were they are in the 1st place and they treat their people like crap.

There is something called company policy, they need to stick to it 100% of the time being consistent so the employees know what to expect and show no favorites.

There are also managers who associate with employees outside of the workplace, HUGE mistake and that should never happen. That leads to a lot of problems from what I have seen over the years.

There is a lot of BS that goes on in the workplace other than work and that's were the problems start and management is usually the cause of most of it because they let it go on and or they are part of it.

If people would just do their jobs instead of worrying about anything else other than their jobs they would be a lot better off in the end, but that's way too much to expect in today's workforce.

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I forgot one. ;)

The is always one person who feels they deserve that position that was filled by another person and they will cause problems and conflict anyway they can. From trying to turn the other employees against that person to stabbing them in the back to making sure they look bad anyway they can. I used to get rid of them 1st thing as soon as I found out who they were because they are a huge problem, that is if they weren't protected by someone higher than I was.
 
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Half of the fun of buying new toys is showing your friends what you got and talking about the specs and features, steel type, etc... I can't do that with my Spydercos because I'm too busy defending the big ugly TAIWAN stamp on the blade....

In whatever I do privately, I don't feel the urge or the need to defend my choices (I need to do enough of that professionally). Nobody I know reacted negatively to my Sage 1, and if they did I wouldn't care.
 
If you look back through Sal's posts I'm pretty sure you'll find that he has taken full responsibility for this, just as he did for the Bushcraft (which involved a US vendor and was as unambiguously not Spyderco's fault as anything in manufacturing can be).

Great catch on the typo. You have contributed significantly. Actually, I would have pointed out the same kind of thing, so I get it.

My point is nonetheless true. The fault has to rest at some point, either the contractor or Spyderco or both.
 
Great catch on the typo. You have contributed significantly. Actually, I would have pointed out the same kind of thing, so I get it.

My point is nonetheless true. The fault has to rest at some point, either the contractor or Spyderco or both.

Spyerco always accepts the responsibility for our product.

sal
 
Its strange how I was on the side of the fence who says "who cares where it's made" as long as it was of high quality. I bought the Sage 2 because it came highly recommended, and indeed it was a very high quality knife. All except for the big TAIWAN stamp on the back of the blade which cheapened it. It was just plain tacky looking. Too much cheap, junky stuff that I have grown up seeing through the years had that exact same stamp.

So when I got into knives, I not only wanted something nice to carry that is very functional, I wanted something to show my friends that I was proud of. A lot of people appreciate nice steel and titanium. But the reaction when looking at the back of the blade is always "what's this?? TAIWAN??". Then you have to explain - "oh, but they use a factory in Taiwan that does great work! Really, it's a high quality knife!......."

Then I was elated when I bought my next nice Spyderco - the Gayle Bradley. I thought it was amazing. So I had to show it to some friends. The very first reaction was "another one made in Taiwan??"....forget it..

Half of the fun of buying new toys is showing your friends what you got and talking about the specs and features, steel type, etc... I can't do that with my Spydercos because I'm too busy defending the big ugly TAIWAN stamp on the blade....
So, flipped the Sage 2...but, I'm keeping the Gayle Bradley. Much too amazing of a blade to get rid of it. Plus, they got a little smarter and included TAICHUNG above TAIWAN on version 2, which adds just a little more class rather than just the generic TAIWAN.

Funny that a person feels so compelled to defend and explain the fact that they have a knife that has a small stamp that says Taiwan due to overwhelming insecurity and wanting to feel group acceptance. I work hard for the money I earn, and I buy what I like. I don't have to explain a damn thing to anyone about my knife choices or anything else I do. I also don't have to prove anything to anyone, period. I'm buying from USA dealers and a USA company. How is that not helping the economy? All that posturing and chest thumping is a waste of time and energy, also part of the reason we are in the boat we are in now.

I would say time to get some new friends, real friends; people that are enlightened maybe better educated. Peer pressure should not have to rule a grown mans life. Sitting around and judging something by a label and not what its intended purpose is a clear indicator, doesn't get any more obvious than that. Personally, I try and steer clear of ignorant people not surround myself with them. YMMV ;)

Check your toolbox too, where was it made? Some Craftsmen, Snap On, Husky, and MAC tools are also made in an Asian and Latin American countries as well.
 
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Here's how I see it...

A man's knife is not just another piece of kitch, or another piece of mundane trapping.
A man's knife is something special.

I will not carry a knife made in Taiwan on my side.

It just does not feel right.
 
I don't mind the Taiwan stamp one bit. I can almost guarantee that any one in my circle that sees the Sage1 with Taiwan on it will be handling a better knife than any they own. I'm actually quite surprised at all the Taiwan haters that have popped up in this thread.
 
What is wrong with Taiwan?

What is wrong with Taiwan?

Ditto.

Taiwan makes great knives and is a socio-economic partner of the US. No complaints here. :)

Well said.

Yea it eats me up bad. I won't buy one cause of it. Also, why is it so expensive since it's made there?

Because it's made overseas so it does not require design and engineering?

Back in WWI and WWII many of the factories (before greedy corporations and their politician puppets moved most of the factories out of the USA) were temporarily converted to munitions production. If it happens again, is Uncle Sam going to call Taiwan and China to start building you some tanks and planes? Support your own workers.

It's not the USA.

Have you heard of global economy? Honestly, try living for a month buying and using things that are only made in USA, it's nearly impossible. Just for the record, that would probably involve not using any electronic devices for starter.
 
Funny that a person feels so compelled to defend and explain the fact that they have a knife that has a small stamp that says Taiwan due to overwhelming insecurity and wanting to feel group acceptance. I work hard for the money I earn, and I buy what I like. I don't have to explain a damn thing to anyone about my knife choices or anything else I do. I also don't have to prove anything to anyone, period. I'm buying from USA dealers and a USA company. How is that not helping the economy? All that posturing and chest thumping is a waste of time and energy, also part of the reason we are in the boat we are in now.

I would say time to get some new friends, real friends; people that are enlightened maybe better educated. Peer pressure should not have to rule a grown mans life. Sitting around and judging something by a label and not what its intended purpose is a clear indicator, doesn't get any more obvious than that. Personally, I try and steer clear of ignorant people not surround myself with them. YMMV ;)

Check your toolbox too, where was it made? Some Craftsmen, Snap On, Husky, and MAC tools are also made in an Asian and Latin American countries as well.

Great post.

Honestly, if half of buying something is to show it off to your friends, you need a life.

I don't mind the Taiwan stamp one bit. I can almost guarantee that any one in my circle that sees the Sage1 with Taiwan on it will be handling a better knife than any they own. I'm actually quite surprised at all the Taiwan haters that have popped up in this thread.

Me too.
 
The Sage is a beautiful knife in every way and anyone who has held or owned one knows this. I don't see anyone questioning this fact but rather stating their personal opinion.
I'm thankful for the right to have so many choices and also for the right to speak freely.

..on another note, what is wrong with being excited about a great knife and sharing with your friends? There are thousands of posts and pictures here on Blade Forums of sharing your knives with complete strangers!
 
The Sage is a beautiful knife in every way and anyone who has held or owned one knows this. I don't see anyone questioning this fact but rather stating their personal opinion.
I'm thankful for the right to have so many choices and also for the right to speak freely.

..on another note, what is wrong with being excited about a great knife and sharing with your friends? There are thousands of posts and pictures here on Blade Forums of sharing your knives with complete strangers!

Thanks Steve. The comments made about my post don't bother me because I know that other knife enthusiasts enjoy showing their knives off the same as I do. Most everyone on here has more knives than they could ever need, so yes, a lot of the fun is showing your collection to others - on or off of this forum. I'm sure I'm not the only one that likes to share my collection with people outside of this website...

And not that I should have to defend my choice of friends, but in their defense, if one of them showed me a very expensive gun they just bought that they were excited about (and I am not into guns) and it had a big tacky "TAIWAN" stamped right on it, I would have the same reaction as they did about my former Sage 2. Some of them are into guns by the way, but strangely enough I've never seen "TAIWAN" stamped on any of them. Not saying they weren't made in TAIWAN, they just didn't have a big stamp staring you in the face.
 
I do wish the origin engraving was a little smaller (it IS rather large) but purely for aesthetic reasons. I'm a big fan of Spyderco's Taichung pieces. :thumbup:
 
Thanks Steve. The comments made about my post don't bother me because I know that other knife enthusiasts enjoy showing their knives off the same as I do. Most everyone on here has more knives than they could ever need, so yes, a lot of the fun is showing your collection to others - on or off of this forum. I'm sure I'm not the only one that likes to share my collection with people outside of this website...

And not that I should have to defend my choice of friends, but in their defense, if one of them showed me a very expensive gun they just bought that they were excited about (and I am not into guns) and it had a big tacky "TAIWAN" stamped right on it, I would have the same reaction as they did about my former Sage 2. Some of them are into guns by the way, but strangely enough I've never seen "TAIWAN" stamped on any of them. Not saying they weren't made in TAIWAN, they just didn't have a big stamp staring you in the face.

Like they say, "To each his own" but I really wonder, if it said USA or Germany, etc. the same size would you care? It's not like it says Taiwan all across the whole length of the blade like some companies with blade etching all over the surface. If someone showed me a knife or gun and I can tell it's quality, I don't care if it says "made in the toilet" as long as it's discreetly and tastefully done which I think all of spydercos markings are.
BTW, I'm sure that particular Taiwan factory is very proud of the pieces they put out and rightfully so. As long as they're only stamping the tang I'm cool with that. If they start putting Taiwan, or Spyderco or anything else all over the knife I'd be turned off to the Sages.
 
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