Apparently I hit a nerve ...

You see, Drew, he doesn't want to be "in a forum with nimrods cussing at each other in an effort to get a point across." He wants to be in a forum where he can mock and insult everyone else and not get called on it. :D
 
Esav Benyamin said:
You see, Drew, he doesn't want to be "in a forum with nimrods cussing at each other in an effort to get a point across." He wants to be in a forum where he can mock and insult everyone else and not get called on it. :D
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Too bad for him there isn't a forum here like that. Sooner or later, what goes around comes around.
 
Wow, entertaining thread! :) I have to agree with OICU812 on the stupid, restrictive knife and gun laws in CA though. Nearly half of my collection would label me as a criminal if I took one of them into that state. Anyway, on with the show! :D
 
Vege-Taco said:
Wow, entertaining thread! :) I have to agree with OICU812 on the stupid, restrictive knife and gun laws in CA though. Nearly half of my collection would label me as a criminal if I took one of them into that state. Anyway, on with the show! :D
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gun laws are fairly restrictive, especially compared to arizona.

but what knife laws are you referring to?
 
MORIMOTOM said:
gun laws are fairly restrictive, especially compared to arizona.

but what knife laws are you referring to?
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No autos (except under 2" blades), no double-edged blades (dirks), no balisongs, fixed bladed knives must be open-carried (i.e. no boot knife, neck knife if under a coat or shirt, etc.).

Those are the ones I'm aware of anyway.
 
Vege-Taco said:
No autos (except under 2" blades), no double-edged blades (dirks), no balisongs, fixed bladed knives must be open-carried (i.e. no boot knife, neck knife if under a coat or shirt, etc.).

Those are the ones I'm aware of anyway.
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i see.

autos are legal to own, but may not be carried unless the blade is under 2".
balis fall under the auto law (653kPC), so the same applies.

there is nothing anywhere in the penal code that defines a dirk or dagger as a double edged knife. your interpretation is incorrect, although common.

but yes, boot/neck knives are a no-no.

in all, ca knife restrictions are pretty relaxed.
 
OICU812 said:
While I was typing my last post, another guy 'piles on'. Good show bro, you have mettle.

Not trying to pick fights at all, just would like equal treatment.
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You aren't joining the Marines by any chance? You write exactly like a guy that was just here.........
 
MORIMOTOM said:
i see.

autos are legal to own, but may not be carried unless the blade is under 2".
balis fall under the auto law (653kPC), so the same applies.

there is nothing anywhere in the penal code that defines a dirk or dagger as a double edged knife. your interpretation is incorrect, although common.

but yes, boot/neck knives are a no-no.

in all, ca knife restrictions are pretty relaxed.
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I guess if you can define "relaxed" as still retaining roughly 1/2 of your Constitutional rights, you are correct. Here in Arizona we can still exercise 98% of our right to bear arms, so CA looks pretty restrictive from this side of the river. :) Over here I can shove a switchblade in my pocket, wear a neck/boot knife, carry a concealed pistol, and go out to the desert and shoot my assault rifle using a drum magazine.....all without a license or any interference from the law. That's my definition of freedom. :thumbup:
 
MORIMOTOM said:
i see.

autos are legal to own, but may not be carried unless the blade is under 2".
balis fall under the auto law (653kPC), so the same applies.

there is nothing anywhere in the penal code that defines a dirk or dagger as a double edged knife. your interpretation is incorrect, although common.

but yes, boot/neck knives are a no-no.

in all, ca knife restrictions are pretty relaxed.
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Sorry to get off topic, but just to clarify, bali-songs are legal to own?
 
Switchblades


653k. Every person who possesses in the passenger's or driver's
area of any motor vehicle in any public place or place open to the
public, carries upon his or her person, and every person who sells,
offers for sale, exposes for sale, loans, transfers, or gives to any
other person a switchblade knife having a blade two or more inches in
length is guilty of a misdemeanor.
For the purposes of this section, "switchblade knife" means a
knife having the appearance of a pocketknife and includes a
spring-blade knife, snap-blade knife, gravity knife or any other
similar type knife, the blade or blades of which are two or more
inches in length and which can be released automatically by a flick
of a button, pressure on the handle, flip of the wrist or other
mechanical device, or is released by the weight of the blade or by
any type of mechanism whatsoever. "Switchblade knife" does not
include a knife that opens with one hand utilizing thumb pressure
applied solely to the blade of the knife or a thumb stud attached to
the blade, provided that the knife has a detent or other mechanism
that provides resistance that must be overcome in opening the blade,
or that biases the blade back toward its closed position.
For purposes of this section, "passenger's or driver's area" means
that part of a motor vehicle which is designed to carry the driver
and passengers, including any interior compartment or space therein.




California case law:
Butterfly knife which has blade in excess of two inches is
"switch-blade knife" within meaning of... 653k. [Attorney
General's opinion 11-19-1985.]
 
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I’m still not sure why he’s so worked up, the point of his first debate seems strange, I live in arguably the most knife friendly state in the union and if you’re not 18 you need a parent.

Is all this because your angry that you can’t buy a knife without help until you turn 18?
 
J.Mattson said:
I’m still not sure why he’s so worked up, the point of his first debate seems strange, I live in arguably the most knife friendly state in the union and if you’re not 18 you need a parent.

Is all this because your angry that you can’t buy a knife without help until you turn 18?
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That is part of it. The gist of the problem is that some posters seem so cavalier about their freedoms and are so quick to scream 'illegal', and seem do it with such glee. Like they discovered something that no else knew and they want to be the first to tell. I guess it is ok as long as they have theirs, screw the other guy.

I find it insulting that you can't purchase a knife under 18 years of age in certain places. Without getting into the nuances of blade length or grind style, it is a restriction on your freedoms as an American. Kalifornia is one of if not the most restrictive states in the Union when it comes to owning, using, collecting, repairing, etc., anything that could be perceived as a weapon by some wacko idealogue, regardless of your intended use. Which by the way, is irrelevant. You can't legislate someones intentions.

In Kali you can buy a Ferrari, Lambo, or any other myriad of cars that are capable of exceeding speeds of 200 mph, and at 16 or 17 you can own and drive one, yet you can't have a Randall Smitty? A vintage Gerber MKII? WTF?

I know plenty of kids that collect knives, boys and girls, that supporters of these laws would cringe if they saw the collections. "Why do they need those?" is the seminal question asked.

I have watched the slow erosion of firearms rights in the country albeit with a slight up tick in past few years that does show some signs of hope, but if you buy into the "decent knife laws" mentality, you are sure to lose those freedoms as they are slowly chipped away by others that think they know what is better for you than you do yourself.
 
If your intention was to hit a nerve and you then hit a nerve intentionally, you are guilty of a crime if the act of hitting another is a criminal act.

Legislate intentions?
 
Vege-Taco, if you ask the wrong question, you get the wrong answer. This thread is here because OICU812 cannot hold a conversation without insulting other members. We have a whole forum to discuss knife laws. WHY he was annoyed with them is beside the point. By thinking he could set his own rules for interaction, he was wrong. Discussions lose their point once the rhetoric becomes that kind of adversarial.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Vege-Taco, if you ask the wrong question, you get the wrong answer. This thread is here because OICU812 cannot hold a conversation without insulting other members. We have a whole forum to discuss knife laws. WHY he was annoyed with them is beside the point. By thinking he could set his own rules for interaction, he was wrong. Discussions lose their point once the rhetoric becomes that kind of adversarial.
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Very true.
 
Esav -

aside from 'knife laws' irritating me, you missed the point as well, the one I outlined in my previous post:

"The gist of the problem is that some posters seem so cavalier about their freedoms and are so quick to scream 'illegal', and seem do it with such glee. Like they discovered something that no else knew and they want to be the first to tell. I guess it is ok as long as they have theirs, screw the other guy."

Call me crazy, but I don't believe I am too far off base with that observation. I saw similar divisions in the Klinton ban between collectors and hunters, or just guys that had "already have mine" syndorme. Duck hunters actually saying why does anyone need an AR15? I will admit I was surprised at the attitude when statements like "we have decent knife laws" are used. I don't know what that means. Perhaps you can explain it to me, how knife enthusiasts seem to accept infringements on their freedoms w/o so much as a peep.

I guess I was mistaken when I assumed (we know what that means) that most collectors and users were on the same page relative to personal freedoms. I thought for sure in the Randall forum on this site most if not all would be of that mindset.

To clarify my statment 'you can't legislate intentions', it is the common denominator in firearms laws and knife laws. Back to the Klinton ban, firearms were banned primarily based on appearance (secondarily on function) as though the appearance of a rifle is somehow the cause of bank robbery, carjackings, or whatever. The same logic (oxymoron) is used with knives. The knee jerk reaction of the left is to ban it, then the problem will be gone. We all know that is a crock, if someone has bad intentions, it doens't matter what law is in place. Hence, you can't legislate intenions. Myself, I would rather be prepared.

The exmaple holds true for knives as well. Is an automatic with a 5" blade in and of itself going to turn an individual into a killer? How about a 7" blade? Will that make him a killer quicker? Is the fact it is an automatic the source of some mysterious force causing the owner to commit crimes with it? Of course not, but there is a large segment of uneducated people that buy into the fairy dust stories presented by lame stream media outlets as well as many in our own gov't.

Adversarial? Esav, is there something wrong with requesting a source for information presented on the forums? Someone makes a statement and is asked to back it up and the guy asking the question is in the wrong?

Also, please quote me where I insulted other members. I don't think I directed profanity towards anyone, yet profanity was directed towards me, and he gets a free pass. Odd.
 
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