AR-15 or R-15

that's funny and true, JV3. I had a similar experience with a Glock 17 mag that came in a trade with a bunch of stuff...at the time all I owned was a 23 and 27....

I had to get a 9mm glock all of a sudden. yeah...i just HAD to. haha!
 
Build it yourself, get what you want the first time. If you don't want to build buy a Colt.

Goggle Cerbus and see all the companies they own, not just Bushmaster and Remington.
 
Lewis Machine and Tool make a great product. They are not the cheapest game in town, but they are one of my favorites. I really love their SOPMOD stocks and molded pistol grips. Very comfortable.
 
Seriously, AR parts are like Legos. I have an extra trigger guard lying around...might just mutate into another rifle. YIKES!!!
 
Screwed up pics....sorry. How do I put pics here anyway? I just got a new S&W M&P 15 and I wanted to put a few pics here.
 
I would go with a Spikes Tactical LE model before the Bushy/Remmy. You get a better tested, which equals higher quality parts with the Spikes. And usually for less money than the Bushmmy. Last gun I bought complete was a Spikes. And to build one to these specs and price, really almost can't be done. I've built and bought, and can't build one like this for $810.

ST-15 Mid-Length LE Carbine
Starting at: $809.95

Spike's Tactical ST-15 Mid-Length LE
Mid-Length LE upper receiver group specifications

Spike's Tactical M4 flat top upper receiver specifications-
-CNC Machined from a 7075 T6 MIL-H-6088 Forging.
-Extended M4 feed ramps (done before plating).
-Mil-Spec 1913 picatinny rail.
-MIL-A-8625F Type III Class 2 Hardcoat anodized finish inside and out.
-Laser engraved T-markings.
-Laser engraved ST Spider logo.
-MIL-L-46010 Dryfilm lube on the interior.
-Mil-Spec ejection port door assembly with 5.3.1.2 MIL-STD-171 phosphate finish.
-Mil-Spec forward assist assembly with tool steel pawl and 5.3.1.2 MIL-STD-171 phosphate finish.

Barrel specifications-
-Barrel steel is Certified MIL-B-11595E Chromoly Vanadium Alloy.
-Raw barrel steel is Magnetic Particle Inspected prior to machining.
-Barrels are stress relieved.
-16" length.
-Mil-Spec M4 barrel extension with 5.3.1.2 MIL-STD-171 phosphate finish inside and out.
-1.2.2.2 MIL-STD-171 hard chrome chamber and bore.
-5.56mm Nato chamber.
-All chambers are Individually checked for head space twice (once before plating and once after plating).
-1:7 twist rate.
-All barrels are Individually High Pressure Tested (HPT) and then Individually Magnetic Particle Inspected (MPI).
-5.3.1.2 MIL-STD-171 phosphate finish on the barrel exterior.
-Mid-Length Government profile.
-.750 diameter front sight base location.
-Mid-Length DI gas system.
-1/2x28 thread pitch.
-Threads are concentric to the bore.
-Forged F-marked A2 front sight base with bayonet lug and 5.3.1.2 MIL-STD-171 phosphate finish.
-Barrel has 5.3.1.2 MIL-STD-171 phosphate finished under the F-marked A2 front sight base.
-The F-marked A2 front sight base is taper pinned to the barrel and perfectly straight.
-Rubber coated front sling loop attached with correct rivet.

Bolt carrier group specifications-
-Mil-Spec 8620 tool steel M16 bolt carrier w/shrouded firing pin.
-Carrier has 5.3.1.2 MIL-STD-171 phosphate finish inside and out with 1.2.2.2 MIL-STD-171 hard chrome bore.
-Laser engraved with ST Spider logo (visable through ejection port door opening).
-Mil-Spec tool steel carrier key.
-Carrier key has 5.3.1.2 MIL-STD-171 phosphate finish inside and out with 1.2.2.2 MIL-STD-171 hard chrome bore.
-Carrier key is attached with Grade 8 hardware and properly staked per the Mil-Spec.
-Bolts are CNC machined from Carpenter No. 158®.
-Bolts have 5.3.1.2 MIL-STD-171 phosphate finish inside and out.
-All bolts are shot peened per the current Mil-Spec.
-All bolts are Individually High Pressure Tested (HPT) and then Individually Magnetic Particle Inspected (MPI).
-Tool steel extractor, shot peened, 5.3.1.2 MIL-STD-171 phosphate finish, fitted with a Mil-Spec black extractor spring insert and Mil-Spec Viton o-ring.
-Mil-Spec firing pin with 1.2.2.2 MIL-STD-171 hard chrome finish.
-Mil-Spec cam pin with 5.3.1.2 MIL-STD-171 phosphate finish.
-Mil-Spec firing pin retaining pin with 5.3.1.2 MIL-STD-171 phosphate finish.
-Mil-Spec barrel nut with 5.3.1.2 MIL-STD-171 phosphate finish.
-Mil-Spec delta ring with MIL-A-8625F Type III Class 2 Hardcoat anodized finish.
-Forged Mil-Spec charging handle with MIL-A-8625F Type III Class 2 Hardcoat anodized finish.
-Mil-Spec 303 stainless steel Mid-Length gas tube.
-Double heat shield M4 hand guards.
-Round hand guard cap with 5.3.1.2 MIL-STD-171 phosphate finish.
-A2 Bird cage flash hider, 1/2x28 thread pitch with 5.3.1.2 MIL-STD-171 phosphate finish.
-Flash hider is properly timed with a crush washer.

Mid-Length LE lower receiver group specifications
Spike's Tactical lower receiver specifications-
-CNC Machined from a 7075 T6 MIL-H-6088 Forging.
-Low shelf for RDIAS.
-Milled engraving.
-MIL-A-8625F Type III Class 2 Hardcoat anodized finish inside and out.
-Mil-Spec lower parts kit with rounded hammer.
-Trigger and hammer engagement surfaces have been jeweled/polished during the manufacturing process.
-.154 diameter stainless steel trigger pin with black oxide finish.
-.154 diameter stainless steel hammer pin with black oxide finish.
-7075 Mil-Spec receiver extension (buffer tube), 1.14" diameter, 6 position, MIL-A-8625F Type III Class 2 Hardcoat anodized finish inside and out with MIL-L-46010 Dryfilm lube inside and out.
-Mil-Spec castle nut and latch plate with 5.3.1.2 MIL-STD-171 phosphate finish.
-Castle nut is torqued to 38ft-lb. and held in place by a properly staked latch plate.
-ST-T2 Tungsten heavy buffer.
-Mil-Spec 17-4 stainless steel buffer spring.
-Spike's Tactical Mil-Spec M4 stock with sling loop, hardware has been properly heat treated and 5.3.1.2 MIL-STD-171 phosphate finished.

Accessories-
-Detachable Mil-Spec Forged A2 Carry handle with MIL-A-8625F Type III Class 2 Hardcoat anodized finish.
-(1) Magpul 30rd Pmag.
-Hard plastic carry case.

**All of our products carry a LIFETIME Warranty**
 
billym said:
Build an AR; more fun less money.
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That's the truth. It's easy as heck if you're remotely mechanically inclined and you can build exactly what you want (preferably using quality parts). BCM has had a sale on their uppers and they're top tier. Though if you can swing it get a Noveske upper (and they'll send you a free stripped lower, it's a 2nd but you can't really tell).

You can always camo an AR yourself. IMO that's a better route because you can do it up to match your area, and paint up any new parts you may swap out at any point yourself to match the rest of the rifle.
 
billym said:
Build an AR; more fun less money.
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:thumbup: great advice here! Go to the bookstore or online websites (even youtube) plenty of info online how to build a lower, then buy a complete upper of your choice (ahem... BCM upper... ahem). Go to M4carbine website and check out the chart, alos check out their exchange. Spend your money right the first time. Buy once, cry once!
 
It is important to keep in mind that the Remington R-15 is clambered in .223 which is not the same as 5.56 NATO. It is not recommended that you shoot 5.56 NATO rounds in a rifle clambered for .223
On the other hand, it is generally accepted that it is a safe practice to shoot both the .223 and 5.56 NATO rounds out of a rifle chambered for 5.56. On a side note: If you are looking for more accuracy for hunting and more versatility in which round will function I suggest that you check out the .223 wylde chamber. Happy hunting.
 
Something to consider for people wanting to purchase AR weapons. Identify your need/purpose/want for the rifle. They aren't all the same. Some people want one for going to the range or for the style of it.There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Some people want them for defense purposes or instances where life is a factor, like LEO-work, Military, etc... However, there is an issue when people that want something for defense at rock-bottom range-gun prices. And then claim that their bargain barrel guns they built themselves using bargain prices are just as good as those that cost twice as much. Building AR's is fun, and I agree, one learns much more about the system then. But realize the differences in what parts are spec'd and why, and why some cheaper parts may not meet those specs, and what will happen eventually. Realize that building an AR does not an armorer make. There are huge differences in quality. Guns like DPMS, Olympic, Bushmaster, etc... have different quality control standards. Guns like Colt, BCM, Daniel Defense, and others have much higher standards for a reason. It's not paying for the name,a common misperception.

In summary, decide what you most want the gun to be used for, and shop accordingly. Do research, and invest lots of time to filter out internet noise on the subject. Weigh out the credentials and actual real experience people have. On something like this site, would you trust knife information from those that run ESEE more, or more from the guy that in his own mind only is an expert, has minimal experience, but like to make himself look good by repeating things he's read? The information on AR's is quite similar, and you need to have your BS filters engaged at all times, even on this thread.
 
+1 to TacticalSquirrel
AR's are fun, but there are many different ARs for different "needs".

On that note, I have a BM and a Colt, and they do exactly the same thing at the target range. On the firing line at trainings I've heard about far less failures and breakages from Colts, and BM being one of the brands that break more often.

Remember, you get what you pay for. And I've been holding off my lightweight BCM upper purchase for WAY too long now :-P
 
Rob, you're in Canada, have you looked at a tavor? I just picked one up and it is sweet!!! Non-restricted Israeli bullpup goodness. Check out canadaammo.com. With an AR you're stuck at a range in Canada. With a tavor or Swiss arms you're GTG anywhere you want. Just a thought, I still love my AR's.

ETA: nevermind I see you've got one already. I gotta remember to read the whole thread before posting
 
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