AR-15 or R-15

Tyrade83 said:
Rob, you're in Canada, have you looked at a tavor? I just picked one up and it is sweet!!! Non-restricted Israeli bullpup goodness. Check out canadaammo.com. With an AR you're stuck at a range in Canada. With a tavor or Swiss arms you're GTG anywhere you want. Just a thought, I still love my AR's.

ETA: nevermind I see you've got one already. I gotta remember to read the whole thread before posting
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Wow, that is a sweet rifle, I've never heard of it. Its cool that its non-restricted as well. 5.56 NATO, i'm sure you can use that round for deer hunting. Alittle out of my price range though.
 
Ya, the Tavor is a little pricey, but it is good to go for deer hunting in B.C.. We are allowed to use any centerfire cal (though common sense applies). Congrats on your new rifle, hope you enjoy it.
 
TacticalSquirrel said:
Something to consider for people wanting to purchase AR weapons. Identify your need/purpose/want for the rifle. They aren't all the same. Some people want one for going to the range or for the style of it.There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Some people want them for defense purposes or instances where life is a factor, like LEO-work, Military, etc... However, there is an issue when people that want something for defense at rock-bottom range-gun prices. And then claim that their bargain barrel guns they built themselves using bargain prices are just as good as those that cost twice as much. Building AR's is fun, and I agree, one learns much more about the system then. But realize the differences in what parts are spec'd and why, and why some cheaper parts may not meet those specs, and what will happen eventually. Realize that building an AR does not an armorer make. There are huge differences in quality. Guns like DPMS, Olympic, Bushmaster, etc... have different quality control standards. Guns like Colt, BCM, Daniel Defense, and others have much higher standards for a reason. It's not paying for the name,a common misperception.

In summary, decide what you most want the gun to be used for, and shop accordingly. Do research, and invest lots of time to filter out internet noise on the subject. Weigh out the credentials and actual real experience people have. On something like this site, would you trust knife information from those that run ESEE more, or more from the guy that in his own mind only is an expert, has minimal experience, but like to make himself look good by repeating things he's read? The information on AR's is quite similar, and you need to have your BS filters engaged at all times, even on this thread.
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This is the best advice yet.

Figure out what you want out of the rifle. If its going to be a designated hunter (or at least, that's it's primary use), then decide how you hunt and what you want out of it.

What distances do you typically shoot?

How do you want to hunt with this thing (do you hike around a lot so it needs to be light-weight or do you walk 20yds and get into a blind/stand so it can be heavier)?

Accuracy is presumably important if you're hunting, so a good barrel is key, but what game will you be hunting (twist rate comes into play to some degree if you want to shoot the larger .223 / 5.56 rounds in 75gr and larger).

Another thing to consider is that they've got a lot of AR-10 style setups now in exotic and standard hunting calibers (and WSM and WSSM calibers). With those options out there, there's some cool hunting rounds you could use in an AR platform.

Despite what a lot of folks will tell you, barrel-length is not as big a factor in accuracy as many would believe (lowlight from snipers hide disproves this on an 18" barreled .308 as he's banging steel at 1000yds).

I've built several ARs for different purposes and bought a few (some were just impulse buys :D).

Here's my current deer hike-around setup (Noveske Carbine w/Leupold VX-III 2-5x):

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Its camo'd enough for my environment (Oklahoma - lots of dead grass, some trees, rolling hills, woods, etc...) and I can take all of the "camo" parts off and put it back to black.

Here's my son's (its a super-light Spikes Tactical Build with a 14.5" pencil-barreled mid-length gas system - it weighs almost nothing and really doesn't have any recoil - he's 9 and has no issues with it and its plenty accurate to 200yds (with a magnifier on that Primary Arms red-dot):

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Here's what happens when you just get bored and you've got another EMOD in OD :D

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sparkem said:
Go buy yourself a $70-100 lower. Then go here http://ar15sa.fatcow.com/store/page2.html and get the 2H kit with everything but the stripped lower. That is what I did for my first AR. I was very happy with it. It is great for a starter.
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Wow, you just can't beat that for a general purpose carbine. I just saw a Daniel Defense stripped lower on sale at a gun show for $175. That would bring the total tab to around 8 hundy for a carbine and great learning experience, if it's your first build.

Thanks for the link! I've got some bros and family members that will love/hate me for passing that one along.:D
 
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