I have never seen a test where CS did a test of over few hundred pounds. On the other hand, Benchmade has show tests of knives holding over 1200 pounds thus they(cold steel) only do tests they know there knives will pass. CS rather do advertising that makes themselves look good, than actually produce innovative and good product IMO.
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Arch Lock vs Axis Lock? Favourite type of lock?
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I have never seen a test where CS did a test of over few hundred pounds. On the other hand, Benchmade has show tests of knives holding over 1200 pounds thus they(cold steel) only do tests they know there knives will pass. CS rather do advertising that makes themselves look good, than actually produce innovative and good product IMO.
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Wrong!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNYJdU6XypM
The doc you linked shows the Tri-ad lock ranking higher than any knife listed. Look before you link.
Also, the tested the old AUS8 version, had they tested the CTS-XHP version, overall ranking would be even higher.
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Axis vs. Arc I prefer the axis. Though similar I find the axis is much smoother, feels more natural and operated better overall IMO.
Triad vs. Axis is very apples and oranges. Triad has better "strength", but is also a very difficult lock to manipulate and arguable impractically strong. The axis is a delight to manipulate, and also a particularly "strong" design, though not in comparison to the triad lock.
If I was a soldier going on a tour or in a long-term survival situation, I'd prefer a triad lock.
As an edc that will mostly be used to open packages and cut food etc, I prefer the axis lock.
Triad vs. Axis is very apples and oranges. Triad has better "strength", but is also a very difficult lock to manipulate and arguable impractically strong. The axis is a delight to manipulate, and also a particularly "strong" design, though not in comparison to the triad lock.
If I was a soldier going on a tour or in a long-term survival situation, I'd prefer a triad lock.
As an edc that will mostly be used to open packages and cut food etc, I prefer the axis lock.
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A Benchmade folder holding over 1200 lbs? That's the biggest, maggot infested, steaming heap of equine excrement i've ever heard. What color is the sky, in your world?
What? Sure it would of tested better with the newer steel, but other knives have had improvements. Also, look at the score? The Recon 1 got a 63% overall... 15/28 knives ranked higher than the Recon 1... What are you talking about? The lock tied the ZT 0550 also... the ZT 0550 lock can be closed with one hand. Also that was an example to show how CS isn't the best, it is subjective lock wise. Also, the lock is not very efficient to close etc etc. I don't care for CS, but I asked mainly about axis vs arc lock...
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That's pretty darn impressive.
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Does cold Steel measure the torque or just how much weight they hang? The two are different I believe.
The reason I asked this as I always found the SOG Vulcan an attractive knife, but wasn't sure of the lock on the knife.
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I can't speak for the Vulcan. I have a bluto. Beautiful knife, fantastic fit and finish, but is designed so you can't really use the block to manipulate one handed. It would be less likely on a larger blade like the Vulcan. I also don't like the curve the lockbar follows. Feels funny to me. If I was to get another SOG, it would be a Vulcan, but because my experience I need to handle one first.
IDK, lets be honest. Both locks are so insanely strong that does it really matter? I just find the ability to close one handed/manipulate the lock so important that it makes up for the possibly small difference in strength. TBH, I really didn't want to hear about CS on this thread. IDK why people get so offended and feel the need to protect the company so much.
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[video=youtube;fNYJdU6XypM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNYJdU6XypM[/video]
[video=youtube;_-HjX6Hq_GM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-HjX6Hq_GM[/video]
I love the Axis lock, but facts are facts. This still happened. No, the weight isn't more than a few hundred pounds, but the point is that the Axis failed and the Tri-Ad didn't. In my usage, this test is irrelevant because for EDC I don't need that level of strength in my folding knives anyway, but as strong as the Axis lock is, it doesn't compare if pure lock strength is what we're after. The Axis lock is, however, much more fun and convenient to use. I like the pure spectacle of the Tri-Ad lock's strength as well as the reassurance that it can handle any emergency situation I might encounter, and that's why it's my favorite lock.
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They are indeed different. That 1700 inch-pounds is the product of force x lever-length, no? So that 1700 translates to ~800 lbs hanging-weight? That's still pretty high. I think most of the Cold Steel's tested by demko reached into the 500 lbs range or weren't tested to failure. The one i saw fail in their vids broke in the tang, not the lock.
It should be noted that the Benchmades rely on the steel lock-bar, pivot and also the steel liners. Many of the CS knives rely on the pivot, lock-face + pivot-pin and stop-pin often in the absence of steel liners. When the Benchmades fail, it is usually due to deformity of the liners and lock-bar as well as the pivot.
What does it take for a Cold Steel to fail? The Voyager tested against the Spyderco Tatanka only failed when the blade began to twist sideways and fractured in the tang around the pivot...
to the OP, I prefer the Axis Lock to the arc-lock, and pretty much any Benchmade to a SOG.
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