Are Andre de Villiers' knives made in South Africa?

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This is my only experience with the man and his knives…I’d trust him as far as I could throw him.


That's his MO. Have people forgotten he's in the hall of shame here?

 
OK......so if he is in S Africa (or Florida, or where ever), when you buy from him where does the package come from?
Oddly enough, there is no address on the ADV website other than Port Shepstone, KwaZulu-Natal, South Africa. No actual location. Also, I see that there is a knifemakers association of sorts in the KZN area. He's not listed, but there is an Adriaan de Villiers, not the same person...Not a member of the S Africa knife makers guild either from what I see......Not sure if that means anything, but you'd think that maybe.......?

 
I know nothing about Andre de Villier and his knives, but that shop photo is totally fake.

 
That's his MO. Have people forgotten he's in the hall of shame here?

Looks like the links in that hall of shame thread aren't working. They were created two or three forum versions ago. Here's a few of them:





At the end of the day, it doesn't matter where his knives are made. At these prices, pride of ownership is part of the selling point. Who's proud to own a knife "made" by a human piece of trash?
 
There is getting to be so much of this kind of thing happening its absurd.

It looks like there is (yet) another loud and proud combat vet thumping his chest about "American Made" that is lying to everyone and having knives made in China (not Hoback). But that is probably for another thread.

As to de villiers......as a maker, I'm HIGHLY suspect about that "shop pic". It's set up weird, looks staged and doesn't seem to match the finished product he allegedly produces.

His knives appear heavily (almost entirely??) CNC machined, which in this case screams "China" to me....or at least someone else that isn't him.

Look, CNC machining is fine....just say so. And if you aren't the one doing the machining, say so. It's all about transparency.
 
Since he's in South Africa, maybe he's too busy to take and post shop photos since he's always running away from people trying to kill him?

[66-2/3% joking]
 
I was thinking about the commenter above who stated that the absence of evidence of an ADV shop is not "proof" he doesn't have one. I see this sort of thing in various contexts and would like to clear up some misconceptions about the concept of "proof." Time for some napkin epistemology!

"Proof" means, roughly speak, evidence sufficient to establish the truth of a proposition. The word doesn't mean anything in the abstract; you have to have a standard that goes with it. For example, "mathematical proof" is the most rigorous. I can prove that the area of a square whose side is the hypotenuse of a triangle is equal to the sum of the areas of the squares on the other two sides. To do so I need only set out a handful of axioms and postulates, which, if agreed upon, lead to the air-tight, logical conclusion known as the Pythagorean theorem, which is as indisputable as four equaling the sum of two and two. So that's mathematical proof for you.

In the real world, as you move away from mathematics and the "hard" sciences (which rely on mathematical rigor), you get into more messy areas of "proof." This is where legal standards come in handy. The highest standard, from criminal law, is "beyond a reasonable doubt." In civil law, you have lower standards, usually "preponderance of the evidence" (a greater than 50% chance the proposition is true), or in some special situations "clear and convincing evidence" (somewhere between the former two standards).

The first question is what standard of proof would apply to the proposition that ADV doesn't make his own knives. I would say preponderance of the evidence.

The second question is, does the complete absence of shop or work-in-progress pics, in and of itself, lead one to the conclusion that it's more likely than not (i.e. greater than 50%) that ADV doesn't make his own knives? I'd say that fact, combined with the fact that nearly 100% of other makers active on social media do post such pics of theirs shops/work-in-progress, gets you pretty close to 51%. Maybe not all the way there, but close.

It's important to keep in mind that outside of mathematical proof, nothing is ever 100%. Even a video of him standing in a room full of boxes marked "Guangdong, China" and pulling out what look like ADV knives wouldn't do it; it would merely show that he has boxes of knives curiously marked. Even a videotaped, tear-filled admission by ADV that he doesn't make his own knives wouldn't cut it; he could always be lying. The point is you have to always have your standard of proof in mind.

That's it!
 
The links posted above are a few years old and it probably didn't mean much at the time, but something in the third link seems to be a bit odd. The OP, Chris_v_j wrote "Only reason I approached him directly is because his stuff is not available anywhere in SA."
Now if this maker was in S Africa, why would he not have a local following and be selling at least some of his stuff there? Just seems too coincidental to me.....Got to wonder where he actually was even then.

 
So let me say this about him. (possibly the obvious)

He is a bona-fide knifemaker. I have an auto he made for me over 30 years ago. I cannot remember where I met him (one of the SA shows) but he is a real knifemaker.

Who makes the stuff now, where it is made, and in whose shop..........?? I have absolutely no idea.
 
So let me say this about him. (possibly the obvious)

He is a bona-fide knifemaker. I have an auto he made for me over 30 years ago. I cannot remember where I met him (one of the SA shows) but he is a real knifemaker.

Who makes the stuff now, where it is made, and in whose shop..........?? I have absolutely no idea.

I have no dog in this fight, but how do you know he made it for you? Unless you were standing beside him in the shop (in whatever continent that may be) watching him work, he could have simply SOLD you a knife he CLAIMED he made. No???
 
I have no dog in this fight, but how do you know he made it for you? Unless you were standing beside him in the shop (in whatever continent that may be) watching him work, he could have simply SOLD you a knife he CLAIMED he made. No???
Fair point.

However this was a full custom order made from my design drawing and specification.
In South Africa in those days, before the internet, it would have been almost impossible for someone else to have made it for him without me and others knowing. Knifemaking here was much smaller and more closed then and if he had some other maker produce it, I would have known.

I gave him a drawing, we discussed it, and it was made to my specification. I then ordered a second one as a gift for a friend. Both made from my drawing.

It is highly unlikely that it was not made by him and my view is that it was. However keep in mind this was some 30 years ago........things change.
 
I have no dog in this fight, but how do you know he made it for you? Unless you were standing beside him in the shop (in whatever continent that may be) watching him work, he could have simply SOLD you a knife he CLAIMED he made. No???

Are you sure we landed on the moon, were you there!?

I know Sasquatch is real, we had a beer together.
 
It looks like there is (yet) another loud and proud combat vet thumping his chest about "American Made" that is lying to everyone and having knives made in China (not Hoback). But that is probably for another thread.
Just curious, what maker are you referring to?
 
(Private group, video not available.....I take it you are one of the 3.4k members) i just joined it last night to try to find any shop pictures or evidence of a shop. i found a video of a bunch of guys working in a shop, they were south african showed many machines one guy working on handles .ill try to capture the video.; see if this link works; https://fb.watch/eHYINlmHdj/ anyone can join, see the video then cancell....
 
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(Private group, video not available.....I take it you are one of the 3.4k members) i just joined it last night to try to find any shop pictures or evidence of a shop. i found a video of a bunch of guys working in a shop, they were south african showed many machines one guy working on handles .ill try to capture the video.; see if this link works; https://fb.watch/eHYINlmHdj/ anyone can join, see the video then cancell....
Link doesn't, work not joining anything on FB just to watch what may or not be a relevant video......
 
Well, the video is there if anyone wants to see it............
 
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