Are knife people cat people or dog people?

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Once had a German Sheppard. Smart dog. Understood commands in German, hand signals, etc. Would like another. Currently havea Carrin Terrier. Dumb as a stump. Won't own another.

Can do without cats.
 
Cats aren't to bad. Not much meat on 'em, but goooooooood eatin!

Give me a good dog any day!

Or two!

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<<<Derek,
Cats that have "gone wild" become notorious killers that kill off wildlife continuously and indiscriminately for pleasure, and not for food. I believe they are called ferril cats, and are to be shot at once.>>>

Good post except for the shooting part. Feral cats are hell on the game birds. In my opinion, any cat without a collar at large is a menace to animal life and should be taken to a no kill shelter. I've been tempted to shoot them, but I don't have the heart for it. I'm irate! Did you know there's hardly a wild covey of quail in all of Virginia. Enjoy cats and love them but keep them inside.

BTW I've got a German Shorthaired Pointer and we have to work on pen raised quail. [See the above rant] If I can't let him run at large-- I wouldn't because he'd become a deer burner--then why are cats allowed to roam?
 
Serious dog lover. My golden retriever will be one on Oct 17. I also have a pound puppy that is just as smart as any of the pure breeds I have had. This is also my one hundredth post.

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Congrats, Señor! Pound puppies rule!
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There seems to be, to my thinking, some misconceptions, both in thought and in birth, running around in this thread.

First: Cats versus Dogs in the "intelligence" department is specious. Why? The debate is properly framed around individuals. I have one very smart dog, two very smart cats, and three averagely intelligent cats and one average dog.

My one black domestic shorthair cat named Hammurabi is the genius of the lot of them. He has ambushed a chicken dinner without getting caught until he came home with barbeque sauce on his mug, (he sat undetected in a chair at the table until the chicken plate came in and then snagged a boneless breast and lept the fence without being spotted by twelve sober people mid-afternoon. He can turn on lights by jumping at them. He has opened the refrigerator. He knocks over empties at parties to drink beer off of the kitchen floor. He IS intelligent. I wouldn't dare train him because he trains himself. Dogs who do that kind of thing are just being naughty, and I have never seen a dog willing to try, let alone succeed, at leaping out of one tree into another one and ambush an adult crow like Hammurabi did last spring. That took a plan.

Brings me to my second point. There is no remarkable difference in intelligence between purebreds and mutts, cat or dog, at all. Don't believe me? Just try and get an Afghan to do ANYTHING remotely clever in under a week or less.

Lastly, I'd rather shoot so-called humans who shoot cats than run the risk of killing someone's pet. My cats often lose their collars in misadventures. Go to the pet store sometime and see that well made collars for cats are designed to break off if too much tension is applied.

At least I know someone who is so callous as to wantonly kill domesticated animals, whom we humans have brought into our social compact as non-food companions, is one miserable SOB who won't be missed by anyone without moss on her teeth.

Taking it upon yourself to do animal control via rifle is nothing short of animal abuse. If I ever catch anyone doing it, they'd best pray that they brought their A-game along with their sense of poor sportsmanship and that feeble God-like rush they got from blowing away a creature having no instincts on being hunted, because a near lethal thrashing will be imminent. There's nothing lower than a specimen of trigger happy trailer trash playing his real-life version of "Redneck Rampage". I can think of nothing more just than forcing some vaunted domestic cat hunter to eat what he shot--RAW! Sashimi at gun or knifepoint bad boy! Hope ya choke!

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[This message has been edited by Oregon Duck (edited 09 October 1999).]
 
Actually, the average mutt is generally smarter than the average purebreed. But how many breeds had intelligence as their main goal?
 
Oregon Duck,

I don't know what its like in the US, but here in Australia feral cats are a huge environmental problem and have resulted in may native species of small birds and marsupial mice etc, becoming either endangered or in some cases, on the edge of extinction, so quite frankly, if I find a cat out bush, and by that I mean 30 - 40km from any house or homestead then I will shoot it. End of story. I have seen too many areas where feral predators (both cats and dogs) have decimated native wildlife.

There is no "God-like Rush" or any of that other BS. I grew up on a farm, life/death, thats just the way things work. As for being trigger happy, I only fire if I'm sure of making an instant, clean kill, usually head shots only.

I agree there are some, and I hope a small and dwindling number, of people that match your description, but don't lump us all in together.

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Andre

 
Little purr ball just climbed up into my lap. I cant tell you how many times I have to delete his typing on the keyboard.

We have five cats and two dogs. The dogs belong to my wife, (Choc. Labs) and the cats belong to themselves.

Living in the country, cats and dogs are both outside much of the time. The dogs actually protect the cats, both directly and indirectly. The dogs keep fisher cats and coyotes away from the property. The cats play with the dogs tails. Every one gets along well.

I have one gray & Brown tiger who loves the canoe, I can't get it out without him. He is much less a hazard in the boat than a dog.

Anyone who would shoot a cat for sport needs to learn to sleep with their eyes open.


Mike
 
I am a dog person. I'm allergic to cats and don't like them as much as I like dogs, but I've seen a few cats that were so funny I just had to pet them and play with them. We've had four dogs in the family. Vusku, number 3 is still with us and he and Oliver (number 4) were the only dogs we've had at the same time. I like the characteristics of dogs, their love for their family and the courage they have, and when needed, will display. If all of them were still here, I couldn't pay them back for everything they have done for me. One lifetime isn't enough time to complete such a task.

Vusku is a mutt, he looks like Snoopy, except his ears, head and legs are brown and he has a white spot in his chest. Otherwise he's black. He is kinda small, but has a battle-roar that makes you grateful of not being the one it was intented for, and he doesn't bluff. Big men who work as bouncers have retreated, bleeding, after engaging him in combat. To his loved ones, he is trickster (when something tasty is involved) who can never
get enough of petting. He is also territorial and protective to his "pack".

Oliver was an English Springer Spaniel with a sensitive and curious mind and lots of funny traits. Whenever he wanted a door to be opened, he pawed it just once (not in the way dogs dig, but kinda like a human ringing a doorbell) and did it again in a few seconds if no one opened. When someone he liked (most people he liked the second he saw them, but he knew the "weirdos" was cautious around them. Vusku, on the other hand, may need years before he allows someone who isn't a member of the "pack" in the vicinity.) he used to grab a shoe in his mouth (not for tug-o-war, but a reason only he knew) and make these short, growling noices. Then he'd hide the shoe and nip the guest's nose, should he/she crouch and let him come to the licking distance. When he was sad, he went into someone's bed, stuff as much of the covers as possible in his mouth and whine quietly for a while. He differed from Vusku because he was more curious, always
hungry and sometimes a bit silly. Vusku tolerated cats, but didn't like other dogs (than Oliver) or people he didn't know. Oliver liked almost everyone, people or dogs, but hated cats. When out, me and Oliver used to chase this cat that was always on the loose and used to hiss at him. "Let's see about that", we thought. I don't consider this as abuse towards the cat, we couldn't have caught it (there were always trees and he was a fast one), Oliver and him were just being themselves, a dog and a cat. And I was just playing (and growling) along. And besides, the cat always started it
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I admire dogs for their love, loyalty and courage, cats for their agility. Cats can be useful, too. If I lived in the countryside, I'd have cats to keep mice and rats out.

I detest people who scream "That beast must be put away!" whenever they get bitten by a dog. Unless seriously ill, dogs never bite without a reason. I have been bitten by all the four family dogs, and it has always been my fault. People whom a dog doesn't know, usually make mistakes that cause the dog to warn them before he/she will bite, but usually not knowing anything about dogs, they ignore the warning and get bitten. The most often I've seen this happen is when a dog doesn't want to be petted or approached by a stranger, who ignores the warning (growling, stare, stance etc.).

Jani

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Good post from Australia! Cat people don't get it that the little brown fuzz ball in the lap becomes an ecological disaster outdoors.

Dogs can't run at large because they'll form packs and kill deer. If someone shot my German Shorthaired Pointer, whom I've spent hours of training time on and whom I love and who is curled underneath my desk right now, because he was out running deer or killing sheep, I would thank him. If my son robbed Banks, I'd want him in jail. Get it.

Now, Cat's shouldn't run at large either. Outdoors cats kill birds. The cats can't help it but you can. Spay and neuter. Keep them inside.
 
Sometimes we're quicker to make "on-topic/off-topic" judgements than other times. This thread has some intelligent responses in it, and/or some funny responses, and some responses I won't discuss, but on reflection I think it belongs over in the Community forum.

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