Are "Rambo" type knives practical?

I've owned a few good hollow handle knives, my only complaint was the saw backs. I like the hollow handle for stuffing some items in. I really liked the clip point bowie hollow handle that Sam posted I'd love a little less squared choil on it, and put a buckmaster style cap on the end, with the lanyard hole a hex that would fit regular hex toolheads. That would be useful in the field.
 
And please, here's no hate circus against HH or Rambo-type knives at all.. So I don't think this Rambo knife missionizing is appropriate.
From what I can tell the Stallone Rambo was no evangelist, but apparently some of his followers are. ;)
 
Iam old but as I remember the 1st knife was made I think by Randell for a Medic in Nam The saw back was for cutting the skin of a plane and the hollow handle held little medical kit pain pills maybe a rubber hose. To use to slow bleeding . It was not a survival knife.

Hello Michael and welcome to the forum. You're correct about the history of the Randall Model 18, but from the beginning it was called the "Attack-Survival". It is considered to be the first HH survival knife, but not the first HH knife. Those were introduced by Case and Kabar in the 40s. :thumbup:
 
Here is the Randall Model 18 story in case anyone is interested...:)



From Randall Made Knives: The History of the Man and the Blades, by Robert L. Gaddis, pp. 198-203


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On 8 January 1963, Bo received a nicely typed letter from Capt. George W. Ingraham, Medical Corps, United States Army. He was then with the 94th Medical Detachment and flew about Vietnam in old CH-21C helicopters. We'll let him tell his story by quoting from the letter than Bo received and kept filed away.

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I recently found a copy of your catalog here and began to cogitate on a knife especially designed for helicopter pilots and crew members here in Vietnam. Our problem is, in case of going down in the jungle, quite a large one as far as survival is concerned. Most of the men carry issue survival knives, various types of commercial knives, etc.

An airman going down in the jungle here has the problem first of getting out of the aircraft, then of constructing shelter and finding water, possibly hand-to-hand combat..., and finally of signaling rescue aircraft which come to search for him.

I believe that the knife best suited to this task would be a somewhat radical modification of you Model 14 "Attack" Knife as follows:

1. Into the top of the blade, saw teeth should be cut or filed, to cut aluminum, Plexiglass, etc., in freeing personnel from aircraft wreckage. I have seen one knife with this feature in the possession of an air force pilot here.
2. The 1/4" brass guard could be extended to form a full half-circle to serve as a "knuckle duster" for close combat.
3. The trickiest part of the modification would be the handle. I have illustrated the handle in the enclosure, and you will note that it features a screw-on butt plate, hollow handle of brass or copper pipe, silver-soldered or brazed to the tang of the knife blade. The compartments in the handle would be used for matches, water purification tablets, Dexedrine pills..., and possibly Demerol tablets for severe burns, etc. Leather rings could be sandwiched in the usual manner for the grip.
4. A sheath similar to the model C -- or the model C as illustrated -- should be used.



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...After thinking about Ingraham's ideas for a week, Bo wasn't happy with what he had to tell the serviceman. His 15 January letter opened with: "Your idea for the Survival knife looks good. It almost makes me cry to have to answer and tell you I (we) can't make even one for you." Bo went on to explain, "We've not been able to learn a way to put those sawteeth in, but I do agree that they should be there. I shall hope that sometime we can figure out how this is done."

...But the negative answer just wasn't god enough for Bo, and he couldn't get Captain Ingraham's ideas out of his mind. On Friday afternoon, he and Gary left for the Randall ranch, near the northern end of Lake Okeechobee. While driving south, they began to discuss this survival knife concept, and by the time they returned to Orlando the following night, they had formulated a design and fabrication plan....

Bo and Gary arrived home on Saturday night, and the next day, Gary went to the empty shop and began working on the prototype blade, starting with a Solingen Model 14 blank. He was successful, and the first thing Monday morning Gary put the finished blade on his father's desk. The new Survival Knife was off to a flying start!

...The next morning Bo wrote a new letter to Captain Ingraham and included it in the box with the two knives being sent to Vietnam. This time he was able to to begin on a positive note.


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"Well! I just couldn't resist the challenge you threw at me--especially since it got to keeping me awake nights. So!! I got my son on it too--and we worked Sunday bringing the #1 prototype of the "Ingraham-Randall Attack-Survival" knife into being--and here's yours, at no charge, the 1st of what may be quite a number of these knives--for I am now kind of enthusiastic over it and like the way it came out. Hope you do too.

I was particularly glad to discover we could cut the sawteeth in once we set our minds to it. These aren't bad either--we took a garbage can lid and cut it out of it without phasing the teeth at all.

...Brass pipe, of course, too heavy for the "compartment handle" -- So we finally dreamed up the stainless tubing. Then the problem of capping the end cropped up--since we were unable to thread said tubing and besides threading and making special threaded (watertight) cap too expensive....So! the crutch tip had to do it.

It is now our idea that the user will wrap whatever material he desires around the metal part of the handle, to attain a desired slip-proof grip; I'd think it could be either cotton or nylon cord glued into place; leather strips; or easiest of all--just adhesive tape of one kind or another.

...Anyway! here's hoping you like the way "she" came out. I am sending you a 2nd one also--for you to see how they will sell at $28.50, which is what we'll have to get for them."


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..."There is a lot of interest here for the knife,' Ingraham noted, "but most of the pilots are 'getting short' on their tours and don't want to spend the money this late in the game. I would certainly think that the knife would sell as a catalogue item, if the enthusiasm of the small detachment here is any indication." Within a couple of years, these words proved to be prophetic.
 
Here is my Buck. Its a well made knife. Ive no reason to feel undergunned with this knife.

Note 'reverse' handguard. That and finish lead me to believe, that it might have been 'yanked' from production before reaching the end of the line. Who knows.


As for large(-ish) knives being impractical and long bladed knives not being used...., I beg to differ.
This Lon Humphrey pig sticker has proven itself as a highly efficient tool in the field.
Its elegant lines and balance lends itself to being wielded in fluid motions that belies its size.
I wouldnt change an iota about it.

BladeScout, that is an interesting Buckmaster. I, too would be interested to find out what the back story is on that. Either way, cool knife. And that Humphrey is very nice also. That handle looks very comfortable. Did you get a chance to get any roast or bacon out of that hog? The stuff that I've had was quite good. Way to use a big knife. :thumbup:

No problem.
I'll be expecting my cigar in the mail. :D

Sorry man, I only ship to the lower 48, lol. :D
 
I've owned a few good hollow handle knives, my only complaint was the saw backs. I like the hollow handle for stuffing some items in. I really liked the clip point bowie hollow handle that Sam posted I'd love a little less squared choil on it, and put a buckmaster style cap on the end, with the lanyard hole a hex that would fit regular hex toolheads. That would be useful in the field.

Thank you, cricketdave. I love clip point bowies, also. One of my favorite blade shapes. Out of curiosity, do you mean to make the lanyard hole itself a hex hole? So that you could put a bit in there, and make the cap a bit driver? I think that's a cool idea. I love the type of innovation that finds multiple uses for something you have already. You're going to have a lanyard hole, why not make it serve a potential purpose, especially when there is no weight penalty? That might even make the cap a shade lighter, if only a gram or something. Cool. :thumbup:

And TAH, I'm not going to quote that letter in the interest of space, but let me say, very cool. How awesomely ironic that in a thread that at times has painted "Rambo" type knives as impractical, we find one of the original "Rambo" type knives was requested by someone in a combat zone, and was deemed quite desirable and practical by him, other troops in combat, and one of the greatest knifemakers and designers in history. Great find, Tom! :thumbup: :D
 
BladeScout, that is an interesting Buckmaster. I, too would be interested to find out what the back story is on that. Either way, cool knife. And that Humphrey is very nice also. That handle looks very comfortable. Did you get a chance to get any roast or bacon out of that hog? The stuff that I've had was quite good. Way to use a big knife. :thumbup:
Thank you:thumbup:
Yeah, if only we could know. It has a strange mottled hue, which doesnt quite come over in the gloomy pic.I lean towards it being yanked from the production line and hastily assembled.
I really should put the handguard on the coorrect way.

I really like the Lon Humphrey knife. It came out right and Lon is a pleasure to deal with.
He also thought it nice for the knife to be a user and especially for this purpose.
He did a good job on the knife and it is an effective sticker.

All meat is either eaten by me/us or donated to locals in need of food.
 
Thank you, cricketdave. I love clip point bowies, also. One of my favorite blade shapes. Out of curiosity, do you mean to make the lanyard hole itself a hex hole? So that you could put a bit in there, and make the cap a bit driver? I think that's a cool idea. I love the type of innovation that finds multiple uses for something you have already. You're going to have a lanyard hole, why not make it serve a potential purpose, especially when there is no weight penalty? That might even make the cap a shade lighter, if only a gram or something. Cool. :thumbup:

And TAH, I'm not going to quote that letter in the interest of space, but let me say, very cool. How awesomely ironic that in a thread that at times has painted "Rambo" type knives as impractical, we find one of the original "Rambo" type knives was requested by someone in a combat zone, and was deemed quite desirable and practical by him, other troops in combat, and one of the greatest knifemakers and designers in history. Great find, Tom! :thumbup: :D

Yep thats exactly what I mean, make the lanyard hole a hex shape to take a bit. It would sure be handy if you needed to tighten a screw or use a flat bit to pry a pin out of something.
 
From what I can tell the Stallone Rambo was no evangelist, but apparently some of his followers are. ;)

Not exactly correct... Evangelists preach faith. Faith is the true belief in something you cannot prove. This is more akin to making blanket statements about a type of knife without providing facts or evidence... As some choose to do here. On the other hand, some HH knife fans on here do in fact provide evidence on their findings, which is more closely related to scientific theory... Trying to disprove something until you cannot; thereby making it as close to factual as you can with the given findings. This loose interpretation more closely aligns the "haters" with the evangelical practices of "it's truth because I say it is... No evidence nessesary" sorry gents... It's just science.
 
Not exactly correct... Evangelists preach faith. Faith is the true belief in something you cannot prove. This is more akin to making blanket statements about a type of knife without providing facts or evidence... As some choose to do here. On the other hand, some HH knife fans on here do in fact provide evidence on their findings, which is more closely related to scientific theory... Trying to disprove something until you cannot; thereby making it as close to factual as you can with the given findings. This loose interpretation more closely aligns the "haters" with the evangelical practices of "it's truth because I say it is... No evidence nessesary" sorry gents... It's just science.

I Like it :):thumbup:
 
Not exactly correct... Evangelists preach faith.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/evangelist

evan·ge·list
noun \i-ˈvan-jə-list\

: a person and especially a preacher who tries to convince people to become Christian

: someone who talks about something with great enthusiasm

: a writer of any of the Gospels in the Bible

Full Definition of EVANGELIST

1 often capitalized : a writer of any of the four Gospels

2: a person who evangelizes; specifically : a Protestant minister or layman who preaches at special services

3: an enthusiastic advocate <an evangelist for physical fitness>

Examples of EVANGELIST

an evangelist of space exploration

First Known Use of EVANGELIST
13th century
 
Leghog, I dont know why you want to continue to embarrass yourself, but why don't you tell us which type of "Rambo" knife you were using when one of the Rambo features caused the knife to perform inadequately? Im sure you have a great example thats going to knock our socks off. Otherwise that would mean you were rather vociferously passing judgment on something based entirely upon no experience with said item. Im sure from the way youve mentioned all your time in the bush that youre no keyboard commando, so, thrall us, please. Then, we'll have at least one example of where a Rambo knife didnt cut it, so to speak. And obviously we're talking about quality knives, so no $5 cheapies.
 
Leghog, is this you???

[video=youtube;l8xmxadK6aM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8xmxadK6aM&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/video]
 
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/evangelist

evan·ge·list
noun \i-&#712;van-j&#601;-list\

: a person and especially a preacher who tries to convince people to become Christian

: someone who talks about something with great enthusiasm

: a writer of any of the Gospels in the Bible

Full Definition of EVANGELIST

1 often capitalized : a writer of any of the four Gospels

2: a person who evangelizes; specifically : a Protestant minister or layman who preaches at special services

3: an enthusiastic advocate <an evangelist for physical fitness>

Examples of EVANGELIST

an evangelist of space exploration

First Known Use of EVANGELIST
13th century

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Leghog, I dont know why you want to continue to embarrass yourself,...
No embarrassment here. Trust me.

The OP asked if "Rambo" type knives were practical. I say, no. I stand by my statement. Nothing to be embarrassed about.
 
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No embarrassment here. Trust me.

Come on now, can't you answer the question? Can't, won't, either way. You may not be feeling embarrassment, but you've lost any credibility by refusing to back up any statements with any sort of evidence, anecdotal or otherwise. Again, I'm happy you've found knives you like, and it makes no difference to me that they're not "Rambo" knives. But as an adult, there is accountability with statements you make. If you want to be taken seriously, (keeping in mind this is an internet forum where most of us may not know you or your background) you've got to back up your statements with something. Otherwise you're doing what's known as trolling. Usually I don't feed them, but this is a little fun, and I've got a little time to kill. You're statements have already been disproven, and you can't/won't put up any evidence of your own, but you don't know when to quit. I almost admire you. I'm kinda sitting here wondering what you're going to say next. While you avoid answering the questions, obviously, lol.
 
No embarrassment here. Trust me.

The OP asked if "Rambo" type knives were practical. I say, no. I stand by my statement. Nothing to be embarrassed about.

See above post, lol.
 
So what was it that was said here about evangelism? I've got nothing to sell.

Leghog, that is again embarrassing. Now you're casting aspersion on my love of HH knives because I also sell them. I have a paid membership here that allows me to do so. And not once in this thread have I told people my knives are the best/only HH knives. I have even mentioned other makers of HH knives. And even if I had been encouraging the purchase of my knives, that is called promotion, and is usually encouraged for any business that hopes to succeed. So that dog won't hunt.

I understand that you don't have a leg to stand on, leghog (no pun intended; ok, maybe a little bit). You've lost all of your credibility, but please don't totally flush your reputation by making attacks on a knifemaker with the proper membership talking about what he loves. Everything I have said here is backed up with photo/video proof. Nothing you have said is. I don't understand why you're resorting to this low level of attack on me, but there is no need for it. The knives have been selling themselves, especially with the videos and photos, without needing tricky ad campaigns or trying to persuade and coerce people into buying them.

So, you'll have to better than that. While you continue to avoid the questions/backing up anything you say, lol. And if you simply want to get a rise out of me, that won't happen either, as I come to the Internets for fun, not to argue with nameless/faceless detractors.

Thank you,
Sam Wilson :thumbup:
 
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