Arragh! HEEEEEEEEELP!!!

[Hibuke]

Hey all u fellow HIKV-ers/Khuk-Knuts/Whateverucallyerself...

I've run into a major dilemma: decision on my next Khuk!

I'm basically asking for comments/rants/comparisons/recommendations as to the various Khuks I am considering...

15" Siru Vs BAS; Is there much difference in performance? Can the BAS chop better? I know, the BAS may be more economical, as a BAS blem goes for bargain prices, but what else is in favour with either?

18" Siru Vs 18" WWII Vs 18" GS Vs 18" Chit/Chain; Is there much of a comparison here? Again, comments/recommendations for either?

20" Siru Vs 20" GS Vs 20" Kobra; Again, is there much to compare? I know the Siru may me beefier, therefore a better chopper, the Kobra may be faster, but what else? Which is a better all-round weapon-tool, something for both Machete-duty *AND* Filipino-styled (FMA) weapon-drills?

25" Kobra Vs 25" Siru; I've heard nothing but good reports from Tom (Holt) about the Kobra, but what 'bout a light, say, 2 pound, 25" Siru? Again, I'm looking for roles as mentioned above (machete-duty *AND* FMA-style-drills). I'm also interested in a Yataghan/Yatagan(sp?) substitute...

Questions? Comments? Snide remarks (I know Bruise would wanna jump in here )

To paraphrase a favourite 70s/80s Sci-Fi, "Help me __________ (your name here)... You're my only hope!"

 

[Bill Martino]

I'll defer to the experts.

 

[Eikerværing]

I have just been asking some questions about Gelbus and Chitlangis in the 18-20 range myself in the thread "Better Pictures of my HI Stuff". Something about Sirupatis there also. The thread is here on the forum's front page. You should have a look there.


The only HI khuk I have is a 25 Kobra. All I can say is that it is too slow for efficient martial arts stuff. Impossible to make it change direction quickly unless your name is Conan. It would be quick and easy if you could put two hands on the handle but it is only for one hand. And I am a person of 1,78 meters tall and normal build.

Well, you can have some fun with it and do drills. But if you want speed then a 25 Kobra is not fast. I think the 25 Kobra is basically a tool.

 

[Daniel Koster]

Originally posted by Hibuke
15" BAS

18" WWII

20" GS

25" Siru

 

[Eikerværing]

Yup, of the 25ers I would pick the Sirupati as well, as Pendentive recommends, but only for tool purposes on my part.

This choice since I believe it must chop deeper than the Kobra, but I never tried the Siru. My Kobra weighs 906 grams (on the heavy side) and it was ok to work full days with it chopping trees. Many times I felt that I needed more weight to it (and some times also a double handed handle).

 

[Federico]

What kind of drills are you doing? Ive done serrada moves with my 18" WWII and 18" kobra, and both are fairly quick and move about how they should for an eskrimado. Though, being more used to bolo, the straighter kobra felt better. My 20" siruputi is real heavy, not quite heavy enough for proper largo mano work, but makes itself noticed in Sinawalis (wont even try single stick work with it). If you move slow, you can use it for weighted training, but Ive gotten less fond of weighted training these days. Dont have anything bigger for khuks than the 20" siru, so cant comment.

 

[Hibuke]

Hey Pen,

So, what are your reasons/recommendations for those? They sound like fine choices, but why?





Much Thanks

 

[philthygeezer]

 

[Daniel Koster]

Originally posted by Hibuke
Hey Pen,So, what are your reasons/recommendations for those? They sound like fine choices, but why?

15" BAS - Utilitas

18" WWII - Fortis

20" GS - Citatus

25" Siru - Prolixus

 

[Ankerson]

I agree with these:

15" BAS
18" WWII
20" GS
25" Siru

The Bas will be a better Chopper than a 15" Siru

The 18" WW II is just awesome

There is nothing quite like a 20" GS.

The 25" Siru, well no Explaination needed here.

 

[BruiseLeee]

Obi Wan Kenobi would probably recommend the BAS. Being emaciated by his nomadic existence on Tattoine the khuks over 16.5" would be too heavy to use. The heavier weight of the BAS would also add beneficial leverage to dispatch the heavily clothed Sandpeople. Plus the BAS could easily be concealed under the tattered robe. The longer khuks on the belt could possibly interfere when one wanted to perform Jedi mind tricks.

"These aren't the droids you're looking... ow I poked my leg with the chappe."

That would be bad.

 

[Tohatchi NM]

Jedi Bruise,

Howdya get that funny bend in your lightsaber???

 

[Pappy]

I knew that when he got around to it Briuse would give uo a spot of humor.

I have handled all the khuks that I have quite a bit by now. For weapons I would not go to the long heavy blades. The only long blades that I have are the 20" Siru and Kobra. After working with the blades the BAS, 15" Siru, and the 18" Siru are the fastest handling of the bunch. The 15" Siru isn't much of a chopper though but it sure does a good job in the kitchen for heavy cutting and slicing.

 

[The Big Kahuna]

15" BAS - Utilitas

18" WWII - Fortis

20" GS - Citatus

25" Siru - Prolixus

_____________________

I can't resist this (clearing my throat) . . .

. . . and what would you use for coitus?

 

[raghorn]

Originally posted by The Big Kahuna
I can't resist this (clearing my throat) . . .

. . . and what would you use for coitus?

This is where the "furry scabbard" reference comes into play... :footinmou

 

[Hibuke]

Originally posted by Federico
What kind of drills are you doing? Ive done serrada moves with my 18" WWII and 18" kobra, and both are fairly quick and move about how they should for an eskrimado. Though, being more used to bolo, the straighter kobra felt better. My 20" siruputi is real heavy, not quite heavy enough for proper largo mano work, but makes itself noticed in Sinawalis (wont even try single stick work with it). If you move slow, you can use it for weighted training, but Ive gotten less fond of weighted training these days. Dont have anything bigger for khuks than the 20" siru, so cant comment.

Weeeeeeeeell, for starters, it's definately not considered purely FMA... I'm doing Hochheim's Archipelago Combatives, a seamless hybrid fusion of the best of the best from the Pacific's Archipelagos; Modern Arnis, Arnis De Mano, Illustromo Kali, mutliple other FMA-concepts, JKD, Bujitsu Kempo, Denora-system Aiki-Jitsu, Gaylord-Method Kajukenbo, Indonesian Sadiq Kuntao Silat, various other IMA Silat systems, all filtered thru military and police experience...

I don't even use half of the Filipino-names for techniques, just Sumbruda (sp?) and Sinawali, which form a core for further techniques and drills...

What kind of 20" Siru do u have? In general, how do the GS, 20" Siru, and Chit compare? Is it worth shelling out for a 20+" Chit in liew of a 20" or 25" Kobra or light (2 pound) 25" Siru for what I want?





Much Thanks

 

[Hibuke]

Hey Ankerson,

Thank u very much!

Originally posted by Ankerson
I agree with these:




The Bas will be a better Chopper than a 15" Siru

The 18" WW II is just awesome

There is nothing quite like a 20" GS.

The 25" Siru, well no Explaination needed here.

Okie, how does an 18" Chit, 18" Siru, 18" WWII and 18" GS compare? I'm guessing the WWII lives up to it's reputation as the best all-rounder of the bunch described?

How does a 20" GS, 20" Chit, and 20" Siru compare?





Much Thanks

 

[Ankerson]

Originally posted by Hibuke
Hey Ankerson,

Thank u very much!




How does a 20" GS, 20" Chit, and 20" Siru compare?





Much Thanks

With mine anyway:

The GS has a neutral balance, is lighter than the other two.

The Siru is more tip heavy, but not too much, it's alittle heavier than my GS, but alot light than my Chit.

The Chit is alot heavier than the other two, balance is more towards the tip makeing it more blade heavy which would make it the best chopper of the 3.

Here is a picture of mine:

 

[Federico]

Hibuke I believe my 20" Siruputi is by Kesar. Good half inch thick at the bend, and very little distal taper making it swing very tip heavy.

An 18" WWII may work well, but I found the bend kinda throws my perspective off. It minimizes the amount of spine I have for my left hand to re-inforce the blade. Not too bad, but it always makes me feel funny when Im doing my single stick work. Which is why I prefer the 18" Kobra. Its a little straighter, and feels more like the bolos I like to play with.

The reason I dont like using my 20" Siru for single stick, is that its heavy enough to make my arm feel it noticeably, and such un-even exercise isnt good for you. Ive tried to do long-stick work with it, but its not heavy enough to feel right. Not to mention the bend feels funny. I do like using it for strength training for sinawali, but thats because I can switch hands between right and left and get a more even workout.

 

[Rusty]

The real solution is the 20" chainpuri. Unfortunately I own the only one I can remember H.I. having made.