Art Knives? Or Not?

As someone who collects mostly "art" knives, I feel obliged to say that I don't think that knives (any knives) is art, unless they are a subset of some other, objectively defined, art (e.g., sculpture or drawing encompass some examples of carving, engraving, etching, scrimshaw, etc, found on knives).

I also find the premice that art is subjective a non-starter - I completely disagree with that, and more to the point no discussion is possible if we agree that everyone's opinion is equally valid.
 
don...your "art knife" in question....for the handle....is that the natural state of the end of the ivory.....or did you create that.....i like the contrast of the sort of antique feel to the handle with the blade.....i do consider it art but i feel like a term like "art knife" is pretty broad and hard to narrow down.....one man's junk is another man's art......ryan
 
As someone who collects mostly "art" knives, I feel obliged to say that I don't think that knives (any knives) is art, unless they are a subset of some other, objectively defined, art (e.g., sculpture or drawing encompass some examples of carving, engraving, etching, scrimshaw, etc, found on knives).

I also find the premice that art is subjective a non-starter - I completely disagree with that, and more to the point no discussion is possible if we agree that everyone's opinion is equally valid.

All knives are "sculptural",... 3D.
 
Maybe - but then what craft isn't? If any craft is a piece of sculptural art, then what's the point of having special terms for either?

Sculpted and sculptural both mean essentially the same thing,… formed in 3 dimensions as opposed to 2 dimensions, like photography, weaving, embroidery etc...

Interesting…
You collect Fogg knives right? Last I heard Fogg doesn't personally consider any of his knives to be art. He has been very clear about that. Yet you do consider them to be art. This just goes to show that it's purely a matter of opinion. Each person defines it in their own way.

The term "craft" traditionally implies that the art work has a function other than pure aesthetics or is utilitarian in some way,... yet even sculpture and painting serve their purposes architecturally or decoratively.

It really doesn't make that much sense, but I think we all know the difference between a sculpture and a knife. :)
 
Interesting…
You collect Fogg knives right? Last I heard Fogg doesn't personally consider any of his knives to be art. He has been very clear about that. Yet you do consider them to be art. This just goes to show that it's purely a matter of opinion. Each person defines it in their own way.

No - that's my point, I don't consider them art.

The focus of my collection is on knives people would probably call "art", and I admit it's a convenient way to speak, but I don't think it's an accurate term, as far as knives are concerned.
 
Some art knives look more like women's accesories to me.. I doubt anyone masculine would feel comfortable wearing it by their side in a sheath. Take for instance some of the highly decorated jeweled handles or sheaths. San Franscisco knives...

I do believe everyone should do whatever they want, for whatever reasons they have.. just I don't always understand the vision.

I prefer the experiments with designs that some makers do. I consider this art. Not relying on traditional ABS patterns. Tai Goo, Ken Onion, two examples.

The fantasy knife and art knife, where's the line?
David
 
There is no line.

There isn't any law or anything else to stop a person from calling any handcrafted knife an "art knife".

Some might want to say that "art" implies "high quality" or beauty. However, since beauty and quality are in the eye of the beholder,... this won't hold any water either.

It's a moot topic.
 
Anyone ever see a "science knife"? :D
Interesting question.
I'd say that knives that based PURELY on functionality and using the best materials, tools and innovation would qualify. Again, I severly limit this category, but here's a few that I might include:
Knives such as:
Allen Elishewitz. (not all of his knives of course)
Grant folders.
Nexus knives
Busse knives
Survival knives by Tom Johannson.
 
Interesting question.
I'd say that knives that based PURELY on functionality and using the best materials, tools and innovation would qualify. Again, I severly limit this category, but here's a few that I might include:
Knives such as:
Allen Elishewitz. (not all of his knives of course)
Grant folders.
Nexus knives
Busse knives
Survival knives by Tom Johannson.

Any and all art involves science.
 
I've never seen a knife that was purely functional. What would that look like? :D
 
I've never seen a custom handmade knife that didn't “try” to take aesthetics into consideration,... especially anything professional.
 
Why did “God”, (or evolution) give us hands and eyes?
…Was it to feed our intuition?

Knives are “HUMAN“.

If a knife looks and feels like a piece of crap,… it probably is!

“Function follows form“…
 
What I’m saying is,.. If “art knives” aren’t “art“,… why would anyone collect them without intending to use them?

I mean,… who “needs” an “art knife”? :D
 
In the broadest of terms any knife that is appreciated for it's artistic appeal rather than used as a tool or weapon could be considered an "Art Knife".

Stay with me, Kevin......

Ken Onion coined the term "mid tech" to mean a knife that had parts manufactured by outside businesses, but assembled by him, ground, and finished by him.....the term got misused by others to the point that Ken had to re-state what he meant multiple times in multiple forums.

Phil Lobred created the AKI to have an association formed for the purpose of creating a one-day show and sale for an invited group of discriminating collectors. The emphasis is on more innovative work. Past AKI shows have been the showplace for these makers to unveil new models, new locking mechanisms, new trademarks, one of a kind creations and overall a lot of really creative work.

The following is a direct quote from his website:

"Throughout history the world’s greatest bladesmiths have designed and built art knives and certainly knifemaking in America has seen many changes in the past 200 years, but never in history has there been a greater renaissance in knifemaking than in the last decade.

With advanced steels and an emphasis on workmanship, a handful of contemporary knifemakers create fascinating examples of this art form today. With the emphasis taken off the utility aspect of this most useful of all hand tools and placed on creativity and execution, “Art Knives” by important makers are rapidly gaining popularity as unique collectibles.

The 1983 Art Knife Invitational is an effort to place 16 such makers before a select group of collectors for the purpose of viewing and purchasing some of the most spectacular art knives being made in the world today."

-Phil Lobred
May 1983

It is obvious when you read that old introduction that the American art knife scene, even the term itself, was in its infancy. The term “Art Knife” was discussed and selected as the most descriptive. That is why it was put in quotation marks. There was really nothing else to call these fabulous new knife creations at that time. The term fit and it stuck. Two shows were produced, one in 1983 and one in 1984. Both were held at the MGM Grand Hotel, Reno.

So...all of you that don't like the term "art knife"...don't use it. The term has use and merit, and value....It is my feeling that it will outlive us all, even though it is frequently misused.

I personally don't see art in a Ford Taurus, or an American Standard urinal, or in a yellow plastic bowl from China, but it does not mean that someone else does. I can call crappy art, crappy art, but someone else might say the same of my stuff. I am not going to fight about it.

A little historical perspective is good for the discussion, no?

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Just to add another twist to the 'art' knife. The Blade Show West 2006 'Best Art Knife' award went to a great looking carbon steel/sheep horn bowie by Bruce Bump. Looks like an engraved guard (from Blade magazine picture). Plus, it is a reproduction of an R. Bunting & Sons antique bowie.
I guess my question would be, did it fall into the 'art knife' category due to the engraved guard, the bowie being a reproduction, or just the judges decision to place it there?
Most knife shows seem to have the award, I'm just curious if it is always a wide-open category?
Maybe Bruce can post a picture or comment? The reproduction of an antique bowie probably qualified his award winner. Our opinions will always differ on this, but maybe some past judges that frequent the forums would comment?
And Tai, Wikipedia does not list art knife in its definition of 'Knife'. :D

- Joe
 
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