Attempted price fixing on eBay?

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I'm a little stunned right now. I was just high bidder on a Shadow III on eBay. When I checked the bid history, I noticed a bid by "cut-once". Out of curiosity, I checked the e-mail address and found that it was "creeve@micron.net". A quick look at the CRK website confirmed that that is indeed your company's e-mail address. Are you attempting to bid up prices of your knives that you deem to be too low? I'm shocked to see this from a company with the reputation of Chris Reeve Knives. I am curious to hear what you have to say about this.

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Carl
 
Carl,

Hope your theory is wrong! Can't see why anyone at CRK would bid on their own knives on Ebay...

Please list the link to this auction, if this is true....

Michael

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He who has smelt the smoke is never free again...
 
Hi Guys, I checked out what Havoc posted & unfortunately what he says about the auction appears to be correct. Someone using the I.D. of cut-once: (e-mail address of creeve@micron.net) has bid on two auctions of Shadow III knives. Here are the auctions: http://cgi.EBAY.com/aw-CGI/ebayISAPI.dll?viewItem&Item=438787385
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?viewItem&Item=441749235

As this appears to be a company e-mail address, I don't think at this time anyone should be accusing Chris Reeve of doing this personally. Someone at the company may have just wanted one of these knives at a better price. I.M.O., I think he needs to investigate this to see who did it, to avoid any bad feelings from his customers. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt. Just an impartial observer, Doug.



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<shrug> Could be someone wanted the knife and was bidding like anyone else.

I doubt anyone has the desire or the time to worry about used prices on ebay.

DaveH
 
Peculiar indeed!

Why should a private person bid under the Chris Reeve company motto and address?

But more unlikely would seem the fact the CRK is trying to boost the price. A. they don’t get the proceeds, B. they don’t have any disadvantage from a low sales price on ebay. Besides that, if they were the highest bidder and wouldn’t honor their bid, they would receive a negative feedback.

I’m looking forward to the explanation
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Yeah, I guess a link would've made sense. Duh. (Hey, it was late and I was tired) The second link Doug listed is the auction I won.

I'm not sure what's going on here, but whatever it is, something ain't right. I want to hear the company's side before I fly off the handle or anything though.

As far as why they might be doing this (please notice the word "might"), the paranoid, cynical side of me can easily think of a reason. For now, I'll leave it at that until I hear what the company has to say.

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Carl
 
Although it might be a bit odd, I'm not sure that there is anything wrong with Chris or anyone affiliated with CR Knives bidding on Ebay items offered by an unrelated seller.

There is no question that the demand for CR Knives currently is greater than the supply given the backorder situation. The laws of supply and demand would suggest that the prices are currently too low and if they were increased the supply and demand would converge. I can't see how bidding up the price on eBay (with the associated risk of purchasing the knife at that price) would be an effective means of better controlling the distribution of your product. On the other hand, perhaps the concern is shady sellers that may not provide the level of service to CRK customers. I too am curious about this situation but I'm more puzzled than anything else because I don't think that there was any wrongdoing.

-Alan
 
Smells fishy to me... think about it -

1. If the price get's too high, then the cut-once person has to buy the knife

2. Why bid up the prices when there's such a high demand for them already?

I don't buy it - sounds like a setup.

Spark

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As the owner of two Sebenzas, if someone from CR is trying support the prices of CR Knives, I can only say ........Thanks. I'm happy that my knives hold much of their value.
 
Why should our bid on eBay even be a question? The whole idea of a public area in which items can be bought and sold is for any purchaser to bid on the products listed. If that price is a bargain, the purchaser scores. Is there any reason why the manufacturer of that knife should be precluded from such an opportunity?

For years, we have traded in our own knives – this is part of our customer service. We will buy knives back, recondition them and sell them. This has enabled many of our customers to trade up, trade down, or even trade out (although “out” doesn’t happen too often!). Why should we not be permitted to make a purchase on eBay and re-sell the knife? Remember, this is the USA – the home of free market trade.

The reference to price fixing is bizarre! The bid that we placed was $10.00 - if we had bid $50 or $75 to put the price up to retail, then that could be construed as price fixing. We are 4-6 months back ordered – there is a high demand for our knives so why should we be precluded from trading in our knives. Just like everyone out there, we like to make a profit on buying and selling knives.

Chris
 
Chris, makes sense to me. I just hope you wouldn't have sold the knives for new again
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Big Al, I think what Chris ment was the DIFFERENCE between the bid before him and the amount he put in. He increased by $10, and didn't set his bid at the retail price.
 
Ralf, I believe your right. That's probably what he meant. One bid was $10 higher than the previous bid and the other was only $5 more.
 
Hey i got an idea why dont yall just back of crk their knives kick ass and they are really nice people so quit yer whining

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after the take our guns away they're comin after our knives
 
Originally posted by Chris Reeve Knives:
Why should our bid on eBay even be a question? The whole idea of a public area in which items can be bought and sold is for any purchaser to bid on the products listed. If that price is a bargain, the purchaser scores. Is there any reason why the manufacturer of that knife should be precluded from such an opportunity?

Most manufacturers, in any product category, make their money from - wait, this is a crazy idea - "manufacturing" things, not reselling. So you can buy your own stuff cheaper on eBay than you can make it?

For years, we have traded in our own knives – this is part of our customer service. We will buy knives back, recondition them and sell them. This has enabled many of our customers to trade up, trade down, or even trade out (although “out” doesn’t happen too often!). Why should we not be permitted to make a purchase on eBay and re-sell the knife? Remember, this is the USA – the home of free market trade.

This is where the wrestling fans start chanting U-S-A!, U-S-A!, U-S-A!, right? I expected someone would bring up the "it's a free country!" line. Sure, you have every right to bid any amount on any item you want. And I have the right to think this has a foul smell to it, and change my mind about the future CRK purchases I planned to make.

The reference to price fixing is bizarre!

It's the phrase that seemed to fit best at the time. Bidding on something you manufacture seems more bizarre. Selling a knife to a distributer, then buying it back at a higher price to sell again, well, that sure doesn't sound like a brilliant marketing strategy. (Yeah, I assume you planned on reselling it direct to a customer at list price. That's the only way this made any sense, unless you were simply out to drive prices up.)

The bid that we placed was $10.00 - if we had bid $50 or $75 to put the price up to retail, then that could be construed as price fixing. We are 4-6 months back ordered – there is a high demand for our knives so why should we be precluded from trading in our knives. Just like everyone out there, we like to make a profit on buying and selling knives.

Most manufacturers deal with high demand by making more product, not by reselling the same product over and over. And forgive me if I shed no tears for your profit margin; I'm sure you're doing better with that than most knife manufacturers. Which, of course, is even more reason to stay back ordered, keep demand up, and keep prices high. Again, it's a free country, so knock yourself out.

Hey, but on the bright side, I now can show people how much Chris thinks his knives are really worth.
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It's funny - the sound of that Project I calling my name has faded to just a whisper now. . .

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Carl
 
Originally posted by project2lover:
Hey i got an idea why dont yall just back of crk their knives kick ass and they are really nice people so quit yer whining

Hey, I got an idea too - why don't you go back to school and learn how to write a sentence that doesn't look like a 3rd grader wrote it.

Irony alert! - Sounds like your whining about my whining.

after the take our guns away they're comin after our knives

Sounds like more whining to me.

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Carl
 
Maybe CRK is buying used knives on ebay for reconditioning and resale to compensate for a gap between production and demand. Doesn't Mercedes, for example, recondition their cars and sell/lease them again as used?
I'm no expert on US law, [Canadian law is rather different] but if Daimler can do it and not be charged with price fixing, why can't CRK?
But, with great respect, that seems odd to me. CRK knives aren't like cars. They don't depreciate and get replaced quickly and routinely. There might be a significant secondary [resale] market that undercuts the primary price, or at least a highly visible one [ebay]. Bidding to prop up the price there, [as opposed to entering the secondary market directly and incidentally affecting the price, even if that is OK,] probably is not OK.
Personally, I don't care. I think the CRK knives are worth the price. I think a reconditioned program would be appreciated by many Sebenza fanatics. But someone else, possibly in a dark suit, might be concerned out of proportion to the issue.
CRK should think on it and talk to someone who knows US law before giving any definitive statements here or buying a substantial number of more knives.

 
Carl, get a life and stop trying to cause trouble.

Chris, I'm sorry you have to put up with this $h*t.



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RICK - Left Handers Unite
 
A few questions that need answers at this point...
1) Are the used knives (that have been reconditioned) sold as new?
2) I bet they are not (or at least I hope so
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)... so how much are they? Where can I buy them, from CRK directly?

Hugo.
 
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