Axis lock and IWB carry - dangerous!?

I carry a guardian tactical recon-35 otf as an IWB carry on the right back hip. Not worried about any accidental opening and it’s thin and flat.
 
This is one reason I like cargo pants and cargo shorts. Wallet and phone in right cargo pocket. Knife, handkerchief, and flashlight in left cargo pocket.

I don't IWB carry for knives.

Do you wear a belt? I'd consider a belt pouch to add to your belt. If I carry my LM, it goes on the belt usually.
 
Yes, IWB carrying a knife is dangerous if you're a Canadian. It is generally viewed as illegal, as you need to have a pocket clip (etc) showing to the public and police. Otherwise legally it is considered "concealed carried" which is a big no no for knives.
 
Gideons said:
Yes, IWB carrying a knife is dangerous if you're a Canadian. It is generally viewed as illegal, as you need to have a pocket clip (etc) showing to the public and police. Otherwise legally it is considered "concealed carried" which is a big no no for knives.
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So slip joints without pocket clips are illegal? Wow!
I don t understand the rationale for some knife laws.
 
Gideons said:
Yes, IWB carrying a knife is dangerous if you're a Canadian. It is generally viewed as illegal, as you need to have a pocket clip (etc) showing to the public and police. Otherwise legally it is considered "concealed carried" which is a big no no for knives.
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That's just not true.

So much infact, that in some places (say, Calgary), you're permitted to carry a knife as long as it's NOT showing.

You can't carry any weapon. Ever. Not even for self defense. Anywhere in Canada.

But you can carry a knife as a tool.
 
I prefer backlocks for IWB carry amd for the reasons stated in the OP, probably wouldnt with a benchmade. But when i do carry IWB, theres usually very little wiggle room in the first place. As i carry to the side when i carry IWB the arc of the waist also prevent the knife from opening,
 
My wife and I both have had axis locks accidentally open on us so I would be cautious about caring it in the waistband. It might not stop me but I would be doubly cautious.
 
Boru13 said:
You never miss a opportunity to mention the Tri-Ad lock do ya... you gettin a kickback from LT :rolleyes:
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I wish ! :p

When Cold Steel went to MAP , I complained bitterly on their forum . :mad:

I've also provided lots of negative feedback on their QC regarding the Tri-ad . And described many time how it may be necessary to go through an extended break in when you get a lemon with severe lock stick . Although , I've not had any problems on my most recent ones . So hopefully they're doing better now . :confused:

Still and all , the strongest lock for hard use on the market , that doesn't require some kind of extra safety or pin . :cool::thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
Grandmaster said:
Backlocks and fixed blades only for IWB carry
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Yup. I watched a YouTube lock test and only with a lockback, was the lock not the weak link. On every other type, the lock gave up at some point.... But with the lockback, the blade snapped first!! :eek::eek::eek:

A great detent in an added bonus and important safety feature.
 
CanadaKnifeGuy said:
That's just not true.

So much infact, that in some places (say, Calgary), you're permitted to carry a knife as long as it's NOT showing.

You can't carry any weapon. Ever. Not even for self defense. Anywhere in Canada.

But you can carry a knife as a tool.
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Also on your point about Calgary laws, Federal laws supersede local laws. Concealment, to many changes intent and our laws are ambiguous enough that it comes down to a case by case basis or the individual you're dealing with. Just because you don't think what you're doing makes a difference, it would be ignorant to think concealing a knife cannot have an effect on the perception of others. Even in this thread depending on who people spoke to in the Calgary police they got a different answer on concealing knives. It is important to note that concealment of a weapon caries much more serious punishment

https://www.canucksurvival.com/canadian-knife-laws-what-you-can-and-cant-carry/
 
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Gideons said:
Also on your point about Calgary laws, Federal laws supersede local laws. Concealment, to many changes intent and our laws are ambiguous enough that it comes down to a case by case basis or the individual you're dealing with. Just because you don't think what you're doing makes a difference, it would be ignorant to think concealing a knife cannot have an effect on the perception of others. Even in this thread depending on who people spoke to in the Calgary police they got a different answer on concealing knives. It is important to note that concealment of a weapon caries much more serious punishment

https://www.canucksurvival.com/canadian-knife-laws-what-you-can-and-cant-carry/
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Did you read and comprehend anything that linked to!? Everything I said was 100% validated. You literally made my points for me. The law is a better guide than some of those amateur lawyers' interpretation tho.

I don't carry weapons. For self defense... I employ tactics to talk them down, distract, de-escalate and if that doesn't work... I break out my Run-Fu.

Also, you've posted that you carry a SAK Cadet Alox every day.... Perhaps... "Concealed" in a pocket!? :eek::eek::eek:

I don't like the wording of our laws and don't like the ambiguity and potential for abuse / unjust application....

But in practice, it's about common sense.

Don't conceal a machete in a mall. Don't go to a city hall meeting with a dagger. A samauri sword on your back at a parade may get you some unwanted attention.
 
Pteronarcyd said:
I'm having a hard time envisioning how that could happen. Can you explain?
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It’s in the design. Well it’s better than a liner lock, it does not have a bias to close that is as strong as some other locks. You can drop An axis lock I have it land just right and it will open. I’ve almost been stabbed in the foot like this. Just being in your waistband can somehow move the knife in such a way as it can come open under some circumstances but certainly not all circumstances.

I think this lock is much safer than a liner lock or a frame lock when it comes to accidental opening but not as good as a back lock or a CBBL or a button lock. It’s true that bench maid has made back locks that were so easy to overcome they’re dangerous without a sheath. I know because I have two. However that is the exception rather than the rule. The back lock has a very strong spring normally putting tension on the blade and keeping it closed when the knife is not needed, but the axis lock does not have this tension on the blade in the same manner. Once the knife with an axis lock has managed to open a very slight bit it will want to continue to open or to stay partially open. In this regard alone and ask more like a liner lock.
 
^ It seems to me for an axis lock blade to deploy while carried IWB, the lock would have to be broken or your body and/or pants would have to somehow deactivate the lock. If this is a concern, carrying at 3:00 or later (assuming one is right handed) would seem to be wise. Appendix carry of a firearm violates a fundamental gun safety rule, so anyone who does it is buckin' for a Darwin Award. If it is even remotely possible for a knife to open during carry, anyone carrying in front is also a Darwin Award candidate.

Doesn't IWB carry expose a knife to a humid, sweaty environment? That alone seems a good reason to avoid it.

WA prohibits carry of a dangerous weapon furtively with intent to conceal. Based on a state supreme court ruling, I'm pretty sure IWB carry would be regarded a furtive. They ruled that carrying a dangerous knife in an inside coat pocket was furtive, because a knife is typically carried in an outer pocket. Another example cited was boot carry would be furtive, because most people don't carry that way. The state's definition of a dangerous knife is vague (beyond a dirk or dagger), but one appellate court ruled (without publishing the ruling) that any knife with a blade in excess of 3 inches is dangerous. Our politicians may have consulted Canada for advice when passing our laws.
 
CanadaKnifeGuy said:
They work GREAT!! For my phone, keys, pocket sheath / BK-14, etc.

No room for folders.

And as discussed, keys could disengage the lock and them you have a benchmade in your femoral artery.
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And a meteorite could come screaming through your ceiling any moment... are you wearing a helmet?

You're worrying about something that could potentially, but probably won't happen. Since it worries you though, why not carry something like a a Delica or Chaparral? You're even less likely to depress the back lock, the closed bias is even stronger and the lack of thumb studs eliminates a snag point on the blade itself.

FWIW I carry my folders clipped in my back pocket.
 
CanadaKnifeGuy said:
Did you read and comprehend anything that linked to!? Everything I said was 100% validated. You literally made my points for me. The law is a better guide than some of those amateur lawyers' interpretation tho.

I don't carry weapons. For self defense... I employ tactics to talk them down, distract, de-escalate and if that doesn't work... I break out my Run-Fu.

Also, you've posted that you carry a SAK Cadet Alox every day.... Perhaps... "Concealed" in a pocket!? :eek::eek::eek:

I don't like the wording of our laws and don't like the ambiguity and potential for abuse / unjust application....

But in practice, it's about common sense.

Don't conceal a machete in a mall. Don't go to a city hall meeting with a dagger. A samauri sword on your back at a parade may get you some unwanted attention.
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YOU don't get to decide what is a "weapon". A non-locking isn't considered a weapon by OTHERS (most of the time), thus the concealed weapon doesn't apply. However, a locking-one handed knife being "concealed" to many breaks the barrier from the "tool" category into the "weapon" category. This is what myself and others have learned from speaking with different authorities. I highlighted the first few the areas/paragraphs in red where "concealed carry" were mentioned in the article, for your convenience.

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