Baby Browning or Seecamp?

I am surprised no one has mentioned a Rohrbaugh.

I do not own one yet, but it is a very well made 9 and with its holster it prints like a wallet.

My friend (Calvin Cooledge) has a couple that I have fired on occasions and have broken one of them down for cleaning and I was very impressed. Fit tolerances are as high or higher than any auto I own (including Kimbers and Belgium Brownings) the puppy was almost as accurate as my German 1973 Walther PPKS.

It is now on my short list.
 
Steve
Have you considered something along this line ? http://firearms.smith-wesson.com/store/index.php3?cat=293602&item=831417&sw_activeTab=1

Small , lightwieght yet powerful enough for self defense.

Most responders bring up pretty valid points , as does Gollnick , who I probably agree with the most , only because I have heard all these arguements too many times.
Bottom line is Steve , you are the one that is going to carrying the pistol you choose to buy , look around a bit , try a few out at a local range , only you can decide which caliber or handgun will suit you , the best.
Hopefully , you will never have to use it.
 
Keep in mind that most autos will go out of battery and will not fire during contact shooting which is a possible senario in a defense situation when the bad guy is all over you. That's why, retired after 27 years, I carry a "five for sure" .357 340 PD in a pocket holster. No snag, no stovepipes - If it's not in your hand, it's of no value. :D
 
I EDC a KelTec P3AT .380

I find it shoots well with all kinds of JHPs (as well as the CorBons it normally has in it) and looks like a wallet in it's pocket holster.
 
I believe he said, Baby Browning or Seecamp?

An alternative would be an Astra Cub in .22 short (up close; very quiet ;)) or in .25 acp.

One of the only pocket pistols with a hammer.
 
I don't own a Keltec but know a few folks who do. They are quite popular with LEOs as a backup gun and by civilians because they are so easy to carry concealed. However, I also know of a fair number of functioning problems with them.

Got a son in Vermont who I tried to convince NOT to buy a Keltec. He did about 2 months ago (.380 auto). Last week its trigger would not function. I suggested he have the dealer send it back to Keltec for repairs.

Can you only imagine your worse nightmare.. the gun you carry for protection does not operate?

My $0.02.. get a Glock 27 (.40 S&W). Excellent ballistics, easy to carry & very reliable!
 
glockman99 said:
...Or maybe the slightly smaller Walther PPKS?
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Dann, I believe the PPKS is larger. :)

I could be wrong, but the way I heard it was the Walther PPK was banned from being imported in 1968 for being too small.

So the PPKS was made from the larger Walther PP frame and a PPK slide.

Does anyone know for sure?
 
RGRAY said:
Dann, I believe the PPKS is larger. :)

I could be wrong, but the way I heard it was the Walther PPK was banned from being imported in 1968 for being too small.

So the PPKS was made from the larger Walther PP frame and a PPK slide.

Does anyone know for sure?
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There were import restrictions put on small frame handguns in some kind of bill back in '68, I believe. I think you're right about that. You're right about the PP frame/PPk Slide being the PPK/S model. It's a better gun than the PPK, IMO. You get a better grip, one more round on the mag and don't give up much in the way of conceilability. Love mine. Great little gun, but not a pocket gun for most folks, unless you're a really big dude with massive pockets.
 
Bastid said:
I am surprised no one has mentioned a Rohrbaugh.
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At price over a $1,000 and a delivery date of over 6 months, I don't see it going to that many end users. Maybe they aren't so expensive and delivery doesn't take so long in other parts of the country.
 
:) We were issued the PPK/S (back-up and off duty gun) at one time before I retired from full time law enforcement. We had a great deal of problems with them mostly jamming and just not holding up to well. Next came the Glock M-27, great gun no problems since. In fact I bought mine when I retired and still carry it everyday. In answer to your question reguarding the Browning or Seecamp. I've owned and carried a Seecamp also and never had the first problem with it. If you want a deep hideout gun go with the Seecamp, but for EDC you can't beat the Glock. The frame on the PPK and PPK/S are the same the PPK/S just has a longer slide and barrel , I think not sure. Just my 2 cents worth.
 
RGRAY said:
Dann, I believe the PPKS is larger. :)

I could be wrong, but the way I heard it was the Walther PPK was banned from being imported in 1968 for being too small.

So the PPKS was made from the larger Walther PP frame and a PPK slide.

Does anyone know for sure?
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:footinmou Yup you're right...My bad...(And I've even owned a couple of those in the past.).
 
There is also the smaller Walther TPH in .22 and .25 acp.

I would also recommend a Seecamp or Glock over the Walthers; all the Walthers I have seen jam too.
 
actually the PPK was made in the US at least for a while by interarms, was SS IIRC, .32 or .380, and was pretty expensive for that kinda gun, when interarms went outta biz i guess they quit making them. but make them they did for at least a few yrs, ya used to see ads for them all the time, am suprised S&W doesnt pick them up from walther, they could use a good small calibre pocket pistol, might be too high $$ to make now though.

i really like the PP/PPK/PPK/s series, i carried a .22 PP quite a bit on our ranch in the old days, a great edc for horseback riding, my dad got it in '70 for $112, was kinda high for a .22 back then, but i have put tens of thousands of rounds thru it, pretty reliable with solid nose ammo too, and plenty accurate. also have a .32 PPK and a .380 PPK/s, love all of them. never carry them though, my PM9 kahr is almost the same size and weight and is 9MM. they are cool little guns though. if ya were stuck with .32ACP the PPK wouldnt be the worst choice for sure though. .380 too.
 
I just remembered...Sigarms (SIG) also makes (made?) a pretty nice "little" .380 DA Pistol, something like the Walther PPK...That one might be worth a look...(But I'd still suggest a Glock 27...).
 
glockman99 said:
I just remembered...Sigarms (SIG) also makes (made?) a pretty nice "little" .380 DA Pistol, something like the Walther PPK...That one might be worth a look...(But I'd still suggest a Glock 27...).
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I own this Sig 380. It's a little on the bigger side of a small pistol. It is about like the Glock 26 in size, and in the aluminum frame it is very light and extremely accurate as are all Sigs that I own. It's slimmer than the Glock 26 which I own. The Mustang that Kohaii mentioned is also nice, IMO.

My friend has a Walther .380 and his is a jam-a-matic and I believe I've heard that the Seacamp .32 is made strictly for use with Silvertips or it jams a lot with other ammo, but I could be wrong about that.

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If holster carry was an optopn instead of pocket carry, I'd go with a small .38 revolver like the alloy framed S&Ws.
 
The TPH is a pretty nice pistol, but no longer made. I've owned several, both the German (pre GCA) and the American version. I was disappointed in the German pistol. It was not reliable at all, contrary to what I had heard. This was some time ago, before the American versions were manufactured. Needless to say it was an expensive lesson.

I had three of the US made ones, two of the three were not reliable. My last was a dog. Frame was milled completely through on one side which made the safety inoperable. I understand they had a real problem with one of their investment cast molds, tried to repair it and failed. Not long after I purchased my last one, they ceased manufacture. Quality control went out the window.

The blued .25 ACP versions were pretty uncommon, the only one I've shot was 100% reliable.

I love the platform, but the pistol has to be reliable. I did have one .22 LR stainless that was a jewel. No matter the ammo, it was 100% reliable. I foolishly sold it to a friend that constantly brags about it. They can be quite accurate...
 
JB in SC said:
The TPH is a pretty nice pistol, but no longer made. I've owned several, both the German (pre GCA) and the American version. I was disappointed in the German pistol. It was not reliable at all, contrary to what I had heard. This was some time ago, before the American versions were manufactured. Needless to say it was an expensive lesson.

I had three of the US made ones, two of the three were not reliable. My last was a dog. Frame was milled completely through on one side which made the safety inoperable. I understand they had a real problem with one of their investment cast molds, tried to repair it and failed. Not long after I purchased my last one, they ceased manufacture. Quality control went out the window.

The blued .25 ACP versions were pretty uncommon, the only one I've shot was 100% reliable.

I love the platform, but the pistol has to be reliable. I did have one .22 LR stainless that was a jewel. No matter the ammo, it was 100% reliable. I foolishly sold it to a friend that constantly brags about it. They can be quite accurate...
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Hey JB, I have two of the stainless TPH's in 22LR. Both are gems. Accurate, reliable, the whole nine yards. My only problem with them is that the safeties tend to be tough to flick off with one hand. Also have a PPK/S that is a real gem. Perfect little gun. I guess I got lucky.

My Dad kept pestering me to give him my PPK/S, but I could never bring myself to part with it. So, I bought him his own for Christmas one year. His tends to jam on him. Too bad, it's such a nice little gun. If they could have only machined them better.
 
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