Bad deals with rlewisk

[sioncool]

Bad deals with rlewisk

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=789337

The thread:
"All prices include PayPal fee, Priority Mail Del. Con. shipping, (CONUS) and case."
And PM to me:"the Personal option in PayPal so I don't have to eat the fees"

And i was talked to him could you give me a small offer with $795 include pp
fee & shipping fee.

Reply:
If you won't use the Personal option I'll eat the fees, just like I promised.

I was check to my credit card, it's only $800.
So i sent $800 by paypal to him.
Payment from my credit card will be clear by 24H,
I don't know why? but sometimes need 24 hours to clear the funds.
I was sent PM to him:

Payment on the way, please check it.
That's should be clear the funds by 24hrs.
And my shipping add:
(My add)Chicago, IL 60608
Could you let me know the tracking number when you shipping it.(By clear the funds)

But his reply to me:
1.
I will ship when your funds clear.......The way you've handled this is not a great way to earn a good reputation on the forums, apologies notwithstanding.
Richard

2.
I am refunding your money, I do not trust you, I have never had to wait for anyone's money to clear and you obviously don't know what you're doing.

YOU NEED TO GET IT STRAIGHT.

3.
Guess what, I'm the seller and if I don't trust you I don't sell to you.

I was told to him:
You can check my feedback.
My BF ID sioncool
USN sioncool
Ebay sioncool
That's payment from credit card.
Should be clear by 24H.
And shipping that by clear the funds.

You can check the Paypal.
That's payment by credit card and will be clear by 24hs.
If that't not clear(24H). you can cancel the deals.
THX
Sion

I don't why?
Want to more $$$?
Why not to posted the "All prices include PayPal fee"
Never see like that seller.
Not trust me? and cancel the deals.
Why not to check my feedback?

Just want to know it's not my mistake.

Anyway.
Bad deals.
Thx
Sion

 

[sioncool]

All the PM in my Inbox.
I can show that if need.
THX all
Sion

 

[sioncool]

Every deals well done.
Only today......
PS: A parts of my collection(In my hands)

 

[pj551016]

well, the only comment i can make about this is that sioncool is a personal friend and he is as solid as it gets.

the seller seems to have some trust issues.

 

[spyken]

sioncool, you've been around the forums a long time, post count notwithstanding. Richard too.

sorry about this, I hope you and Richard can work something out. I know sometimes when someone sends me paypal funds, the funds take 3 days to clear...have no idea why.

 

[Steven65]

I know sometimes when someone sends me paypal funds, the funds take 3 days to clear...have no idea why.

I too have noticed this recently. Usually it is only a day or so.
I assume it is some back end banking stuff going on due to Paypal being used in higher and higher volumes.

I purchased a knife recently from a long standing member with excellent feedback who said he would only ship once the funds cleared into his PP account.
That was fine by me.....I waited the 2 days and he shipped......no worries.

PS: A parts of my collection(In my hands)

Fabulous collection........:thumbup:

I hope you guys can work it out..... You are both long standing members with good reputations. I would not hesitate to buy or sell to either one of you.........

 

[ForestRoamer]

Beautiful collection!

 

[wolfmann601]

I am confused.....................

Seller did not want to wait 24 hours for funds to clear so he decided to sell to someone else?????????
Is this the issue????

 

[dttomcat]

I made a deal to sell a knife about 6 months ago for ~$900. The seller preferred PayPal so I agreed to ship when his money cleared. PayPal didn't deposit the funds for almost a week. The buyer seemed anxious to get the knife which made me a little nervous. Nevertheless, I had agreed to ship once the funds cleared. The buyer was patient enough and in the end I shipped it UPS NextDayAir to the tune of about $80 just to get it to him as quickly as possible once his payment was in hand. I never considered backing out of the deal. All it took to complete the deal was a little patience on the buyer's part.

 

[Triton]

For whatever reason the seller got a bad vibe out of the deal, and decided to back out. So long as the money was refunded in full I don't see where there's really any problem here. No one is obligated to sell anything to anyone no reason required.

I know it stinks when you have your heart set on a purchase, and you can't make the purchase, but sometimes deals just don't work out.

 

[braillediver]

For whatever reason the seller got a bad vibe out of the deal, and decided to back out. So long as the money was refunded in full I don't see where there's really any problem here. No one is obligated to sell anything to anyone no reason required.

+1
It appears No money actually changed hands. If for whatever reason there’s concern over a sale it’s best to bail early, promptly and cleanly as happened in this “transaction”.

 

[SharpByCoop]

sioncool, you've been around the forums a long time, post count notwithstanding. Richard too.

sorry about this, I hope you and Richard can work something out. I know sometimes when someone sends me paypal funds, the funds take 3 days to clear...have no idea why.

^^^ My thoughts too. sioncool's first language is not english and so he may be misinterpreted. I've had dealings with him, and would do so again in a heartbeat.

I wish both better in the future. He posted his collection to demonstrate visually he is a serious collector and not a flake.

rlewisk is solid, too. I wish both better in the future.

Coop

 

[JTR357]

Guess what, I'm the seller and if I don't trust you I don't sell to you.

It's a little coarse,but true nonetheless.That said,the seller could've handled it better IMO.(from what I've read so far)

 

[Dawkind]

Even in this day of 'electronic transfers' it does take days for Paypal to clear funds through the banks.....

Too bad this transaction eneded the way it did because I'm very sure it would have all worked out in the next day or two.

 

[rlewisk]

Hi Guys..........I think all the feedback is helpful but the bottom line is this:

I'm not going to rehash the back and forth, it seems SionCool did so and needed to justify his position/behavior. I don't.

If I don't feel comfortable selling a knife to someone, for whatever reason,I reserve the right not to sell..........The $$$ was refunded within seconds, there was no intent to defraud, and I was very clear why. This is the first time I have ever done this and the only reason was stated very clearly, I did not trust that the transaction would end satisfactorily, period.

I have no concern what SionCool thinks of me, it felt sketchy, I refused to sell, end of story. As for my "trust issues" I have none. I believe no one here wants to get ripped off, nor do I, that's it. I go with what I feel, and I've been doing this long enough to know that's what works.

My reputation on every forum I'm on is impeccable, I will/would do the same thing today or tomorrow.........I'm a very straightforward guy and you'll know exactly what I think and why.

I fully believe that the only thing that really matters on any forum is your reputation..........I also believe I did nothing to tarnish mine.

Take it for what it's worth.........if you don't want to buy from me, or sell to me I can live with that........it's only a knife, there will be more.

 

[EMT_Lee]

Hi Guys..........I think all the feedback is helpful but the bottom line is this:

I'm not going to rehash the back and forth, it seems SionCool did so and needed to justify his position/behavior. I don't.

If I don't feel comfortable selling a knife to someone, for whatever reason,I reserve the right not to sell..........The $$$ was refunded within seconds, there was no intent to defraud, and I was very clear why. This is the first time I have ever done this and the only reason was stated very clearly, I did not trust that the transaction would end satisfactorily, period.

I have no concern what SionCool thinks of me, it felt sketchy, I refused to sell, end of story. As for my "trust issues" I have none. I believe no one here wants to get ripped off, nor do I, that's it. I go with what I feel, and I've been doing this long enough to know that's what works.

My reputation on every forum I'm on is impeccable, I will/would do the same thing today or tomorrow.........I'm a very straightforward guy and you'll know exactly what I think and why.

I fully believe that the only thing that really matters on any forum is your reputation..........I also believe I did nothing to tarnish mine.

Take it for what it's worth.........if you don't want to buy from me, or sell to me I can live with that........it's only a knife, there will be more.

I agree with you. I've backed off deals before just because something didn't "feel" right to me. You've got every right to sell your stuff to anybody you choose.

 

[sioncool]

The reason I posted this thread is to let everyone know what kind of seller I ran into.
This is only a knife and does not matter who you sell to.
The issue that bothers me is the fact that you refused to sell me just because a simple reply of "I don't trust you"
How do you take this if you ran into the same situation.
I understand you have the rights to sell to whoever you choose.
Let me ask you this, what if there was no second buyer in line?
It only shows you are a very irresponsible seller.
This is my conclusion.
I have been collecting knives for so many years and this is the first time a seller "does not" trust me so that is why I make this thread.
Thanks for all the support and this is done.
Sion

 

[FMAKNut]

I don't see any legal issues here. If a business sees that there's additional potential risk in a transaction, they can back out given the terms of the contract. I don't believe that the forum rules penalize the seller beyond a full refund.

I'd rather deal with a cautious seller than a careless one. Read some of the other posts in this feedback section. You can easily see why.

 

[Bob W]

Of course there are no legal issues since money never changed hands and/or was immediately refunded.

Still, if buying online I want to trust that the seller won't flake out after the terms are agreed upon. After all it's the buyer who's accepting the risk, sending money and trusting to receive something in return. What does the seller have to lose, since they aren't going to mail the knife until they receive the money?

Imagine if buying something online from eBay, and after the auction instead of the purchased item all you received was a note saying you were "sketchy" and they weren't going to mail the item as agreed? There's no way to force the seller to mail the item, but I'd sure as heck leave rotten feedback.

Maybe I'm missing something?

Do online dealers like SMKW and AG Russell sometimes refuse to fill orders because a customer "feels sketchy"? I don't know...

It's too bad you guys couldn't work this out anyway.

 

[FMAKNut]

Of course there are no legal issues since money never changed hands and/or was immediately refunded.

Still, if buying online I want to trust that the seller won't flake out after the terms are agreed upon. After all it's the buyer who's accepting the risk, sending money and trusting to receive something in return. What does the seller have to lose, since they aren't going to mail the knife until they receive the money?

Imagine if buying something online from eBay, and after the auction instead of the purchased item all you received was a note saying you were "sketchy" and they weren't going to mail the item as agreed? There's no way to force the seller to mail the item, but I'd sure as heck leave rotten feedback.

Maybe I'm missing something?

Do online dealers like SMKW and AG Russell sometimes refuse to fill orders because a customer "feels sketchy"? I don't know...

It's too bad you guys couldn't work this out anyway.

I agree it's too bad they couldn't work it out. I also agree that it can be perceived as negative for a seller to refuse to sell, but if they see a big enough risk for it to go bad, maybe they don't want to spend the time, money and effort to deal with a potential bad situation (the back and forth, possible rep tarnished over something that wasn't their fault, privacy broken with your name and address posted on the internet via forum, emails/PMs attacking your actions, etc). At least the seller was honest. He could've lied and made up a story that had the same result and maintained the warm and fuzzy's. He didn't and he was being honest.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm just trying to see it from the seller's perspective.