Bad experience with eowyn873

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i dealt with eowyn once and probably won't again. His communications are subpar imo. I traded him a domino for a zt550, all communications were prompt up until we agreed to trade. then he went dark for almost 2 days. then when he finally answered he answered like 1 out of 5 questions. It was like pulling teeth to get him to answer questions. He also made me ship first despite having positive feed back here and tons on other forums. Don't care about that part too much, but long story short I did end up getting the deal completed, but it was not a very smooth experience. took forever to get all the info I needed. Considering how paranoid he was about me being a fairly new member I did all I could to ease his mind by explaining thoroughly the additional fedex requirements(I ship fedex only for security purposes, been burned one too many times with usps). Took him an additional 2 days to answer each question I asked one by one. He also ignored additional detail questions about the knife. Now I know why, but its my fault for either not forcing him to answer or I should have just walked away. Also the domino I traded him went up for sale instantly, he had time to post it up twice but not give me feedback. but whatever, its his right to post things for sale and buy things instead of completing already made agreements or answering questions or submitting feedback. Perhaps its only when its to his advantage that he decides to be prompt.

Anyhow, not here to bash anyone, just wanted to share observations of my interactions with him. I was very prompt, punctual and polite, and have always encountered the same until this deal. I'm kind of shocked and confused that someone with so much positive feedback has such bad communication. If I could go back in time, I would have saved myself the frustration and just kept the domino. Still, throughout the whole process, I was still very polite, and still gave positive feedback to itrader despite him deserving neutral or less. not once did I show any frustration or aggression, and all he did was give me short incomplete answers in an annoyed manner as if I was inconveniencing him in some way. Maybe these are just flukes and hes having personal issues or something I dunno. no ones perfect, so I gave benefit of doubt when I initially submitted itrader feedback.

I'm just a nice person and new here, so I didn't want to make any waves especially considering how much feedback he has here.

as far as crapping on the sales thread, yes I totally understand its wrong, but its pretty frustrating when someone blatantly ignores you after already agreeing to something. but rules are rules and I agree and digress. I just hope that he sees this and understands that he should treat every deal with the same courtesy and respect. we are all here because we all have love for the same hobby.

again, not here to bash or gang up, and I apologize in advance for my forum etiquette if I come off that way. or if I just sound like a whiny kid.
 
@Craytab: you are correct regarding my NYR (to not participate in the negative drama in the GBU), however...when somebody comes on this forum, & does something like this to a member that I like & respect. You can count on this: that I will always, come to a friend's defense, especially when their reputation/future on this forum is at stake. This, let's take a poll thread, is just about thee most offensive, ridiculous action, that I've witnessed on this forum

wtlf: to add some clarity to the hissy fit you threw in my sales thread last year:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...-10-Native-5-2013-Forum-PM-2-Brown-Sprint-Run

Fact #1: Lie? Absolutely not! Seth Green, WAS the first member to PM me for the, Spyderco PM 2. Regardless, I would have sold that PM 2 to Seth, even he had been the 2nd or 3rd to PM me...& I would have sold it to him for less $$$, because I like giving my friend's great deals. Seth is one of my favorite member's on this forum; a true gentleman, & friend. We've done several transactions, & they are always enjoyable.
Fact #2: I post in my sales, that it is my choice to sell to whomever I choose.
Fact #3: We never shook hands, or had any type of verbal agreement.
Fact #4: I sold you another one of my knives (at a $50 loss), to appease the tantrum that your threw (edited) in my sales thread)...remember, the Yohimbe 2 that you sold for $30 more a week later?

It's absolutely your prerogative, however, it's the flipping that YOU'VE PARTICIPATED IN, since then, that has earned you a place on my list. You of all people, preaching integrity? Ha- what a hypocrite!

Honestly, I think that there are some deeper underlying issues here: possibly, the Los Angeles Kings, defeating the Chicago Blackhawks, in OT of game 7 last year, in their miraculous quest for the Stanley Cup crown, has been a thorn in your side. :thumbup:

In conclusion, I stand 100% behind my support, of BF Member: eowyn873
He in an honorable, trustworthy member; one whom I've come to respect, & like!
 
Lots of issues going on in and around this thread which have already been mentioned and don't need to be beaten to death.

I can only add (and which anyone who has done business in the Exchange knows) that communication is key.

Agreeing to a trade and then not following through or communicating is akin to flaking out after an "ill take it" in my book.

Yes noone is out anything in this occurance but its poor practice and can hold up the involved parties from moving their items.
 
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KELAMA
Hahaha yea the outstanding deal you gave me because you stated you felt "bad" for your actions! Get your facts straight...you had it listed over retail pricing and sold it to me for what they all sell for on the forum! I broke even on that knife. You got all butt hurt because I didn't cherish your knife for all eternity. I've NEVER purchased a knife with the intention to sell it with one exception; if I buy a lot because the seller won't separate what I really wanted.
 
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KELAMA I'm glad you joined in so I can express my feelings on the only other member I won't deal with again!
A few months ago KELAMA posted a for sale thread with a few Spydercos...within a minute I posted "I'll take it" on his PM2 S35V. A few minutes later his buddy Seth Green posted "seconds" he sold it to him and lied that he sent him a pm before my post, nearly impossible and that's why Seth posted "seconds". I completely understand he didn't break any rules and he can sell to whomever he pleases without explanation, but what happened to a mans word, a handshake, integrity...clearly KELAMA & Eowyn deserve to be friends.
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Who, you vastly misrepresented the situation with Kelama! First, you lost the purchased based on the stipulation of the sale, regardless of if you were the first to PM. Second, you crapped in his thread! Third, he gave you a good deal on another knife. Then after that, you come here and crap on him some more. Unbelievable. The GB&U is a great place to find out who people really are and who not to deal with. And only about half the time it involves the OP or the accused......

KELAMA said:
@Craytab: you are correct regarding my NYR (to not participate in the negative drama in the GBU), however...when somebody comes on this forum, & does something like this to a member that I like & respect. You can count on this: that I will always, come to a friend's defense, especially when their reputation/future on this forum is at stake. This, let's take a poll thread, is just about thee most offensive, ridiculous action, that I've witnessed on this forum

wtlf: to add some clarity to the hissy fit you threw in my sales thread last year:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...-10-Native-5-2013-Forum-PM-2-Brown-Sprint-Run

Fact #1: Lie? Absolutely not! Seth Green, WAS the first member to PM me for the, Spyderco PM 2. Regardless, I would have sold that PM 2 to Seth, even he had been the 2nd or 3rd to PM me...& I would have sold it to him for less $$$, because I like giving my friend's great deals. Seth is one of my favorite member's on this forum; a true gentleman, & friend. We've done several transactions, & they are always enjoyable.
Fact #2: I post in my sales, that it is my choice to sell to whomever I choose.
Fact #3: We never shook hands, or had any type of verbal agreement.
Fact #4: I sold you another one of my knives (at a $50 loss), to appease the tantrum that your threw (edited) in my sales thread)...remember, the Yohimbe 2 that you sold for $30 more a week later?

It's absolutely your prerogative, however, it's the flipping that YOU'VE PARTICIPATED IN, since then, that has earned you a place on my list. You of all people, preaching integrity? Ha- what a hypocrite!

Honestly, I think that there are some deeper underlying issues here: possibly, the Los Angeles Kings, defeating the Chicago Blackhawks, in OT of game 7 last year, in their miraculous quest for the Stanley Cup crown, has been a thorn in your side. :thumbup:

In conclusion, I stand 100% behind my support, of BF Member: eowyn873
He in an honorable, trustworthy member; one whom I've come to respect, & like!
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I know, I was just giving you some flack. WTLJ is a real piece of work. Thanks for posting your thread he crapped in. Seems like at least 3 folks who came here to complain about the accused actually ended up outing themselves. Gotta love the GB&U!

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But there is the fact that several members have called Eowyn out. Wether hes Kelamas best friend or not seems like a lot of people have an issue with him.
 
RIPtastic said:
But there is the fact that several members have called Eowyn out. Wether hes Kelamas best friend or not seems like a lot of people have an issue with him.
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At first I told myself to just be quiet about it. But then again I need to explain and defend myself from their accusations. I have a very busy life outside BF so I'll say my piece later when I have the time. I'm just on break eating lunch.
 
This thread has become something I did not intend for it to become.
I was simply sharing my frustration and I thought other members would benefit from it. I have acknowledged my wrong doing in posting in his sales thread. However, I don't see how that nullifies anything. I don't think that sucking it up is the right thing to do. If you think my dealing with eowyn is the kind of dealing you like to have. Then by all means do business with him. I just thought there were others out there that would not respect this kind of seller. Alot of times people receive positive feedback even on transactions that were far from perfect just becuase people are scared of receiving negative feedback in retaliation. I know I have been guilty of this before. If you have had positive dealings with eowyn please go ahead and share them. Thank you benchwarmer for summarizing things. I agree there is no point in beating things to death. I will be closing this thread since it has since become a thread about completey unrelated transactions.
 
I have had almost exclusively positive experiences here on Bladeforums, but I have to say, this thread - REGARDLESS OF WHICH SIDE people are posting on, does not indicate the high quality of person that I have come to expect to encounter here.

I think Esav Benyamin offered the best advice:

"Sure there's recourse. Don't deal with him again.

There is no rule against a FEEDBACK thread, just try to keep them for serious problems. If someone ditzes out on you, avoid him."
 
eowyn873 said:
Thank you Sir, I am having dinner with my wife and daughter as of this time, I will be posting when we get home to prepare my rebuttal.
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Do as you wish, but I would let this one go.

Getting involved in this with some kind of rebuttal, just justifies the opinions and rants of your accusers.
They seem baseless and frankly quite childish from the perspective of the GBU, and who needs to be dragged out here and for what....
 
JR88FAN said:
Do as you wish, but I would let this one go.

Getting involved in this with some kind of rebuttal, just justifies the opinions and rants of your accusers.
They seem baseless and frankly quite childish from the perspective of the GBU, and who needs to be dragged out here and for what....
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^^^^
+100 on this!

eowyn873: I wouldn't spend a second of my valuable time, dignifying a rebuttal to such nonsense. Please- just let this very foolish GBU poll/thread stand as it is...

Focus your valuable precious time & energy, with your daughter & family...you'll be far better off.
 
It is deff not right for the op to be commenting in a sales thread and i seriously have no idea why he would make this a poll?? Thats just straight up non sense. The guy never shipped you the sebenza, so therefor the deal was incomplete and no deal was done. Yea he should have emailed you to say hey i changed my mind but to start a poll about it??? Really....as for wtlj, i have done one deal with him and it went very smooth and i remember having a few other conversations with him about making deals evanthough no other deals were made. And from what i recall he was a pleasure to do business with and was a true gentleman. He will be staying off my dont do business with list. While the op will deffinately be going on my list. What if i tell you sorry never mind i changed my mind i dont want to trade my knife for your knife what are you guna start a poll about me too? As for eowyn873, i dont see where he did anything wrong technically excpet for not telling you a month later he changed his mind about a trade. Dude you should have figured after the first week or 2 of not hearing anything from him he obviously changed his mind. I understand your were guna make out like a bandit in this deal and thats probably why your so mad but you went over board man.
 
I'm gonna regret posting this.

Take it easy on the new guys. They screwed up. They've been chastised. They apologized. They are being civil.

Are they are the only ones that screwed up?

I'm a bit curious to know why a seller with tons of great feedback reneged on a trade after a month and didn't think it was necessary to explain that decision to the other party? Is there any truth to this accusation? Well, I guess it shouldn't matter. Not against the rules in any case.

I like to remember the names of people that do such things regardless of the rules. I also like to remember the names of people that do not reply to communications. Knowing which people have a hard time answering questions with complete sentences and/or offer partial responses in email/text messages is also valuable to little ol' me. Knowing the names of people that behave in the fashions listed above with any frequency can save me a lot of time and aggravation.

I understand that people are busy. People have lives. People are doing more important things. But......

Don't care. If I'm going to do business with someone, I demand that they pay me the attention and courtesy that I am paying them. If they can't or won't do that because they have children, they live exciting lives, their dog dies, their tire went flat, they just missed the postman...whatever. I don't want to deal with that sort of person. I'm not quite sure who is supposed to pay the price when other people have problems, but it isn't me. Shouldn't be you either.

Perhaps there is a perfectly reasonable explanation. Let's hear it. I'm not the only one that want to know.

No dog in this fight though...not going to argue with anyone. Anybody that wants to bully me, call me a child, tell me how stupid I am...feel free and enjoy yourself.
 
Last night I received a PM from one of the respected members here in BF about this thread, I checked it out and told him that I will not engage them and just ignore whatever it is that they are accusing me of. A few minutes later I received another PM about this thread and I replied with the same answer. I have also received advise to refrain from doing a rebuttal as this thread doesn't warrant one.

I will keep this straight, simple and accurate as I can.

First, slorenzo accuses me of snatching up knives and sell them for a profit as soon as I receive them.

Answer: Yes I do buy knives here, the knives that I like to try out and see if I will keep them, sell them for a profit as soon as I receive them? No, I do not sell them as soon as I receive them, I try them out first, feel them if I like them and if I think it's a keeper I'd keep it, if not, they'll be off to the Exchange for reselling to recoup some funds for future purchases. Nobody wants to keep a knife or object they do not want. Selling them for profit? NO, I would sell them for the original purchase and add up shipping and full insurance with hope to regain what I paid for the knife originally, if I can't, i'd lower the price for quick sale or agree to offers, if I can't get a good deal, I wait.

Am I the only one doing this? Look at the exchange, you can see on almost every post "Bought this in the Exchange last week, tried it out but it isn't just for me so I am reselling this, or Need to recoup some funds as I overspent, or need to purchase a grail etc. If I am guilty of "Flipping" how about the other members? If I were rich there would me no need for me to resell the knives I don't like, but I am just a Middles Class worker with a very expensive hobby. You be the Judge if I am a "Flipper". I only have 40 to 50 transactions here, How about the others who have 130 transactions? What do you call them?

Second, you got mad at me for posting a knife for sale that I already agreed to trade.

Answer: Guilty as charged, I posted a knife for sale that I already agreed to trade. With that, I apologize, I totally forgot about our agreement, and there is no excuse for that. Yes I received a PM from you but have not read it till later the day if I am not mistaken. You posted on my sale thread and bashed me out after just a few hours of not responding to your message, the knife was not even sold and a day has not passed since you PM'ed me, you just couldn't wait for me to reply, yours was just waiting to happen, I was planning on talking to you after I get out of work. Again, I am a working man, I need to feed my family and my hobbies and interests.

Third, you accused me of purchasing a knife while not responding to your message.

Answer: Guilty as charged, well, I can not pass up a great deal, $ 108.00 for a Mini Ritter Griptilian with M390 steel, that is why even I am at the wheel I posted "Take this" as opposed to "I'll take it", that is why my wife got mad at me for texting while driving. Again, yours was waiting to happen, my mistake for not answering you back, I never intended to ignore you, but like I said I had plans on talking to you after work, you just couldn't wait so you started bashing me.

I also have received offers for my Sebenzas when I posted them for thread, after I agreed to trading to one of them, I never heard from him for several days, when he finally answered back he said he was not really sure if he is willing to part with his Hinderer, did I get mad at him? Did i bash him out? Did I ridicule him? NO I DID NOT! Because I understand that people change their minds, and people have lives outside Blade Forums, I do not expect them to answer my emails outright. I have some others but will no longer mention them. As for my mistakes, I apologize for that and sorry for all the troubles.

I reply to emails, text messages, calls etc when I am not busy and yes I can bombard you with such when I am not busy. I am busy from 8 AM until 4 PM, then I drive to pick up my wife and be home by 6 or 7 PM depending on traffic condition then I cook dinner for the family to eat and make sure my wife and daughter are already rested before I attended to my hobby, playing with my blades while waiting for good deals on BF, responding to emails, text messages, and all sort of messages, paying medical bills, credit card bills etc. that's how busy my life is Lorenzo so don't expect me to answer you as quick and often as you like to. My family and work comes first above everything.

slorenzo, I take this email very seriously and will keep it for future reference just in case something happens to me or my family.



Now, with Billy (pwrdbycton), if you were not happy with the way things are going during our transaction, why you didn't pull the plug? Instead you pushed through with it, I thought we were good, you should have told me that you were offended with my messages. You even left me positive feedback, and again, just like what I said in my text message to you, I am not calling you a Liar and never intend to do so. I already apologized to you if I have offended you in any way. But I can not force you to believe me, I will say it again, I apologize if I hurt your feelings or offended you in anyway. Will that make me a lesser man? No, it will not. Now it is up to you to decide whether you are going to forgive me or not. I sent you those screenshots of our text messages as you said you have erased them already, but I am still glad I have known you and will still be treated as friend.

Your knife went to Prague, Czech Republic and I sold it for $ 395.00 including $ 40.00 registered shipping, i took the risk of sending it abroad so that others may enjoy it. As I have told you, I am selling the knives to fund a set of Large and Small Regular CGG Sebenzas. A long standing member here emailed and offered me the knives as I missed out on the same design that day. Up to now he is still patiently waiting for me to com up with the funds and never bothered me a bit about it.

The Knives that were offered to me that is why I am raising funds to acquire them.






As for Terry, I thought we were good too. But it appears that we're not. Your text messages does not appear as such. Our transaction did not happen here on Blade Forums, it is a private transaction between friends as I thought it was, and with that, I believe discussing that here is irrelevant. I still thank you for reimbursing me with my payment. I still treat you as a friend in spite of everything, I'd still deal with you, but it appears you're no longer into it, and I respect your decision.

Ahh and with Tim (thegamett), you accused me of having a subpar communication and went dark for 2 days, as I've mentioned before I have a very busy life outside Blade Forums. I will post below the screenshots of some of our email exchanges. We communicated via email, and most of the exchanges took place in the evening mostly 11PM onwards CST because that is the time for myself. I even answered one of your email around 3 AM and you call my communication subpar?

Snapshots of our emails








You accuse me of a lot of in competencies, if you were not happy with the way things are going why did you insist on doing the trade? Because you are receiving an almost NIB ZT 0550 with additional custom Carbon Fiber Scale worth $ 75.00 from BellaBlades. Yes, I posted your Spyderco Domino with scratch for sale because I am not liking it, why would I keep a knife I do not like? and yes I just sold it for $ 140.00 yesterday, did I make a profit out of it? and who got the better deal between the two us? Yes of course I'd ask you to ship first, if you were not comfortable with that you would not agreed to it, your post here are very much different from what you said in your email which I will be posting in this thread. You even promised of overnight shipping which you did not, did I get mad at you with that? Did I despise you with that?

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The only lull in our email exchanges were March 14 and 15 if I remember correctly and those were the days the Spyderco Domino was in transit, what do you expect of me? Entertain you between those those days, I have a life to live, and when it finally arrived at my home you immediately emailed me to which I replied, I am still at work.








How about the "Sebenza P" that you tried to trade with me that you do not own yet? Isn't that the same "Sebenza P" that Terry (wtlj) sold me? He has not received it yet but you already had a photo of them that you sent me. Well, too bad for you, Terry already sent me the pictures of the knife before you did, so what did I tel you? "I know those pictures. Those are the ones being sold by Reg Smeeton in the exchange. What are you trying to do here? To which you replied, Figured you would, you see everything in there etc (I will post your email with the pics you sent) and with the follow up email for trying to trade the Sebenza P with a "Modern one".

Proof emails of your offer













 
And what did I do when I got your email offer for the Sebenza P? I texted Terry (wtlj) about it and he even thanked me for watching his back. Imagine, you are already trading the Sebenza P that just got sold to Terry (wtlj) was it that day or the other day? The fact the Terry has not received it yet, you already got a picture of it?

My text messages to Terry (wtlj)







You do your math people, somewhere along the line I smell some kind of fishy, I may be wrong, I maybe right, already trading with a knife that is not theirs yet and has not been received yet, was that right?

I would like to say more but I am already tired. I wanted to enjoy my "Spring Break" with my wife and child. So say whatever it is that you want to say against me, but this is what I am going to say, as long as there are people who believe and trust me here, I will stay here on Blade Forums.

As for Kelama, he was never a friend, never done a transaction with him, I actually despise him for what he did to Terry, but it changed my perspective of him when he offered a discounted price to Terry. Kelama was never a friend, not until last night. And I thank you for standing behind me, and to Steve (spketch) thank you for the kind words, I really appreciate it.

I do not want to aggravate this any further even though I can see some other angles to this. I will leave it all up to experience, learn from my my mistakes and be careful with dealing with people.

As for those I have hurt, again I apologize for my mistakes, I hope I'll learn with them. And if you decide not to deal with me, that is fine. I can live with that.

The mods can close this now, and thank you for the opportunity you gave me to air my side of the story.
 
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