Bad Heat Treat Day

This is the first time I hear about preheating the quenching oil... Uh... so far I just made a handfull of knives (stock removal) out of leaf spring steel. Do I need to preheat my used up engine oil before quenching my red hot blades?
Sorry to highjack the thread...
Mikel
 
Mikel,

Heating the oil accomplishes several things. It reduces the amount of thermal shock to the steel, and it changes the viscosity of the oil. Having a oil that is too low of a temperature can mean the oil moves too sluggishly. This can be a problem as the oil boils off the steel and is not replaced readily with free flowing oil creating a vapor jacket that alters the cooling speed. We typically want to keep the vapor jacket to a minimum and let the oil do the cooling. Although some vapor jacket will typically form, it will collapse into nucleated boiling, which is great to transfer heat. After the steel is below the boiling temperature of the oil, thermal transfer is especially dependent on viscosity. Too thick of oil (high viscosity) will not transfer heat quickly enough, and vice versa. Too hot of oil can decrease the speed of quench simply by a lack of temperature difference, and it can also thin the oil too much.

Certain manufactured quench oils are designed to work just so at particuar temperatures with particular steels. Other home spun oils benefit from heating to get the oil moving more fluidly.

So the short answer is: yes. Most oils benefit from pre-heating.

--nathan
 
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Thanks a lot Silver_Pilate. From now on I will preheat my quenching oil a bit. Would leaving the can over the top fire bricks of my homade forge do the trick? Maybe I could also heat it good quenching a substantial piece of scrap steel first in the oil...

Mikel
 
Also, O1 needs a good long soak at austenitizing temperature. Meaning you need to park it near 1500 for about 10 min (or more) to get all the good stuff into solution, without overheating the tip etc. This can be tricky to do in a forge.
 
Mikel, many makers use the red-hot scrap steel method to heat the oil, so good thought. Grab a little cooking thermometer and check the oil temp. Most oils work well from 120 to 140F.

--nathan
 
An electric hot plate works well for smaller sized containers. I have been using Used trans hydralic fluid(from farm machinery), it is slightly thinner than atf. Used motor oil is often to thick/slow.
 
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