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Hello all,
Unfortunately I seem to be doing my research after the fact, as I am currently "unwind"ing a deal in which he changed the terms of our agreement AFTER we had agreed on certain points.
Like the original poster, I have the entire trail of emails, and texts.-in fact -I SAVED his three voicemails BECAUSE of his profanity and vitriol.-and ALSO like the OP, I will refrain from posting them all, but I WILL be posting some of the highlights. And I will post them later, as i literally JUST got done typing my replies to his profane anger.
And as a new member to this and other forums, I also was taken back, then insulted, and even had my "reputation in the knife world" threatened by him. There is a long long list of some ..classic quotes that will be forthcoming.
But as I said-I will be posting these in the next day or two. And will Be posting the whole summary of events as they happened, on the timeline.--AND like the OP, ANYthese can or will be documented with my obsessive saving of all communication, pictures, or communication.--if you any care to see/read or even hear his voicemails...I have them all.
The basics?--we agreed on a deal. (Those that deal or have dealt with me know that tend to be more on the "contract" end of the spectrum more so than the looser styles of some.-I feel this sets te expectation of all involved, and reduces or removes and assumptions, or grey areas..)
Despite my predisposition to legal mumbo jumbo, and despite that the deal proposed and offered, was set up by him and agreed by both of us.
As we were to send at the same time as per our agreement- it should have been a sign/red flag when he basically duped me into sending first, and then only AFTER I had sent him proof of my shipping -THEN he informed me (- PLEASE NOTE-CONTRARY to his earlier deal AND words) that he wouldn't be shipping until he received my knives.-and after he had them to look at, THEN he would send the Szabofly.-/again-this was not what HE had set forth, nor was it what we agreed on.--but afyer i cooled down, i replied to his trickery with his tescking numbers, and very clear verbiage that explained it WAS not the deal, and that he knowingly mislead me.-- as I had already given it to the post office earlier in the day, I felt there was little i could do about it-as he had soecified that we would both express mail.
He got my knives the next day as I had sent express. After a day or two, he then sent ME a pic if my tracking.--I thought the deal was almost over., thinking I only had to inform him that it for there ok, and we would oart ways...but I was wrong.
I DID get the szabo four or five days after I sent MY end.-again-totally his doing and antics.
I got it, an it was not necessarily mint as it has marks on the handles and latch wear.(also like every other assertion here-I have documented proof of this as well.)---but as they were minor,( and i had wanted a Szabofly bad enough to post one of my only 3 ever WTB posts.-lol-), I figure I would overlook them, and not make a stink-I mean how many knives come for the factory and are not perfect examples-many, it's reality.)-but as I said they were minor-but the reason I bring them up at all is that HE said his knife was absolute mint/new in box.-whereas his whole reasoning for devaluing my end was BECAUSE of my pics and decryption.-but the key point here is that HE described "mint/new in box.." In MY post, and comm. with him, I described one of my knives as,".. like new/excellent condition..", and the other lightly carried two but in excellent to like new condition. I was clear anoint heir being no box, and that it came with bag and unfolded warranty.
In my sales post, I was clear and accurate about the condition of my knives (as I always try to be)-(and other than one instance/exception where I didn't know the TRUE history of my Dalton, or whatnot exactly was--I recanted and reset a deal that lost me money-simply because I want going to sell it under a false pretense.)--
So-after we had a deal, in which the knives, the amount of cash to even up, and even the shipping were all expressly laid out--he still changed what we had agree upon.
I feel, and felt tricked in HOW he went about making me ship first.
Had he simply asked, (note i had not seen/read this thread prior to this morning.*-sheesh-*headslap*)
I might have agreed. But he didn't approach me and say,"as tou are new tonthe forum, I would like to receive first, so I can inspect them prior to shipping." -and like I said, having not known what i know now, I probably would have acquiesced/agreed..but he didn't approach me politely, hell he didnt even breach the subject of me sending first until AFTER we had both agreed on same day express shipping, and until AFTER he was sure I sent mine-knowing FULL well, he had no intention of shipping at the same time as me.
Then to FURTHER add to his "changing of the agreement on-the-fly" antics. He waited until he had my knives, and then a day or so later when he 'got around to it' he sent the szabo. (Again-this goes against the deal he laid out.)
NOW to further add to his shady antics after having my knives for days(AND MORE IMPORTANTLY HAD MY KNIVES PRIOR TO SENDING HIS!) , NOW almost a week after knives were shipped, he starts his bull again.
He sends me a text that basically says "your knives are not new in box, send me $120.--or send me my knife back."
And again-let me point out that anyone who has ever dealt with me will tell you that I am VERY approachable and agreeable person.--but he doesn't say, hey can we talk about this some more, or can I talk you about something-no, he sends me a text while I am at work that says if you want to keep the szabofly, then you need to send me $120.
When I add later, I will go into exactly how ridiculous this math is , and WHY his devaluing of my accurately described knifes versus his maiximizing of value of HIS advertised as "mint/new in box" is both off on his valuation, AND a misstatement about it being mint.---as I said-I will proved the mathematical details, and all assertions in this post are very well documented via email, text, pics before the deal, pics befor wrapping before shipping (got that little tip from eBay experience..-lol), pictures of the package, shipping labels & receipts, and yes even some recording s of his improper and profane harassment and cussing tirades that bit my voicemail last night.
His threatening of my "reputation and standing in be knife world " and how he will "XXXXing ruin you, you piece of XXXX and waste of XXXXing time.
Want to know what sparked all this threatening of my reputation and posturing?
one was when he, (out of the blue days after we had already traded), he sent an email and text asking me to send him $120 if I wanted to keep the szabofly. And I said no, I will NOT send you another $120 as that was not the deal,
I explained that we had a deal, but out of respect for him, I would hit up a couple of friends,( and,
in fact i hit up a couple mods & admins for advice on a different site.(to remove bias)-but my point is- I wasn't rude. I wasn't dismissive. I simply said I wasn't going to send him any money, and before I sent his knife back, I wanted to get some guidance or advice .--I feel this is proper and just in its own way,and frankly, I don't see anything wrong with it.
Second-I explained I was working nights and couldn't respond properly, right then and there, but that I would later..-/apparently me saying I couldn't respond properly (as I was at work) combined with my statement that I wanted to ask advice or guidance from more senior members, or admin/mods apparently proved to be just TOO much for him to handle.-/he began barraging my emails/text account with an insane amount and number of angry, illogical phrases and cussing utterances directed at me.-/and explaining to me in great detail what exactly he thought of me.--and even though I don't feel I am wrong-as I said-and as I told him-I wanted counsel and advice.
As I said, I am new, but also as I have said, I try to treat others how I would want to be treated.
But to reassure myself, and reaffirm my choices-I wanted to run the scenarios last some others to see how THEY would proceed, or handle things.
One went so far in their answer as to say," if he had spoke to ME like that, i would remind him that you had a deal, and as it is 'illegal' to send Balisongs across state lines in he mail, sir.-we had a deal, go pound sand."
As I said.. redundantly, and I apologize for that, I have ALL documents saved, and available.
After I have some time- I will post a more detailed summary, and / or proof(either pics, emails, or voicemails..) of any assertions.
I do like the knife, and under different circumstances( reas AS: as in someone who can handle themselves without cussing and harassing--or discuss rather than demand and command (especially since I did no wrong, but feel he did plenty wrong.) I certainly would be open to talking and discussing-but what I am not willing to do is make a deal, then have the over party change almost every aspect of throughout, sometimes using outright deception, and THEN harass an berate me with no provocation.
But that's talking, and that's with a deal agreed upon and stuck to by both parties.--things which me Alvatez can't seem to string together-his ability to talk conversationally without he threats harassment and profanity, his inability to stick to a deal (one HE set up).
More details for anyone who wants to know-otherwise when I have a more concise summary-I will post more details, and I need be-any or all of my documentation. (Pictures, emails, texts, and yes-his angry profane voicemails)
As said- I can and will timeline the events, and how it went down.
But for now/ as I have spent two hours answering each AND EVERY email/text he blew my phone up with.--even after I said I would respond later.
So right now-I need a break from thinking/dealing with it.
I'll touch back later.
Unfortunately I seem to be doing my research after the fact, as I am currently "unwind"ing a deal in which he changed the terms of our agreement AFTER we had agreed on certain points.
Like the original poster, I have the entire trail of emails, and texts.-in fact -I SAVED his three voicemails BECAUSE of his profanity and vitriol.-and ALSO like the OP, I will refrain from posting them all, but I WILL be posting some of the highlights. And I will post them later, as i literally JUST got done typing my replies to his profane anger.
And as a new member to this and other forums, I also was taken back, then insulted, and even had my "reputation in the knife world" threatened by him. There is a long long list of some ..classic quotes that will be forthcoming.
But as I said-I will be posting these in the next day or two. And will Be posting the whole summary of events as they happened, on the timeline.--AND like the OP, ANYthese can or will be documented with my obsessive saving of all communication, pictures, or communication.--if you any care to see/read or even hear his voicemails...I have them all.
The basics?--we agreed on a deal. (Those that deal or have dealt with me know that tend to be more on the "contract" end of the spectrum more so than the looser styles of some.-I feel this sets te expectation of all involved, and reduces or removes and assumptions, or grey areas..)
Despite my predisposition to legal mumbo jumbo, and despite that the deal proposed and offered, was set up by him and agreed by both of us.
As we were to send at the same time as per our agreement- it should have been a sign/red flag when he basically duped me into sending first, and then only AFTER I had sent him proof of my shipping -THEN he informed me (- PLEASE NOTE-CONTRARY to his earlier deal AND words) that he wouldn't be shipping until he received my knives.-and after he had them to look at, THEN he would send the Szabofly.-/again-this was not what HE had set forth, nor was it what we agreed on.--but afyer i cooled down, i replied to his trickery with his tescking numbers, and very clear verbiage that explained it WAS not the deal, and that he knowingly mislead me.-- as I had already given it to the post office earlier in the day, I felt there was little i could do about it-as he had soecified that we would both express mail.
He got my knives the next day as I had sent express. After a day or two, he then sent ME a pic if my tracking.--I thought the deal was almost over., thinking I only had to inform him that it for there ok, and we would oart ways...but I was wrong.
I DID get the szabo four or five days after I sent MY end.-again-totally his doing and antics.
I got it, an it was not necessarily mint as it has marks on the handles and latch wear.(also like every other assertion here-I have documented proof of this as well.)---but as they were minor,( and i had wanted a Szabofly bad enough to post one of my only 3 ever WTB posts.-lol-), I figure I would overlook them, and not make a stink-I mean how many knives come for the factory and are not perfect examples-many, it's reality.)-but as I said they were minor-but the reason I bring them up at all is that HE said his knife was absolute mint/new in box.-whereas his whole reasoning for devaluing my end was BECAUSE of my pics and decryption.-but the key point here is that HE described "mint/new in box.." In MY post, and comm. with him, I described one of my knives as,".. like new/excellent condition..", and the other lightly carried two but in excellent to like new condition. I was clear anoint heir being no box, and that it came with bag and unfolded warranty.
In my sales post, I was clear and accurate about the condition of my knives (as I always try to be)-(and other than one instance/exception where I didn't know the TRUE history of my Dalton, or whatnot exactly was--I recanted and reset a deal that lost me money-simply because I want going to sell it under a false pretense.)--
So-after we had a deal, in which the knives, the amount of cash to even up, and even the shipping were all expressly laid out--he still changed what we had agree upon.
I feel, and felt tricked in HOW he went about making me ship first.
Had he simply asked, (note i had not seen/read this thread prior to this morning.*-sheesh-*headslap*)
I might have agreed. But he didn't approach me and say,"as tou are new tonthe forum, I would like to receive first, so I can inspect them prior to shipping." -and like I said, having not known what i know now, I probably would have acquiesced/agreed..but he didn't approach me politely, hell he didnt even breach the subject of me sending first until AFTER we had both agreed on same day express shipping, and until AFTER he was sure I sent mine-knowing FULL well, he had no intention of shipping at the same time as me.
Then to FURTHER add to his "changing of the agreement on-the-fly" antics. He waited until he had my knives, and then a day or so later when he 'got around to it' he sent the szabo. (Again-this goes against the deal he laid out.)
NOW to further add to his shady antics after having my knives for days(AND MORE IMPORTANTLY HAD MY KNIVES PRIOR TO SENDING HIS!) , NOW almost a week after knives were shipped, he starts his bull again.
He sends me a text that basically says "your knives are not new in box, send me $120.--or send me my knife back."
And again-let me point out that anyone who has ever dealt with me will tell you that I am VERY approachable and agreeable person.--but he doesn't say, hey can we talk about this some more, or can I talk you about something-no, he sends me a text while I am at work that says if you want to keep the szabofly, then you need to send me $120.
When I add later, I will go into exactly how ridiculous this math is , and WHY his devaluing of my accurately described knifes versus his maiximizing of value of HIS advertised as "mint/new in box" is both off on his valuation, AND a misstatement about it being mint.---as I said-I will proved the mathematical details, and all assertions in this post are very well documented via email, text, pics before the deal, pics befor wrapping before shipping (got that little tip from eBay experience..-lol), pictures of the package, shipping labels & receipts, and yes even some recording s of his improper and profane harassment and cussing tirades that bit my voicemail last night.
His threatening of my "reputation and standing in be knife world " and how he will "XXXXing ruin you, you piece of XXXX and waste of XXXXing time.
Want to know what sparked all this threatening of my reputation and posturing?
one was when he, (out of the blue days after we had already traded), he sent an email and text asking me to send him $120 if I wanted to keep the szabofly. And I said no, I will NOT send you another $120 as that was not the deal,
I explained that we had a deal, but out of respect for him, I would hit up a couple of friends,( and,
in fact i hit up a couple mods & admins for advice on a different site.(to remove bias)-but my point is- I wasn't rude. I wasn't dismissive. I simply said I wasn't going to send him any money, and before I sent his knife back, I wanted to get some guidance or advice .--I feel this is proper and just in its own way,and frankly, I don't see anything wrong with it.
Second-I explained I was working nights and couldn't respond properly, right then and there, but that I would later..-/apparently me saying I couldn't respond properly (as I was at work) combined with my statement that I wanted to ask advice or guidance from more senior members, or admin/mods apparently proved to be just TOO much for him to handle.-/he began barraging my emails/text account with an insane amount and number of angry, illogical phrases and cussing utterances directed at me.-/and explaining to me in great detail what exactly he thought of me.--and even though I don't feel I am wrong-as I said-and as I told him-I wanted counsel and advice.
As I said, I am new, but also as I have said, I try to treat others how I would want to be treated.
But to reassure myself, and reaffirm my choices-I wanted to run the scenarios last some others to see how THEY would proceed, or handle things.
One went so far in their answer as to say," if he had spoke to ME like that, i would remind him that you had a deal, and as it is 'illegal' to send Balisongs across state lines in he mail, sir.-we had a deal, go pound sand."
As I said.. redundantly, and I apologize for that, I have ALL documents saved, and available.
After I have some time- I will post a more detailed summary, and / or proof(either pics, emails, or voicemails..) of any assertions.
I do like the knife, and under different circumstances( reas AS: as in someone who can handle themselves without cussing and harassing--or discuss rather than demand and command (especially since I did no wrong, but feel he did plenty wrong.) I certainly would be open to talking and discussing-but what I am not willing to do is make a deal, then have the over party change almost every aspect of throughout, sometimes using outright deception, and THEN harass an berate me with no provocation.
But that's talking, and that's with a deal agreed upon and stuck to by both parties.--things which me Alvatez can't seem to string together-his ability to talk conversationally without he threats harassment and profanity, his inability to stick to a deal (one HE set up).
More details for anyone who wants to know-otherwise when I have a more concise summary-I will post more details, and I need be-any or all of my documentation. (Pictures, emails, texts, and yes-his angry profane voicemails)
As said- I can and will timeline the events, and how it went down.
But for now/ as I have spent two hours answering each AND EVERY email/text he blew my phone up with.--even after I said I would respond later.
So right now-I need a break from thinking/dealing with it.
I'll touch back later.
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