BAD- Received Rocks vice Rockstead

[Elgatodeacero]

I don’t see how packaging, new or recycled, makes much difference. Obviously, you don’t want knife to cut thru packaging, but major retailers (like seller of Northwoods) routinely ship in standard bubble envelope with no problems.

You could ship knife in a Russian doll nest of boxes and it is still easy for a thief to cut tape and take item.

No packaging will stop a determined criminal.

 

[JasonPaul]

I only read the first seven pages before going cross-eyed, so if this is duplication, I apologize.

I have a postmaster in the family and I can tell you the third party possibility is in fact a possibility. Things unfortunately do happen. A friend of my wife's had her engagement ring stolen that was ten times the cost of the Rockstead after it was sent off for resizing and an employee eventually admitted it.

I saw good points made by each party and vouches for each as well. I wonder how thoroughly this third party possibility has been discussed between seller and buyer. The easiest way to work through a situation like this after all is by engaging with the other party in the transaction.

 

[PeteyTwoPointOne]

I reuse boxes on occasion if they are in good shape. Laziness has nothing to do with reuse in my case and really, I'm sure I am not the only one that does it.

Your opinion is noted.

And I'd agree if the blade in question was a non-standard size and there was no other sturdy box that would work, and that was-- this is key-- as easily & readily available as a new Priority Mail mailer.

Still, I'll abide by my initial comment.

Another assessment of mine...anyone who ships an $800+ blade in a used USPS mailer isn't taking due care...those boxes are designed to have a certain level of structural integrity when new and folded correctly BEFORE they're been used x amount of times.

 

[Nick H.]

This thread depresses me - there are so many people throwing serious accusations at long term, respected members. It's ugly and it's simple-minded. I've only joined recently and this thread has taught me that I'm sharing a forum with quite a number of idiots. It's so obvious that it was a theft by a postal worker, using the rocks to cover their tracks and make the theft harder to investigate. The thief no doubt has a stock of rocks handy so he can weigh out the right amount to allay suspicion while the parcel is going from hub to hub.

 

[sharp_edge]

@luh1202 never answered my question but I hope he takes it into consideration when discussing the matter with the buyer and/or a mail investigator. As show in that screenshot, there is clearly a sign on the box where the tape was removed. If luh1202 reused the box, then the sign does not bear much meaning. Otherwise, it would be a clear indication of someone else opened the box before the OP video was made.

 

[LastRodeo]

This thread depresses me - there are so many people throwing serious accusations at long term, respected members. It's ugly and it's simple-minded. I've only joined recently and this thread has taught me that I'm sharing a forum with quite a number of idiots. It's so obvious that it was a theft by a postal worker, using the rocks to cover their tracks and make the theft harder to investigate. The thief no doubt has a stock of rocks handy so he can weigh out the right amount to allay suspicion while the parcel is going from hub to hub.

There is nothing obvious here at all, especially that is was theft by a postal worker. You have been a member here since Sunday? Most folks spend a fair amount of time talking knives before they venture over to GB&U.

 

[Quiet]

^ First & foremost: I'm hoping/praying, that your surgery & impending recovery, proceed without any problems. Secondly, & as always: I thank you, for your service on behalf of our Country.
As for this case/ thread: I honestly believe, that you are a victim here, & FWIW, I stand behind you 100%!



^^^ "disheartened" < +1

To see the OP; an otherwise trustworthy, reputable member here with a 100% solid reputation on every knife related forum he's participated in (active duty military- not that this is an excuse for bad behavior), be treated by fellow member's/so called "brother's, in this manner, is beyond pathetic!!! All by people trying to CSI his video taping, analyzing his every action/narration, as he made this unboxing video literally a few feet from his Superior Officer, then concluding he's either guilty, or acting suspicious.
Some of the reckless, obscenely absurd, far reaching aspersions being posted here (directly or indirectly), were extremely disappointing to read.

My decision sometime back, to not to buy/sell on this forum anymore (quit while I'm ahead), was just validated as being a wise one, after reading some of the post's in this thread.
All I can say, is "Thank God," I dodged a bullet & never had to face the wrath of this GBU court of pubic opinion, during my 500+ +++transactions here.
Quite some "brotherhood" you guys got going on here, a word so many of you preach & carelessly throw around, but in reality, don't have a continental clue what this word truly means.




+1





^^ OP: I wouldn't waste another second of your valuable time, dignifying a response to some of these poster's, & their ridiculous, comments.



^ +1 I think the seller intends to keep it.



^ Unfortunately, Sleeper80, many of the responder's here, aren't dealing, with "above average intelligence."



^ This. The most thoughtful, sensible post in this 12 page derailment.



^ Wishing the OP well. FWIW: I admire & respect, you, & many of the other's here, who've shown the ability, to be reasonable, & wait for more facts to come in.



^ And your point is?

In conclusion, I'd like to also add:
It's quite pathetic, seeing so many member's here having a grand old time hooting it up, posting several pages not at all related to this unfortunate unresolved situation the buyer/seller are presently facing. Some of the post whore, narcissists here, really should think about taking a good look in the mirror & get over yourselves...
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but BladeForums, will always be much bigger, than any you, & your massive ego's.....& will always take center stage.

I'll be holding out hope, that somehow, someway, there will be a positive resolution to this case.

The irony of a low intelligence, low quality "member" attempting to trash a bunch of other people is rich. I can't wait until you leave again. Criminy.

 

[bonky]

There is nothing obvious here at all, especially that is was theft by a postal worker. You have been a member here since Sunday? Most folks spend a fair amount of time talking knives before they venture over to GB&U.

I agree with you in that nothing is obvious, but I'd rather believe that an outside party would be the culprit instead of one of the two members involved here.

Of course, what I want to believe has zero value, but I don't see anything presented yet to make me think otherwise.

Call me an idealist, but I prefer to err on the good side when people's reputations are on the line.

 

[Nick H.]

There is nothing obvious here at all, especially that is was theft by a postal worker. You have been a member here since Sunday? Most folks spend a fair amount of time talking knives before they venture over to GB&U.

This thread isn't about knives, it's about human behaviour. If you think that knowledge of knives qualifies you to understand people, you really need to have a word with yourself.

 

[LastRodeo]

I agree with you in that nothing is obvious, but I'd rather believe that an outside party would be the culprit instead of one of the two members involved here.

Of course, what I want to believe has zero value, but I don't see anything presented yet to make me think otherwise.

Call me an idealist, but I prefer to err on the good side when people's reputations are on the line.

I would like to believe that also, but it would not be the first time that someone’s brother/roommate/son got onto their BF account and pulled something similar. Also, we have even seen a few upstanding members suddenly go off the rails.

Since it very well might have been someone at the post office that stole the knife, a claim should have been made immediately. Has that happened? If I got scammed, would my first action be to report it to the authorities or post a video on BF? Was it reported to law enforcement?

 

[Rhinoknives1]

I have no knife or bag of rocks in this fight. I will say that from Doctors to police to politicians and yes, even postal workers have been let go, arrested etc for criminal reasons.... there are always a couple of bad apples in any barrel! I hope this is resolved to the best for the seller & buyer..

 

[LastRodeo]

This thread isn't about knives, it's about human behaviour. If you think that knowledge of knives qualifies you to understand people, you really need to have a word with yourself.

Read through a few years worth of GB&U, you will have a better understanding of human behavior.

 

[unwisefool]

Most would be hard pressed to tell it had been reused.

Challenge accepted! You send me some candy or snacketty snacks in a box and I'll tell you if it's been reused before or not.

Nothing banana or booger flavored though.

 

[Peter Hartwig]

There is nothing obvious here at all, especially that is was theft by a postal worker. You have been a member since Sunday? Most folks spend a fair amount of time talking knives before they venture over to GB&U.

I am in the postal worker likely did it camp, but it not being obvious is why it works. This item was insured and needed a signature, so taping it and putting the rocks in helped get this item out of postal hands and into the end receiver before it is discovered. If the box was left un-taped or disappeared there would be an insurance claim and possible investigation. It may have been picked up at the PO if no one was there to sign, and if I felt the box was empty(I usually try to determine when picking up) I would open it in front of the clerk-definitely clearing me and likely starting an investigation. By fooling long enough to get it away from postal hands it opens up all to ?. Unless someone feels the agony of guilt and confesses it is likely where this stays, but unless luh has some evidence that it is definitely the OP, I think he should pay on it. Not luh's fault, but his responsibility IMO.
Respected member going rogue is not impossible, but a low percentage chance IMO

My ?'s to luh are: If already answered I missed
1.Did you hand deliver this package to the PO or did a carrier pick it up. My postal theory works best with a carrier( or someone else) that has plenty of time with the item.
2. Has any insurance claim or postal investigation been started. If no one is investigating at all I doubt any progress will be made.

 

[LastRodeo]

I am in the postal worker likely did it camp, but it not being obvious is why it works. This item was insured and needed a signature, so taping it and putting the rocks in helped get this item out of postal hands and into the end receiver before it is discovered. If the box was left un-taped or disappeared there would be an insurance claim and possible investigation. It may have been picked up at the PO if no one was there to sign, and if I felt the box was empty(I usually try to determine when picking up) I would open it in front of the clerk-definitely clearing me and likely starting an investigation. By fooling long enough to get it away from postal hands it opens up all to ?. Unless someone feels the agony of guilt and confesses it is likely where this stays, but unless luh has some evidence that it is definitely the OP, I think he should pay on it.
Respected member going rogue is not impossible, but a low percentage chance IMO

My ?'s to luh are: If already answered I missed
1.Did you hand deliver this package to the PO or did a carrier pick it up. My postal theory works best with a carrier( or someone else) that has plenty of time with the item.
2. Has any insurance claim or postal investigation been started.

Maybe we can get a postal worker to confirm if the weight is tracked throughout the trip through the postal system. That would be the smoking gun.

 

[Peter Hartwig]

Maybe we can get a postal worker to confirm if the weight is tracked throughout the trip through the postal system. That would be the smoking gun.

That would help

 

[Lapedog]

I am in the postal worker likely did it camp, but it not being obvious is why it works. This item was insured and needed a signature, so taping it and putting the rocks in helped get this item out of postal hands and into the end receiver before it is discovered. If the box was left un-taped or disappeared there would be an insurance claim and possible investigation. It may have been picked up at the PO if no one was there to sign, and if I felt the box was empty(I usually try to determine when picking up) I would open it in front of the clerk-definitely clearing me and likely starting an investigation. By fooling long enough to get it away from postal hands it opens up all to ?. Unless someone feels the agony of guilt and confesses it is likely where this stays, but unless luh has some evidence that it is definitely the OP, I think he should pay on it. Not luh's fault, but his responsibility IMO.
Respected member going rogue is not impossible, but a low percentage chance IMO

My ?'s to luh are: If already answered I missed
1.Did you hand deliver this package to the PO or did a carrier pick it up. My postal theory works best with a carrier( or someone else) that has plenty of time with the item.
2. Has any insurance claim or postal investigation been started. If no one is investigating at all I doubt any progress will be made.

The post man delivering it or any postman who was transporting it would have had plenty of time alone with the package as well.

 

[Peter Hartwig]

The post man delivering it or any postman who was transporting it would have had plenty of time alone with the package as well.

Correct. I only asked about the one picking up to see if there even was one. If not one less person in the mix.

 

[bonky]

I would like to believe that also, but it would not be the first time that someone’s brother/roommate/son got onto their BF account and pulled something similar. Also, we have even seen a few upstanding members suddenly go off the rails.

Since it very well might have been someone at the post office that stole the knife, a claim should have been made immediately. Has that happened? If I got scammed, would my first action be to report it to the authorities or post a video on BF? Was it reported to law enforcement?

I think that overall we mostly agree.

Regarding your questions, of course I cannot answer with accurate information because I am not directly involved.

Again, I feel speculation at this point serves no productive purpose. We have two vetted BF members involved here, we'll just have to wait and see how it plays out.

 

[The Aflac Duck]

Your opinion is noted.

And I'd agree if the blade in question was a non-standard size and there was no other sturdy box that would work, and that was-- this is key-- as easily & readily available as a new Priority Mail mailer.

Still, I'll abide by my initial comment.

Another assessment of mine...anyone who ships an $800+ blade in a used USPS mailer isn't taking due care...those boxes are designed to have a certain level of structural integrity when new and folded correctly BEFORE they're been used x amount of times.

LOL

Well put me on your ignore list because if you ever buy a knife from me I will purposely send it to you in a reused box with toilet paper for padding, because that’s a load of crap.