"Bad things don't happen on the trail..." a/k/a "If she only had a pistol..."

Don Rearic

Don Rearic

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Or really knew how to use a knife...or a cane or walking stick. Good chance she would be alive today.

This is why it is sometimes very important to tell people when they are wrong or that they don't know what they are really talking about when it comes to the real world because occasionally, women like this frequent forums for information...if they feel as though they will be looked at as a "wannabe" or a "keyboard commando" or a "mall ninja," yeah, you can really negatively touch people's lives.

Not necessarily what happened in this case, she was a martial artist...but maybe somewhere on some forum or even in person, someone told her she didn't need a weapon. A guy that wasn't even in good enough shape to keep up with her on the AT met her on the way back down a trail and killed her later on.

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/cityn...iller-recounts-last-days-of-his-victim-s-life
 
What a horrible story and a horrible man.... And a prime example of why I refuse to go unarmed in the hills regardless of laws and regulatory silliiness.


tostig
 
Yeah that was a sad case.

That guy is going to fry for the Dunlap murder in FL I think.

I read on another board, a hiking one where this was being discussed and numerous people all over the east coast had run into this guy on the trail.

One lady lagged behind her pals and ran into him and he struck up a conversation then on the way back he circled and somehow he got behind her but she was then with her friends.

It's my understanding that he abducted her not on the trail but by her car. He lived in National forests all over the southeast.
 
wolves and lions are not the only thing stalking the trails and sizing up the prey.

ryan
 
This is why I am far less worried about four legged animals on the trail.
 
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tknife said:
This is why I am far less worried about four legged animals on the trail.
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Agreed!

This is why I'm glad my wife doesn't want to go on solo trips (not that she wants to go with me either, but thats another issue!:))

Brandon
 
also why I have a G26 to sweat on in the summer -
 
What kind of dog did she have that would stand by and let her be attacked???? Even my mother's pomeranians would attack someone attacking her.

Anyone who hikes the AT unarmed is crazy, too many murders, robberies and such happen there. I'm a big burly guy and I wouldn't even hike alone unarmed.

And NEVER EVER under any circumstances should a woman go alone.

These same women wouldn't go alone into "bad" parts of a city I don't understand why they think it's safer in the woods. Perhaps out where no one else goes but the AT is like a highway for hikers. And just like real highways there are predators on them.

It's a terrible shame this was an unecessary easily prevented death.

Don't go alone, if you must then bring protection.
 
I guess she ran out there all the time.

Her dog was friendly I think. Plus the killer had a dog too.

Somebody actually adopted the killers dog. ME's dog was found before she was found. I guess he was a dog but not people lover.

I've said this before but if I was a female under 25 I'd go armed everywhere.

This lady was abducted right off a mall parking lot:

http://www.nampn.org/cases/burns_samantha.html
 
Very sad story. I remember seeing a show where some law enforcement officer was teaching some basic things to keep in mind should you ever find yourself in a similar situation. He said that it was extremely important to not let an abductor take you from the primary crime scene i.e. where you are first attacked to a secondary crime scene i.e the attacker's residence or hide out. Apparently the chances of survival are much less if brought to the secondary scene. I'm not saying it would necessarily have helped in this case but maybe it will help someone that reads this.
 
i agree that a knife or gun would have ended the whole conflict with the man seeing as he was having a hard time with a weapon and she had nothing. i am a proffesional mma fighter and one thing i always tell people when they come to my gym,especially women, is its one thing to fight in a cage,but theres no fair fight in the street(this case a trail),kick that sucker in the nuts and run.sad story,she did do all the right things.
 
akthor said:
What kind of dog did she have that would stand by and let her be attacked???? Even my mother's pomeranians would attack someone attacking her.
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You would be very surprised how few dogs will ever attack a person, even if they are threatening their owner. The simple fact is the average dog owner trains their dog to be docile towards people their entire lives.
What really scares me is how many people own dogs and think they can rely on them for protecting themselves and their family. (half of these dogs are ~50lbs or under:confused:) I got into an arguement with one of my cousins a while back about this very topic. She lives in D.C. and absolutely believes that her 25-30lb mutt can be relied on to protect her and her kids in the event of a home invasion. the reality is that one good kick and that dogs going to be hiding under a table. I say get a gun. (shes a farm girl and already knows how to use one:thumbup:)
 
Has there ever been any study on the increase of crime on major trails like the A.T.?

I've heard of several murders on the A.T., so it does happen.
 
It is sickening what mankind does to each other. Sad, very sad.:(
It does remind me of my early days, when I went hunting with my dad.
He told me that the only thing to fear in the woods was other people. He hasn't been proven wrong in my days in the woods of Maine, at least.
 
Sad series of events..... still don't agree with the whole gun will save the day theory. I would like to see some statistics comparing attacks thwarted to attacks initiated with handguns. I don't claim to have all the facts... just my opinion. This is just one of a few isolated cases. Much more dangerous leaving the mall parking lot at night, I would think.

Poor girl.

Rick
 
my opinion is a weapon of any kind would of been better than empty hands regardless of training with a gun being the best equalizer. If she almost had the upper hand against him using empty hands i wonder what would of happened if she would of had a weapon or two herself.

I have personally never hiked with a firearm but some of my knives would be considered weapons under many laws including Iowa's where i live.

Scumbags seem to be more prevalent in the outdoors more than ever or at least reported more today.
 
Makes you wish that you could get ten minutes alone in the woods with that Bast*##*.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
 
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