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I'm sure others will be more knowledgeable than I, but I wouldn't throw that knife.. Just seems like you're asking for trouble.

I remember seeing a thread on a bk2 where the guy threw it hundreds of times and then it shattered when he dropped it onto a stump. Now I know they aren't the same knife, but I feel like if it broke a bk2, it can break just about anything.
 
You shouldn't throw hardened knives. They are just too brittle to be used like that, and will eventually fail.

Throwing knives are run at a much lower hardness, which means they are tough enough to handle the impact/vibrations that throwing produces. The harder knives are great for other use (edge holding, etc), but just don't work out that well when used for throwing.

On the other hand, nice work, throwing isn't easy, so way to go on the 6 out of 6 :).
 
Good point Gentlemen, I don't plan on throwing this knife regularly but I just had to know.
 
Sounds extremely stupid. Don't throw non throwing knives. They are not meant for that. Esee has one of the best warranties available. They will cover anything. Even throwing. But if you break your Esee throwing they will call you an idiot and ask you not to buy anymore of their products. Esee on throwing their knives:

"ESEE KNIVES ARE NOT THROWING KNIVES! They are hardened to a higher Rockwell than throwing knives and will most likely break if thrown, possibly harming the user. So, do yourself and your ESEE knife a favor and DO NOT throw it. Using any knife not meant to be thrown as a throwing knife is idiotic! We would rather idiots not buy our knives. "

Falkniven has a less than stellar warranty. They make great knives though. I would hope if you broke your F1 while throwing it you wouldn't tell them because not only would they call you an idiot, there is no way in hell they would warranty that knife. Falkniven warranty:

"The Fällkniven AB warranty only applies to Fällkniven products purchased from authorized Fällkniven dealers, be careful to save the receipt. Products purchased on the internet through discount websites or through any other unauthorized source are not entitled to our warranty coverage. Grey-imported products are NOT covered by our warranty."

Was that too strongly worded? Maybe. But the knives you have are very nice. But they are cutting tools. If even Esee thinks you shouldn't throw the knife you shouldn't throw the knife. But hey, if you are fine with breaking expensive cutlery doing something the tool was not intended, go right ahead.
 
Please no! Too nice of a knife for throwing, and not designed for it. The edge of that knife is hardened to a pretty high HRC.
 
Gentlemen please relax, I have many throwing knives and am aware of the softer alloys in a throwing knife. I'm just stating that this knife is my EDC and have "no intention" of using it as a throwing knife but I just had to know the capability of my EDC knife.

I will "Never" throw it again, promise.
 
It is your knife. Just don't complain if it breaks doing something it was never designed to do.
 
sigbear said:
Gentlemen please relax, I have many throwing knives and am aware of the softer alloys in a throwing knife. I'm just stating that this knife is my EDC and have "no intention" of using it as a throwing knife but I just had to know the capability of my EDC knife.

I will "Never" throw it again, promise.
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Only if there is a terrorist sneaking up on you.
 
sigbear said:
Gentlemen please relax, I have many throwing knives and am aware of the softer alloys in a throwing knife. I'm just stating that this knife is my EDC and have "no intention" of using it as a throwing knife but I just had to know the capability of my EDC knife.

I will "Never" throw it again, promise.
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:confused: I guess if you could foresee, in your day to day life, needing to throw a knife, it makes sense. I guess, for me, I'm no more likely to throw a non thrower than I am to bash the bejeebus out of a cinder block with it. So I have done neither with my knives to test them.

Maybe my every day experience isn't as exciting as other peoples'.
 
I would never throw a non-throwing knife unless circumstances were such that my life
depended on it. But nice score though.
 
I just picked up a set of 3 Boker Magnum John Bailey Ziel throwing knives for use on a bachelor party camping trip :P

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Also, here's a video of my cousin & brother throwing a Cold Steel Bowie Machete into a tree

[video]https://youtu.be/kyeX-YwUKuk[/video]

[video]https://youtu.be/0kIcNddOwiI[/video]
 
Bigfattyt said:
Unless it is a Busse. Then throw away.
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My brother threw my Basic 9 into a tree several times until I told him how much they cost... Then I told him "screw it, they're guaranteed forever - chunk the sumbitch!"
 
Bigfattyt said:
Unless it is a Busse. Then throw away.
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What rc does Busse harden their knives to? And I'm assuming that when you say Busse, you mean infi, right?

And the reason your saying this, is that infi is quite tough? But now I have to ask, would the same reasonably apply for cpm-3v (which many say performs similarly to infi), S7, 5160, or L6? All of those are much tougher than the 1095's and VG10's that have been talked about in this thread.

Anyway, just curious here. I'm wondering if its just because the steel has higher toughness, their warrantee, or the fact that none have been broken yet that makes it ok to throw.
 
INFI is a very very tough steel. The rc is 58-60 for the normal stuff. They ran some higher in the beginning, and a batch of thin higher hardness in the BAD (boney active duty) Series. It is impact and flex resistant. You can break it. But most breakages j have seen involve a vice and a sledge hammer, after chopping through concrete and steel. I've seed it shatter when shot from the side (though one of those was an AP round from a 50 BMG). I've seen a few people break them "accidentially", by hammering one into the concrete, then kicking it sideways until the tip snapped. Another guy tore out a dime sized chunk chopping a logging chain in half. I've seen a member here cut several cars in half with various models.

They have a great warranty. I've seen them replace broken knives that owners did absolutely silly things to. Fun company.

As to 3v, it is a fantastic steel. I've seen makers do crazy stuff with it. I think it is better in edge retention, and edge stability at lower edge angles. I still believe the INFI edges it in outright impact/shock resistance.

The company has used 5160 early on, and S7 shock steel in Scrap Yard knives (they label that steel SR77 with their proprietary heat treat).

If you want to see bonkers destruction tests watch NOSS destruction tests on youtube. INFI does supremely well. 3v also does great (though it's been a while since I watched, but I believe he tests a monster chopper from Dan Keffler, and I believe it was 3v. One of the few to be called a survivor of his tests (once they reach a certain point he vices them and hits them side ways with a small sledge hammer until they fail).


I've not used 3v. But I have used 5160, L6, a lot of 1095, 52100, vg1, vg10, 440, aus8a, and a hand full of other steels.

If I was picking a knife to abuse, INFI would be at the top of the list. I think that 3v, with an optimal heat treat will be better in out right edge retention. Not in corrosion resistance, and not sure in outright toughness. Lots of fantastic makers choose it for their steel (3v that is). I know one of the makers that I really respect uses 5160 in his customs, but still buys and trades for INFI.

It is not magic. Just a darned good all arround steel. I'd like to see more in higher hardness because it gets better edge stability in thinner grinds, and better edge retention. And I'll give up some toughness for a jimp in edge retention on knives I don't abuse (like thinner slicers).

Dan Keffler, world champ chopper, and maker of some of the best chopping swords and knives I've ever seen demonstrated in videos uses 3v. I'd knock my own mother over for one of his knives or swords in that steel.
 
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AntDog said:
My brother threw my Basic 9 into a tree several times until I told him how much they cost... Then I told him "screw it, they're guaranteed forever - chunk the sumbitch!"
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Funny, the Basic 11 was one of the few I did not throw, because I did not want to scuff the rest c handle. Wish I still had that one. I also never threw the BAD because it was thin, and light.

I did throw my FBMLE, and CG ASH.
 
Would you throw your Porsche over the Grand Canyon or a Big Rock over the Grand Canyon
It's a metaphor don't think about it too much.

;)
 
Bigfattyt said:
INFI is a very very tough steel. The rc is 58-60 for the normal stuff. They ran some higher in the beginning, and a batch of thin higher hardness in the BAD (boney active duty) Series. It is impact and flex resistant. You can break it. But most breakages j have seen involve a vice and a sledge hammer, after chopping through concrete and steel. I've seed it shatter when shot from the side (though one of those was an AP round from a 50 BMG). I've seen a few people break them "accidentially", by hammering one into the concrete, then kicking it sideways until the tip snapped. Another guy tore out a dime sized chunk chopping a logging chain in half. I've seen a member here cut several cars in half with various models.

They have a great warranty. I've seen them replace broken knives that owners did absolutely silly things to. Fun company.

As to 3v, it is a fantastic steel. I've seen makers do crazy stuff with it. I think it is better in edge retention, and edge stability at lower edge angles. I still believe the INFI edges it in outright impact/shock resistance.

The company has used 5160 early on, and S7 shock steel in Scrap Yard knives (they label that steel SR77 with their proprietary heat treat).

If you want to see bonkers destruction tests watch NOSS destruction tests on youtube. INFI does supremely well. 3v also does great (though it's been a while since I watched, but I believe he tests a monster chopper from Dan Keffler, and I believe it was 3v. One of the few to be called a survivor of his tests (once they reach a certain point he vices them and hits them side ways with a small sledge hammer until they fail).


I've not used 3v. But I have used 5160, L6, a lot of 1095, 52100, vg1, vg10, 440, aus8a, and a hand full of other steels.

If I was picking a knife to abuse, INFI would be at the top of the list. I think that 3v, with an optimal heat treat will be better in out right edge retention. Not in corrosion resistance, and not sure in outright toughness. Lots of fantastic makers choose it for their steel (3v that is). I know one of the makers that I really respect uses 5160 in his customs, but still buys and trades for INFI.

It is not magic. Just a darned good all arround steel. I'd like to see more in higher hardness because it gets better edge stability in thinner grinds, and better edge retention. And I'll give up some toughness for a jimp in edge retention on knives I don't abuse (like thinner slicers).

Dan Keffler, world champ chopper, and maker of some of the best chopping swords and knives I've ever seen demonstrated in videos uses 3v. I'd knock my own mother over for one of his knives or swords in that steel.
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Thanks for the response. I'd love to try some infi some day, but right now that's not looking too likely (one Busse is worth more than all of my knives combined, plus quite a bit).

I was mostly familiar with the basics of infi, but was more curious about whey you said it was ok to throw a Busse. My guess was that it was either because of the high toughness, the great warranty, or that no one had seen one break from throwing yet.

I'm not trying to start a big flame war or something like that, just wondering why its perceived as ok to throw a Busse, but not any other hardened knife. I threw out those other steels, knowing that they are among the tougher carbon steels out there, curious if since they may share somewhat similar levels of toughness, if they could be treated the same way and expect no long term damage.
 
Actually, I think you could get a soft target at which to throw, such as a cotton bale and your knife would be okay.
 
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