battle of the 9's

ednemo said:
By resteady, I just mean bring myself back to position after firing. Either shooting one or multiple shots and then recentering yourself.
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With all due respect, with proper technique, you don't have to "recenter yourself" between shots or strings of shots.

I only do this when target shooting at multiple targets, but as I train this way, it gets annoying.
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No doubt !

And yes, the second joint from my finger tip is correct.
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Again, with all due respect, if you're placing your finger on the trigger all the way up to the second joint from the finger tip, you're going in WAY too far. It's difficult to properly manage the trigger with such placment. Unless your hands or fingers are incredibly large or long, there's no reason at all to go past the FIRST joint (from finger tip) on the trigger.

but a fast draw puts my hand a little beneath that. So you get that high shot. Still, practicing gets rid of that fairly fast.
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Yeah, there IS that whole "practice" thing ! :D

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Anyone considering a new 9 might want to look at the new striker-fired model Ruger has just introduced.
 
OldPhysics said:
I know it's pricy, but you really should put your hands on the new H&K P30. I'm trying to. :D
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I did on the same trip.

It FEELS pretty good..........for an HK.........and the trigger is nice.........for an HK....... (ok, it really just "sucks a little less than usual"....;) )

If they put the LEM in one of those, I'd be VERY interested in it. I don't know how viable an action job would be on one of these.

Still has the high bore axis, tho. :grumpy:

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The G19 is practically a standard, and it has earned a good reputation, but there are better guns out there. I like what I've seen of the FN, but I haven't shot it. Their stuff is usually top notch, but they make you pay for it. If you think the FN feels good, I wouldn't hesitate to pick it up.
 
I have to put my usual plug in for CZ products. My favorite compact 9mm that I've fired has been the CZ P01 although I am not a real big fan of decockers.... and well 9mms :)
 
allenC said:
When did this happen???

FNH didn't make my M16A2 back in 1992.
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I will ask around also because I had not heard that. Yes FN makes the SAW and the Mag 240 but I highly doubt that those two weapon systems are even close to 25% of the firearms used.

I also have to question how a pistol, no matter how good it is, can suddenly make a round better. A 9mm is a 9mm no matter what barrel it comes out of.
 
Stop shooting guns set on stun and pack a 1911. j/k

Seriously I've handled the FN-Pro 9 and 40 a couple of different times, but not had a chance to shoot either. Best ergonomics I've seen on a polymer gun yet and I LOVE the controls, like an ambidexterous HK USP Variant 1, but more comfortable to hold and with a hefty discount. I too would love to see some torture/high round tests on it because it looks and feels like a very solid design. By the way they make a .45 version of it now in case you are interested, don't want to start a caliber war, I just started w/ 1911s and have always been a .45 guy.
 
I have to put a word in for the Walther P99. Just about the same dimensions as a Glock 19, maybe even a little bit thinner. Plus the interchangeable backstraps allow you to just the grip to your liking.
 
I do believe you are right about the Walther I think it is the thinnest piece of tupperware I've seen, looked like it'd be easy to carry not sure if it's as thin as a CZ P-01 though, if into metal guns I'd def. give CZ a look. I'm curious if any of you guys carry a Glock 19, or any other Glock IWB, I've handled a few G17s before and thought about getting one but for CCW they still scare the heck outta me, what do you guys that have actually carried them think? Me I'm into manual safeties w/ or w/out a decocker.
 
Spydiefan04 said:
I'm curious if any of you guys carry a Glock 19, or any other Glock IWB, I've handled a few G17s before and thought about getting one but for CCW they still scare the heck outta me, what do you guys that have actually carried them think? Me I'm into manual safeties w/ or w/out a decocker.
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Well no one is gonna be able to talk you out of manual safeties if you are beholden to them.

The glock has 20+ years of safe service behinds its belt with a very wide audience. Just like with the vast majority of modern firearm accidents, a Glock accident is pretty much always operator error. It the same as any revolver just safer.

The largest potential for accidents for IWB carry is reholstering the pistol while carelessly allowing an obstruction in the finger guard. Otherwise Glocks are darn safe. If the trigger has you worried, you could always follow Ayoob's advice and install the New York trigger, it adds a couple of pounds to the trigger pull.
 
i like to pack a glock in a holster because of it not having a safety lever, it worries me some to IWB it with no holster, now a kahr P9 or PM9 i feel completely safe with holster or not, the trigger pull is more like a DA revolver vs the pull on a glock, IIRC a guy shot himself in the butt IWB'ing a glock with no holster, something caught on the trigger, released the safety and boom, i can see where that could happen, perhaps anyway lol. i suppose all pistols have a quirck or 2.

point being either the glock or kahr is perfectly safe imho even though neither one has a conventional safety.
 
zenheretic said:
Well no one is gonna be able to talk you out of manual safeties if you are beholden to them.

The glock has 20+ years of safe service behinds its belt with a very wide audience. Just like with the vast majority of modern firearm accidents, a Glock accident is pretty much always operator error. It the same as any revolver just safer.

The largest potential for accidents for IWB carry is reholstering the pistol while carelessly allowing an obstruction in the finger guard. Otherwise Glocks are darn safe. If the trigger has you worried, you could always follow Ayoob's advice and install the New York trigger, it adds a couple of pounds to the trigger pull.
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Aren't most accidental discharges operator error on ANY pistol?


Paul
 
Yeah I wasn't trying to restart the whole Glock accidental discharge thing, I've just noticed how much shorter and lighter the trigger was than other DAO designs. I know the Kahr is striker fired but the trigger is heavier and the pull is longer, very much like a DA revolver. I don't think I'd like the NYC trigger but if I were to carry a Glock IWB I'd probably have that put on, I'm just paranoid about carrying any gun that way, I'm really mainly a 1911 guy but I wouldn't want to carry a 1911 IWB either. Thinking about CCW is what has got me looking at the FN Pro, Walther P-99, CZ P-01, and Sigs. I like the looks of the Sig Pro as well, but don't know much about it.
 
zenheretic said:
The glock has 20+ years of safe service behinds its belt with a very wide audience. Just like with the vast majority of modern firearm accidents, a Glock accident is pretty much always operator error. It the same as any revolver just safer.
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Only another 70 years or so to go before we really get to see how it stacks up:D
 
Horned Toad said:
Only another 70 years or so to go before we really get to see how it stacks up:D
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No one is saying anything about "better", the question was about safety. Incidentally, I wonder how civilian numbers of the 1911 stack up to the number of civilian Glocks (civilian in this case meaning anything non military). My guess is that it would far less than 70 years before the safety record on Glocks will match the 1911 in terms of time vs accidents, due to vastly greater numbers in circulation.
 
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