be careful with solund!!

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george v

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I have asked the moderator to delete this topic as a number of people in emails have construed this as a personal attack on solund, which was not at all my intention. This is a forum for relating bad as well as good experiences. I had a bad one in which solund played a part and my intention was simply to warn other forumites to be careful.

George

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Well, I suppose you are free to post what you want, but I fail to see the point of the 'mystery' tone to your post. This bit about 'he didnt break any laws' but 'be cautious' and 'email me for details' is a bit weird. This forum is to express your thoughts good or bad. If you feel he has shafted you enough to warrant putting his name in public, then the details should also be public. The way you have gone about this makes it seem as though you are not sure of yourself, and therefore are hesitant to post the entire thing for fear you may have some fault also.



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George, I gotta tell ya, you're way to easy going. As much as I do think you were taken advantage of, I think most of the problem is at your end.

It looks to me that you found out that you were being low balled before you shipped out the knife. If you had a problem you should have taken it up with Steve before shipping it out. Steve, I am sure thinks he made a shrewd deal. Once you accepted the offer and shipped the knife Steve was well within his rights to refuse to re negotiate.

You may have been taken and for that I am sorry, but it's time to put it in the past.

In the future make sure you know what the knife you are selling is worth. It is nice that you have such trust in other members of the forum, but that trust will not always be warranted. It is to bad that you had to learn this in the hard way, but learn it you did.

I hope future dealing leave you fealing alot better.

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Well Keith, I fully agree with you. My point here is just to alert the many forumites who are also less careful than they should be.
 
George,

I think you were wrong posting his name. He made you an offer and you accepted. To me, that puts you on the hook to send the knife, regardless of what you found out later.

If you are only trying to save someone else from making the same mistakes that you made, and you admit that it's your fault, then why title this topic what you did?

Later,
Hawk
 
george v, It's kind of a "dog eat dog" around here. Lots of nice people but everyone is looking for a deal if they can find it. I'm trying to think if I have ever seen a thread where someone said " you're asking too little for that knife". lol Personally, I've got a couple that I gave way too much for but that's life. Win some, lose some, and have fun.
 
Thanks for the heads-up, George.

The way I see it, the only mistake you might have made was in assuming that everyone operates with the same degree of integrity that comes naturally to you. YOU are obviously the kind of man who would have "softened the blow" for some unlucky seller had he or she been in your shoes. As a result, you ended up setting yourself up for a let-down. Personally, I wish it wasn't such a "finders keepers" sort of world myself.

Anyway, fellow forumites are free to consider your comments with respect to this particular transaction and draw their own conclusions. I don't think you "demonize" this guy in any way and you readily admit your own culpability. You just told us what happened and how it made you feel. Totally appropriate for this type of forum, IMHO
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I'm not sure I agree with you posting this situation and potentially damaging his rep,under the circumstances you listed.It is sometime difficult to make a judgement call about whether to post or not.I would say unless your 100% sure e-mail a moderator for an opinion or post the situation without the names mentioned,so as not to damage a rep if you wind up being in the wrong.If what you outlined is totally correct,it sounded like he may not have been totally sure about the value himself.You stated he sent a tentative offer,even if it is possible to get 175.00,maybe to him it is worth 100.00 as an offer.As you said yourself,you accepted and sealed the deal.I've sold many knives for less than what I may have been able to hold out for,just for some quick turnaround cash.I don't belive a 100.00 offer was by any means lowball or unethical.If he new the knife was worth 1000.00 dollars and offered you 100.00,then maybe he would not have much integrity,but then you have to know for sure he new he was taking advantage.Honestly;I don't see what the guy did wrong,there is not even a source that gives you a value that is engraved in stone,all these thing are based on supply and demand.The item is worth what someone is willing to pay and not a penny more. Just my two cents,Ralph
 
I just got an email from the originator of this thread saying he hadn't intended to make a personal attack and his intentions have been misinterpreted and asking me to delete the thread.

My first reaction was the automatic I can't delete the whole thread, other people have posted in it and they would raise heck about having their posts deleted and rightly so.... Then I started trying to think how best to salvage the situation....

I think this is one time to make an exception. I'm going to delete the thread. To forestall any possible cries of censorship, anybody who posted in it can send me an email and I'll send you a copy of your post and you can repost it if you want. I don't think anyone will want to -- I think everybody will be happy to see this whole thread disappear -- but just in case, I will save a copy of the thread.

I'll leave the thread here for a day or two so nobody freaks out at a thread disappearing without warning and then I'll delete it.

Next time ... just the facts, please! Just tell what happened and let the readers form their own opinions about it. Among many other advantages, posting just the facts just might save you some embarrassment.

-Cougar Allen :{)
 
Cougar, it's gonna start a bad situation if you start picking and choosing threads to delete. Just my $.02.
 
You won't hurt my feelings if you delete the thread.I don't think you need to wait a couple of day's.If no one else that has posted in this thread doesn't mind,I don't.I can see the hesitance in his post and I believe he is just upset with himself for accepting what he thinks was a low price,and felt that the buyer should have let him out of the deal under the circumstances.I can't see keeping it here.We are all pretty forgiving here.I say delete away!!
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Ya beat me Big Tex,I understand about setting a precedent,so I hear you about deleting.I don't know if I'm crazy,but I could have sworn the original post was still here when I made another post.Well anyway,the original poster decided to edit his post,and now our posts are kinda responding to something that is no longer there.I think deleting it would probably be better than leaving it,due his edit.In regards to your edit,you still state that it was "bad" experience,infering that this formite is guilty of a bad transaction.Under the circumstances if an accustion is not being backed up with some facts and there was not a actual injured party in this case.I can't see having this thread continue here and casting doubt about dealing with Solund,when to me there wasn't ever any merit to your accusations.I mean what proof do you have he intentionally took advantage.Did he admit knowing it was worth more?Just my two cents.

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This now brings up an issue I have a problem with. Someone posts something, catches a little heat for it, and then deletes it. That's BS. Cougar, I guess he made the deletion of this thread easy.

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I argree with Big Tex, it's kind of chicken shoot for someone to post something and then go back and delete it out. This isn't meant for George V in particular, there are lots of members out there who do this, but I guess everyone is entilted to conduct themselves in whatever way they see fit.

~Mitch
 
I wish I copied some threads in the past where certain folks posted and then later changed/deleted their initial posts. People can stick their feet in their mouths.
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George V is a newbie so we have to cut him a little slack since he doesn't understand how the G,B&U works. I am sure in the future he will be more careful of what he posts here. Solund didn't do anything wrong. We all like to get a bargain at times.
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May be an apology to the guy is in order.

Cougar: don't start deleting posts or else you are gonna open up a can of worms. In the ol' days we USE to be able to delete post entirely, but folks abused that privaledge.
This should be save for learning purposes.




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Well, I have thought about it some more (which I shoulda done in the first place). Big Tex is right, it's setting a bad precedent. People are constantly asking me to delete threads and I tell them I can't do that -- and if I delete this one they'll all say you made an exception once, why not again? Of course I could just tell them to stuff it, but ...

Let's "delete" this thread in the sense of just letting it drop off the first page like any other thread. The problem remains that anyone who does a search on Solund will wonder what this was all about, but I'll solve that problem by telling him, right now:

Hey you! Yeah, you, the guy who ran a search on Solund and found this old thread and you're wondering what it was about -- IT WAS ABOUT NOTHING! Okay? See you around....

And you! You guys who post complaints and then later you think about it and ask me to delete the thread -- NO! I can't do that!

And you! You guys who are wondering whether you should post about something that happened or not! Just post the facts; just tell what happened. Honestly. If you just stick to the facts the worst you can possibly do is waste a little time, and that's no big deal.

Have I yelled at everybody who needs it yet? No -- just one more:

You! Yes you, Cougar Allen the moderator of this forum -- you listening??? YOU CAN'T DELETE THREADS! REMEMBER THAT!

Now I think I've yelled at everybody who needs it and we can let this thread die a natural death just like any other thread.

-Cougar Allen :{)
 
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