Bear attack--1 dead--2 injured

How about this thread getting locked? As many before it, it has turned ugly.
No need for that. Don't let one dumb post and my reply spoil it. This is an informative thread with many valid contributions and I'm sure there will be more good faith posts to come.

I'm sorry for contributing to the unfortunate tangent, but I don't tolerate gratuitous insults. Only the insults I deserve.

One note of warning regarding pepper spray, and this is important.
Someone commented above that you should get two bottles of bear repellent and practice with one. I did that once ( and only once) in the Nahanii in the Northwest territories. I took some practice shots outside of camp to train, just as suggested here. What I didn't know then was that bears are actually attracted to pepper spray! If you get the bear on its mucous membranes ( eyes, nose, mouth) the sting hurts and repels them as advertised ( most of the time) But if you spray it on a tree, for example, the bears are attracted to it! My practice shots attracted a huge bear and I felt like the dumb-ass I was for doing it so close to camp, so please be careful where you practice with bearspray.
 
I've fished all over Yellowstone and southwestern Montana. It's bear country, plain and simple. Not to say the people killed or injured were not careful or deserved what happened to them, but if you don't expose yourself to bears, they can't harm you.

I once watched a guy and his eight year daughter approach a cow moose with a calf. I tried to explain how dangerous this was and was told to mind my business by this goof. I left not wanting to see the mother moose stomp him and his kid to death.

People go to Yellowstone and other large national parks and behave like its Disneyland. Every year someone puts their kid on a buffalo to take a picture and the kid gets hurt or killed. Why??

A little common sense will keep you safe.
Excellent first post! Thanks :D
 
It appears that they have confirmed the sow bear as the cuprit (fibers in it's scat that match the tents/clothes, a piece of chipped tooth found at the attack site, etc.) and she has been put down. The three captured cubs have been sent to a zoo out of fear that their mother had taught them to be predatory toward humans.

Also, there is mention that officials are investigating a local photographer for baiting bears near that location to enhance his portfolio of bear pictures.

http://missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/article_90f40ee4-9f66-11df-8725-001cc4c03286.html
 
One note of warning regarding pepper spray, and this is important.
Someone commented above that you should get two bottles of bear repellent and practice with one. I did that once..... please be careful where you practice with bearspray.

You can get inert cans of bear spray from most manufacturers. Practice with those. This way you can see the range difference in high winds without the unpleasant aftertaste.:thumbup:
 
You can get inert cans of bear spray from most manufacturers. Practice with those. This way you can see the range difference in high winds without the unpleasant aftertaste.:thumbup:
I didn't know that. Great idea! Like anything else, one should really train first with any weapon or self defence technique, if you can. Besides, that stuff is quite expensive.
 
Methinks someone protesteth too much about "masculinity":rolleyes:
Go back to your subway, lil metro queen.

Yosemite isn't the damn outback, it's one of the busiest natl parks and the people were killed in campgrounds.

Shoot em and make them into rugs. If the metros want to see one, they can go to the zoos.
 
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Go back to your subway, lil metro queen.

Yosemite isn't the damn outback, it's one of the busiest natl parks and the people were killed in campgrounds.

Shoot em and make them into rugs. If the metros want to see one, they can go to the zoos.

I can't say it any better than Mentor, Nemo & HJK... please back off.:)

What an unfortunate post. It adds nothing to this discussion (which seems to be over for the most part) and drags down the tone of the forum. And I say this not because I currently reside in Toronto, but because I know how to conduct myself in civilized conversation.


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If so, this tragic situation becomes a crime.

In that case I hope the authorities charge the photographer with involuntary manslaughter, at the least.

A State game law violation at most with civil fines. However, in many States there is a little known law (civil penalties for criminal actions) allowing victims of even petty crime to sue for monetary damages.

Heirs of the deceased and the two survivors might be able to get a monetary judgement against the alledged bear baiter, and the State might be able to get compensation for the loss of the animals.

IF... the photographer is convicted of a violation and IF... he has the means to pay.

At the very least, the folly of people purposely habituating bears to food bait sources will be highlighted and better understood by the general public. IF... this is truely what has happened in this case.

Allegations of bear baiting investigated
Written by Gib Mathers Thursday, August 05, 2010
Montana officials are investigating claims that a photographer may have baited wildlife in the vicinity of the grizzly bear attack that killed a camper near Cooke City, Mont., last week.

“I can confirm there has been an allegation of bear baiting,” said Andrea Jones, information officer for Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks, Wednesday. “We don’t know how solid it is at this point.”

On Wednesday, July 28, a Michigan man was killed, and two other people were injured by a grizzly in Soda Butte campground, just east of Cooke City.

The sow grizzly responsible for the death and injuries was euthanized, and her three yearling cubs transferred to ZooMontana in Billings last week.

KTVQ in Billings said the station received a tip last week of wildlife baiting near the Northeast Entrance to Yellowstone National Park, according to the news station’s website.

The gate is roughly five miles west of Cooke City.

Jones said Wildlife and Parks officials do not know how solid the evidence is. The allegations are based strictly on a comment posted on a website that someone was baiting bears, she said.

The allegations are of wildlife baiting in the vicinity of Cooke City, but that area covers a lot of ground. And, even if a bear took bait, that is not proof it was the same bear that attacked humans, Jones said.

“Of course we take it seriously,” Jones said. “It’s just that no one is jumping to conclusions or looking for a silver bullet in terms of an answer.”

The Montana Department of Fish, Wildlife and Parks is taking the allegations seriously and investigating anything that might explain the bear’s abnormal behavior. However, nothing has been confirmed, she said.

Malnutrition, human-habituation from food rewards, disease or baiting may have been factors in the bear’s abnormal behavior. But Jones said investigators do not want to single out any of the above factors as the catalyst for the attacks.

Jones said she is awaiting results from the necropsy and is not confirming the sow was malnourished.

And, even though the animal was thin when it was captured, that is no reason for it to attack humans, Jones said.

Testing has confirmed that the sow was indeed the culprit.

“The good news is, the bears responsible have been found,” Jones said. Now, investigators can examine the evidence.

“We can move on to looking at all the pieces and dissecting this situation,” Jones said.

If an individual was found guilty of bear baiting — grizzly or black — it is considered a misdemeanor with a fine of $50 to $1,000, Jones said.

However, a Montana county attorney could increase those penalties if he or she believed it was warranted, Jones said.

http://powelltribune.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3578&Itemid=58
 
while camping in SW Virginia last week, there were black bears around. Fresh scat and other sign indicated that they were within 30 yards or so from where we were camped.
Sleeping under just a tarp might have some feeling vulnerable, but we slept soundly.
Between my two brothers and I, we had a .357, a .38 Special and a .45 ACP. Oh, and some sharp knives as well. :)

I did see one black bear over on Brushy Mountain, looking down from a switchback on Virginia 623.
 
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