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nick nack- You are being way to serious. Do you actually think people will take all of his advice if they are in a similar situation? I know very little about survival and know that its not a good idea to climb to the top of a tree with no branches to get my bearing. Or to climb down a waterfall via flimsy pine tree. I dont think you understand the idea of a practical joke either. I remember scaring the crap out of my sister with a fake skunk when she was out camping in the back yard. Give me a break. Again you fail to realize that this show is not entirely about survival. And that even novice survival watchers with half a brain would never try the things he does.
Next time you watch the show learn what is helpful and useful and enjoy watching what is there for entertainment and you will never feel "cheated" that he is not actually surviving 100%

Beautiful pictures by the way.
 
Yoshi said:
Oh just one thing nemoaz, he spent three years in the Territorial SAS, so he had long passed selection by the time he broke his back, and even Sir Ranulph Fiennes an SAS vet of the Oman war, gives his backing to Bear Grylles.
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Negative. He spent three years as a reservist weekend warrior (Territorial Army= Reserves/National Guard to us in the U.S.) who was going to go to SAS, but got hurt. He did not pass the training and never states that he did, but likes to give the impression that he did without quite lying about it. Moreover, you can clearly see by his utter lack of skills (say, firestarting) that he has no training.
 
Wait...is it possible Discovery wants him to be the next Steve Irwin?

Accent: check
Antics: check
Entertainment: check
Somewhat informative: check

I think he fits the bill.
 
nemoaz said:
Maybe herbal shampoos.
Yet another example of being able to fool some of the people all the time. If the moronic things that the Weekend Warrior Jackass Who Couldn't Pass Reserve SAS Training vs. Wild shows doesn't offend you, you need to know a lot more about survival. Start reading, because you won't learn it from that fraudulent buffoon. A "survival expert" that can't make a fire without matches (or a power drill)? Whatever. I really thought Mr. Shiteater was gone for good.

I would suggest Ron Hood and survival.com.
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Hey man, you are out of bounds. I have every one of Ron's videos and alot of the stuff he teaches I came to by myself from my own experience. I consider Ron to be more of a camper than a survivalist, as when I was a child, I experimented with survival by reading and trying out all of Tom Brown's books on my own in the woods. Tom Brown, whatever his other flaws, sets the bar high, advocating the use of almost no man made supplies. Just a pair of shorts and a knife. As a kid I took that at face value. If you read my posts about Bear, I said I think he views the woods as a extreme sports arena, I also said I think he takes alot of risks, but that is mediated by the fact that he is showing responses to WORSE CASE scenarios. The guy moves like an athlete. He has alot of physical prowess in terms of climbing, moving on glaciers and swiming. So he is NOT a total fraud. He has physical skills. I said he is not a woodsman. Just the one thing about the gas bubbles in the swamp and how he thought that was an aligator, shows you that he doesnt know the woods like some of us here. He seems to have a good base of herbal lore. Sure some expert could be standing next to him and coaching him on that, but it looks like it is coming from him. That is something I wish I could develop better. But the reason I wish that comes from my experience living off the land, doing minimalist camping, knowing from experience how hard it can be to get a meal from the enviroment. I dont think you can learn too much from either of those shows. More like they inspire you to find better solutions than what you see. When I watch them I spend most of my time thinking, "no I wouldnt climb down that water fall, I'd walk down the wooded slope next to it" and thoughts along those lines.
 
nemoaz said:
Negative. He spent three years as a reservist weekend warrior who was going to go to SAS, but got hurt. He did not pass the training and never states that he did, but likes to give the impression that he did without quite lying about it. Moreover, you can clearly see by his utter lack of skills (say, firestarting) that he has no training.
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Going to far by saying utter lack of skills, this kind of all or nothing, black and white thinking reduces the value of observation and commentary on threads like this. About firestarting: the guy is smart enough to wear a fire steel around his neck. He says that he does, and thereby encourages viewers to do the same when they head out into the wilderness. Right there that is a valuable and potentially life saving tip. I would like to see him tell people to carry a good lighter in their pocket as well. But I suppose if they showed him lighting a fire with a pocket lighter everybody would be up in arms. You have to remember not everybody watching the show is a Nessmuk. Some lost hunter who remembers to carry a fire steel or a lighter is going to be alot better off when he has to spend a cold night out in the big woods.
 
Grylls is a travel show.
Les Stroud I watch for his camera skills alone.

People would rather watch somebody run down a cliff on a quest for protein than stay put and conserve energy.
 
staying put works in alot of enviroments and is usually the right thing to do. But not in every situation, his point about getting down to the tree line when you are on a glacier is valid. We are limited by our experiences in specific enviroments in terms of what is the best survival strategy.
 
Originally Posted by Yoshi
Oh just one thing nemoaz, he spent three years in the Territorial SAS, so he had long passed selection by the time he broke his back, and even Sir Ranulph Fiennes an SAS vet of the Oman war, gives his backing to Bear Grylles.
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Ranulph Fiennes is not an SAS vet of Oman. He did serve a very short time in the Regiment, but was kicked out for behaving like an idot. He was however seconded to the Oman Army for a couple of years before leaving the Army. But that was after he was kicked out of the SAS.
 
Cuchuga said:
Wait...is it possible Discovery wants him to be the next Steve Irwin?

Accent: check
Antics: check
Entertainment: check
Somewhat informative: check

I think he fits the bill.
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Now you got it. His survival skills are more escape and evasion oriented, which fits the American entertainment mold better than Les' . This is television. The first most important survival skill is awareness. Don't be fooled by media. You should consider what you see on tv in one way only. That is "how are they trying to get me to buy stuff this time". If you want good survival skill basics, look through some of the stuff on you tube. Or get some training from your local SAR group.
 
This is from his biography on BearGrylls.com

"Served with the British SAS (21 SAS). Passed UK Special Forces Selection, serving as a sabre soldier, trained in unarmed combat, desert and winter warfare, combat survival, medics, parachuting, signals, evasive driving, climbing and explosives. Served in North Africa twice."

It's not that hard to beleive that he was in SAS. Hell I know a few Green Berets.
 
I personally think comments like this are ignorant.
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wow, my post is ignorant? Hell, I thought it was pretty damn funny. Guess poking the stick at Bear gets under a lot of peoples skin. What if I poked fun at another ACTOR I don't like. Jerry Seinfeld. See how silly the "ignorant" part of the argument just doesn't hold up with other entertainers?
 
We've been through this a hundred times. 21st is the reserves. You wait there until you pass. 22nd is the real deal. He passed the interview and PT test to get in the reserves. Never passed the course. He's basically an airborne infantryman by training, but that doesn't sound so neat does it?

Yes, telling people to carry a knife and firesteel is good work. However, it's hard to overlook his other advice of:
drinking urine
eating elephant shit
diving into unknown water from great height
constantly swimming or traversing water for no apparent reason in the cold
climbing and repelling waterfalls and cliffs for no apparent reason
entering a tunnel in a freaking glacier

Doing those things could lead the average person to die in the wilderness.

I don't have a problem with his x-games mentality. I don't like it, but he could work it in easily without blurring it into the "now I'll teach you how to survive" aspect of the show. He could just walk by the waterfall and say, "Ya know, this is dumb, but I love the adrenaline rush. I'm going to see if I can climb that waterfall using vines or climbing ropes disguised as vines. Don't you do this sort of thing, however. I just HAVE to try it. Here I go."

The average person has no clue as to how dangerous or wrong some of the things are that Grylls shows are.
 
xdshooter said:
wow, my post is ignorant? Hell, I thought it was pretty damn funny. Guess poking the stick at Bear gets under a lot of peoples skin. What if I poked fun at another ACTOR I don't like. Jerry Seinfeld. See how silly the "ignorant" part of the argument just doesn't hold up with other entertainers?
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Haha, if you want to poke fun at an actress poke fun at Oprah.

Oh shoot theres an army of middle aged women at my door.:eek:

nemoaz said:
The average person has no clue as to how dangerous or wrong some of the things are that Grylls shows are.
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I totally disagree with the above statement. I qualify as the average person, and know that trying some of the stuff he does would be suicide in a survival situation. And I didnt have to "wiki everything that grylls does wrong" to figure that out.

nemoaz- Give him some credit. After all, he was going to serve his country which at least deserves respect and gratitude. Being in the military is not about having a "neat" sounding title either.
 
Keith_H said:
People would rather watch somebody run down a cliff on a quest for protein than stay put and conserve energy.
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Too bad many outdoor challenged types can't see the fraud he is.

I spent 7hrs last night looking for a man who was rock hopping on ocean cliffs in 50 mph winds. Something your average dummy may try watching that POS show.

This is the grown up version of jackass nothing more. The fact he carries a fire steel means nothing when you are drinking from elephant dung.

Getting some proper training is the best comment made here as SAR teams will teach you what others failed to do and never made it home breathing.

In the majority of situations staying put is the right thing to do but it doesn't sell add space nor keep the limited attention span of the x-box generation

Skam
 
Skammer,

Its entertainment. Get a grip. I like watching it so do people here posting, does that mean I am "outdoor challenged". I just spent a year living in Northern Iraq outside in the elements just about everyday. So I am "outdoor challenged"........

Why do you feel it prudent to continue to put your self righteous comments in posts you don't agree with. Sounds like you need to start your own TV show. You appear (via the internet) to have the credentials.....

JollyRoger3 (Formerly known as Vermonster)
 
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