Bear Grylls is not quite a survivor

wow, I just skimmed through the other thread on Bear Grylls, and after 20 posts of calling people out and telling them they are wrong, 2dogs says in the end that it's just TV anyway in his 21st post on the subject (_after_ the news broke that Grylls is a fraud).

I am beginning to think that 2dogs IS Bear Grylls.

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xdshooter
 
Well I for one love the show....and I am going to do everything in my power to keep this thread or the channel 4 article to get in the hands of my wife!

For one, this is the only show that we can agree to watch together and be happy.

2nd, this show has given me the go ahead by my wife to purchase all the survival gear that I have been wanting to collect...which again, helps us get along better.

Why do 2 out of 3 marriages end in divorce? Because woman dont let us be men and purchase our toys and go along with us changing our hobbies every six months to start new ones..just a theory.
 
Thanks for the compliment xd.

I do defend his show. I like to able to watch a show with my family. MvW is wholesome family entertainment and we treat it like any other show that is on tv. That is we take what we will and leave the rest. After all it is just tv.

I also admire Bear's accomplishments like climbing Everest and his charity works. MvW may not be his personal best but I like it.

In a few days Les Stroud will be back for a new season and he will be the new target of detractors. I can't wait though I will be hiking when the new show debuts.

Thanks again for the compliment xd.
 
2dogs said:
I do defend his show. I like to able to watch a show with my family. MvW is wholesome family entertainment and we treat it like any other show that is on tv. That is we take what we will and leave the rest. After all it is just tv.
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My, how times have changed...

Twenty years ago, I doubt eating dung and eyeballs, and drinking pee, would have been described as "wholesome." :D
 
In one of the newer episodes, Bear measured the depth of a river by throwing in a tied rock. Then the fool dove right in off a cliff. Anyone who would dare such a stunt must be suicidal.
 
I think Survivorman and Man V Wild should team up, and face off in an ULTIMATE SURVIVAL CHALLENGE. Hosted by Joe Rogan, in true Fear Factor format. I'd watch.

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xdshooter
 
Twenty years ago, Alf *was* wholesome family entertainment. Miami Vice? Not so much.

I too would like to see Grylls and Stroud go head to head in a survival contest. Stick them way out in the boonies and see who makes it in. If one is not able to surface in 14 days, he's disqualified. Now I'd watch that!!! :D
 
tholiver said:
Well heres some trivia for you. Kiefers actually Canadian and his grandad was Tommy Douglas. Tommy Douglas was a Canadian politician and socialist who was the father of Canadas socialised medical system.
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Dammit tholiver, you know you're not supposed to mention that ! You know, as do all Canadians, that he's just part of an elite undercover force disguised as actors and sent to act as 'sleepers' for the subliminal subversion of Americans by Canada...led by Pamela Anderson and Les Stroud

BTW, the Survivor and Simple Life counterattack isn't working.....
 
tholiver said:
Well heres some trivia for you. Kiefers actually Canadian and his grandad was Tommy Douglas. Tommy Douglas was a Canadian politician and socialist who was the father of Canadas socialised medical system.
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there is no kiefer. Only Jack. Kiefer does not exist in my mind.
 
I really do not understand the animosity towards Bear Grylls that I have read on this and other forums. This and similar programs could be the best PR the knife community has seen in years. It's a great medium for the showing the general public to respect the outdoors and that knives can be used for many other useful or even life saving purposes versus for stabbing other people.

I do think some of his past stunts have been irresponsible, but this seems to be getting better now that the show has taken hold. It's hard to say how much of the positioning and sensational stuff has come from him or the people who hold his contract. The way I see it, Bear has "made his bones" in outdoor survival situations more than 99.9% of the rest of the population - so what if in the middle of a shoot for whatever reason he stayed a night in a hotel? And, I would prefer that he gets consultation on local plants and things like raft building (which he obviously does)- it makes for much more informative and entertaining television than either him doing it wrong or just maybe saying he doesn't remember from his training.

btw- If you believe everything you read in British tabloids is factual, then you may actually be one step away from thinking Spongebob is real.
 
All bear had to do was tell the truth.

Nobody would care if he said "Tonight I'll be staying in the hotel but tomorrow I'll show you some more survival skills", or "to save time, my crew has pre-built the raft and tested it, and now I'm gonna show you how to construct it", or "this is not a wild horse, but if you did stumble upon one, this is how you would catch it".

But when he intentionally misleads folks it makes him less than honorable and lacking integrity.
There were probably lots of kids that thought the world of him but now they know that he's a cheat and a liar.
It's sad really.:(
 
kycolonel said:
I really do not understand the animosity towards Bear Grylls that I have read on this and other forums. This and similar programs could be the best PR the knife community has seen in years. It's a great medium for the showing the general public to respect the outdoors and that knives can be used for many other useful or even life saving purposes versus for stabbing other people.

I do think some of his past stunts have been irresponsible, but this seems to be getting better now that the show has taken hold. It's hard to say how much of the positioning and sensational stuff has come from him or the people who hold his contract. The way I see it, Bear has "made his bones" in outdoor survival situations more than 99.9% of the rest of the population - so what if in the middle of a shoot for whatever reason he stayed a night in a hotel? And, I would prefer that he gets consultation on local plants and things like raft building (which he obviously does)- it makes for much more informative and entertaining television than either him doing it wrong or just maybe saying he doesn't remember from his training.

btw- If you believe everything you read in British tabloids is factual, then you may actually be one step away from thinking Spongebob is real.
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It's a matter of what they're portraying. I don't think anyone hear actually thinks Jack Bauer is real and does the crap he does. But, we like to think there is some honesty. I mean how would you feel if you found out the presidential speaches were all lies? Ok bad example. The point is that people are so entertainment driven they think Bear Gylls is is so much better than Les Stroud. That's what bothers me anyway. I do like both shows, but if we're going to compare it to something else on tv, how about wrestling. Bear is like the WWE and Les is like Pride fighting. Well maybe that's not any better. I dunno, I'm riding the bear sucks band wagon right now.
 
Both points well taken. But it could be a matter of "Hollywood sucks" versus, or in addition to "Bear sucks". Keep in mind that even if he did/does now want to clarify those those facts on the show that in most (and I assume his) production situation his personal influence on MvW advertising claims, editorial content, locations, agenda, etc, etc is next to zero. If he did tell the truth into the camera it would merely find it's way to the editing room floor. I suppose he could "go public" if he wanted to with those details, but he would need to get in line behind the other sports figures, politicians, religious leaders and others who would disappoint the people who looked up to them.
 
kycolonel said:
Keep in mind that even if he did/does now want to clarify those those facts on the show that in most (and I assume his) production situation his personal influence on MvW advertising claims, editorial content, locations, agenda, etc, etc is next to zero. If he did tell the truth into the camera it would merely find it's way to the editing room floor. .
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IMO you assume to much, I would not star on a show that forced me to lie, especially if those lies had the potential to cause physical harm to others.

Edward Grylls has sold his integrity, if he had any to start with, for the almighty dollar. Chris
 
I have read these 4 pages, and thus far only chuckled and sneered a bit. What I would enjoy SO MUCH is to invite 'ole Bear down to my part of the country, and stick with him step for step and just see him perform all his feats of marvelous woodscraft with my eyes on him 24/7. Heck, Runningboar, I will even invite you down as a surprise guest to help me scrutinize his technique. I feel that I wouldn't be the one humbled. And of all the things complained about thus far, my pet peeve is rather benign, but I gotta say, the first time he wanted to run through the woods at night, run down a rocky hillside, or climb up or down a freakin' waterfall I would strap his idiot butt with a bullwhip. It is called "survival" NOT "stuntman adventure". Just one sprained ankle, broken arm, or shattered femur and you are screwed big time. You take either NO risk, or only absolutely necessary, very calculated risks, with a very clear and valuable upside. and running in general in a situation like that is just pointless and a waste of needed energy. So there is the plan, Beckerhead and any others who want in can be the "support crew" and his other buddies can stay in town, we will take care of everything, DON'T WORRY;) ;)

Almost forgot, I would stand over him with a stun gun while I watched him use his "massive chunks of coal producing" hand drill, and zap him every 45 sec. until he got a fire lit. That fireboard looked like it had 1/2 cup of Kingsford dropped on it.
 
beckerhead said:
Heck, Runningboar, I will even invite you down as a surprise guest to help me scrutinize his technique.
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Say when, I would kinda like to see it in person myself.

beckerhead said:
And of all the things complained about thus far, my pet peeve is rather benign, but I gotta say, the first time he wanted to run through the woods at night, run down a rocky hillside, or climb up or down a freakin' waterfall I would strap his idiot butt with a bullwhip. It is called "survival" NOT "stuntman adventure". Just one sprained ankle, broken arm, or shattered femur and you are screwed big time.
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Don't forget drinking liquid poop, unpurified water, maggots, raw rotting carcass', and biting the head off snakes and eating them whole and raw, so that in a real survival situation when your tired, hungry and dehydrated and you eat or drink something that gives you the runs or makes you puke, worsening an already bad situation, SAR can find your dead, bloated, body a few days later. I honestly can't believe there are people that take up for this tool, especially people that fancy themselves woodsmen. Chris
 
Could someone give me a link that proves all this negativity, I'm not about to jump to conclusions without facts.
 
xdshooter said:
I think Survivorman and Man V Wild should team up, and face off in an ULTIMATE SURVIVAL CHALLENGE. Hosted by Joe Rogan, in true Fear Factor format. I'd watch.

later
xdshooter
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What I'd like to see is where they drop off the cast and crew of American Idol in a remote wilderness (preferably a desert island). Leave them there and maybe (maybe) check in to see who's survived in oh, a few years. :)
 
Bear Grylls is an action figure. He's the equivalent of the new crocodile hunter. Just you wait and see, there will be an episode when we find him impaled on a giant saguaro from one of his reckless jumps :D
 
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