Bear Grylls Ultimate PRO Survival Knife

I smell wine & cheese. easy answer. CARRY BOTH! ladys fainting, baby's laughing & men clapping. Everyone's happy.
 
Sorry. It's late. I should have been clearer.

The steel is merely the material. The maker and geometry are at least as important in whether the knife does its job as the raw materials. This knife is made by someone. We don't know who. We only know Gerber puts its name on it, and it is claimed to be made from a decent stainless. Quality companies have consistent good quality in their preoducts. Mystery companys not so much,.

This knife is advertised as the ultimate knife for survival. I believe that a hollow grind is not optimal for a "survival knife." The intended use is more than cutting flesh, and a sturdier geometry would be more appealing to me for a knife to be my primary survival tool. Flat. High saber. Convex. I'd even prefer the UK "Scandi" grind because I would immediate put a convex secondary bevel on it (if it was not already there).

I merely express opinions and do not suppose I am some sort of final arbiter of all things knifely.
 
Why did you stir this thread. And Gerber licked ballics before the bg line of knives came out. They are too soft. My nephew buried one in the back yard. And the frame rusted so bad it had to be tossed. But the blade had so much chrome is was almost un spoted.
 
Thomas Linton said:
Sorry. It's late. I should have been clearer.

The steel is merely the material. The maker and geometry are at least as important in whether the knife does its job as the raw materials. This knife is made by someone. We don't know who. We only know Gerber puts its name on it and it is claimed to be made from a decent stainless. Quality companies have consistent good quality in thier preoducts. Mystery companys not so much,.

This knife is advertised as the ultimate knife for survival. I believe that a hollow grind is not optimal for a "survival knife." The intended use is more than cutting flesh, and a sturdier geometry would be more appealing to me for a knife to be my primary survival tool. Flat. High saber. Convex. I'd even prefer the UK "Scandi" grind because I would immediate put a convex secondary bevel on it (if it was not already there).

I merely express opinions and do not suppose I am some sort of final arbiter of all things knifely.
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Now, I agree with all of that, Thomas. I never thought I would find myself defending the Bear Grylls knife, but I have to say in my experience, it's been a decent knife. I hate the way it looks, the colors, the initials, etc. But for what it is, I have found it to perform good. I think BOSS1 makes a good point about the debate with carbon and SS. I agree, everyone can and should have their preference. I think that is the beauty of the market we have now- so much variety. I will just add though, that there is no denying the advantages that a quality SS provides.

It's probably more important to me, in the wet environment where I spend most of my time. I have watched carbon steel knives rust before my eyes in the rain out here, especially near the coast. Did it disable the knife? No. But it did need to be cleaned off. I'd rather not have to do that. But again, preference.

Thomas, I agree with you about the hollow grind. I much prefer a flat grind for a "survival" type knife. But to be fair to the Grylls knife (which, as you pointed out, who knows who actually makes it) look at the video posted in this old thread: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...s-Survival-Knife-Stop-a-Gerber-Purchase/page2 Post 38.

The knife did a good job, as much as I might hate to say it. But anyway, let's have a laugh at my expense, with my experience with the first gen BG knife:

[video=youtube_share;NPG0DTQRhwA]http://youtu.be/NPG0DTQRhwA[/video]

Sam
 
samclaymore said:
Why did you stir this thread. And Gerber licked ballics before the bg line of knives came out. They are too soft. My nephew buried one in the back yard. And the frame rusted so bad it had to be tossed. But the blade had so much chrome is was almost un spoted.
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I don't know how this one was even resurrected or why, but this is a knife forum. We talk/argue/brag about knives here. Otherwise, what's the point?
 
plumberroy said:
I have been using knives for 45 years I have never found the need to beat a knife through a log with another log or smash a rock with the pommel I really don't care that it has Bear Grylls on it. The man is making living playing outdoors more power to him :thumbup: . Gerber used to be a great knife now it is useable but not what it used to be. The knife is marketed towards armchair survivalist every thing you need in one package. It is a better knife than most aimed at that market .
You are up to 8 post singing the praise of a gimmick knife and telling people who spent years in the woods why your latest greatest knife is better than knives they have been using for 40 years .
Codger I have an old carbon steel sharp finger I have cut up every thing from rabbits and squirrels to alligators with it





Survival Solutions most of us have had our hands on one of the B.G. knives they have been out for a few years now. I am glad you like them . I don't per say dislike them (at least the plain edge version I hate serrated blades) but they are many blades that suit my need better
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Ok, I need to stop you right there. 1) I don't like "them" most of the BG knives are crap. The only knife I have experience with is the Ultimate Pro.I said it was a good knife and apparently a few people on here decided to go on a rant crusade. 2) I shared my opinions which is what a forums is for, I never attacked anyone on here. So far I was told im "making stuff up" and a liar for trying to explain why id perfer a certain knife for a certain situation. I own Old Timers, I "used" to own a Kershaw till I gave it to my nephew for a birthday gift. I own a Becker BK-9 and a Becker BK-11 (Necker) and the Ultimate Pro, so ive had my hands on some good knives.Now I don't own any "super" knives, or anything you would have to morgage your house to buy, but ive seen knives like that break and stuff so I don;t buy them hell, I watched a guy destroy a TOPS Firestrike by batoning through a piece of Ash wood. When the knife failed, he pulled out a BK-2 and finished the job. "Linking the video so im not called a liar again" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl_UREYzRxQ) You could buy like 3 BK-2s for the price of that TOPS so my point is price don't mean quality, construction, design, the metal used and the heat treatment does, and anyone on here that knows their knives realizes that you need all of these things for a good product.Now I apologise if someone on here got offended because I took my BG Ultimate Pro knife into the woods and beat the snot out of it and it held up and still had its factory razor edge after all that opps, my bad. Now I brag about what works, hell I brag about my Ka-Bars as well, those things are fearsome beast for the money you pay, but if I was in a survival situation I would want a certain knife that can fill many roles. There is a good reason why you cannot use carbon knives in a kitchen. IMHO carbon knives are for work, camping and bushcrafting, but personally id rather have a strong stainless steel blade in a "my only tool in the wilderness" situation because im probably gonna have to eat with it, cut my food, swim through water ( salt or fresh ) and other task.Id take a Mora Bushcraft Black with me as well if thats what I had. Now I have not had any experiences with that particular knife but ive heard good things.
 
Sam Wilson said:
I don't know how this one was even resurrected or why, but this is a knife forum. We talk/argue/brag about knives here. Otherwise, what's the point?
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a novice dragged it up. dopenerd I think 3/2014. the previous comment was 8/2013. which surpassed the bf standard of 120 days. an has been going ever since then. and the thread went from bg crap to stainless vs high carbon. and the simple truth is if your on a hike where you might (key word) get lost. you should pack both. i carry both on a daily basis. A small kershaw or crkt m-16 ss folder, and a bigger bk2 or 7.
 
This knife, as with almost all knives labeled "survival knives" plays on the heavily promoted misconception that some manufactured item, bells and whistles added, will assure one's survival and thus make up for lack of knowledge and experience. I see the same thing in hunting dodads. And fishing dodads. And in many other genres of outdoor equipment. If one's success in the endevour is dependent upon dodads, they are destined to fail regardless of what they carry with them if presented with a real life situation and not some "Man vs. Wild" game. Ignoring the egotism that bubbles over the top, one interested in "survival skills" would do well to read the interview with Lundin posted in the adjacent forum, "Dual Survival". Near blasphamy in these forums, but a knife, much less two or three, is not essential to most survival situations. And if perchance you should need one and not have one, make one. If you don't know how, learn. Want or need to make fire? Learn how to do it without manufactured dodads. Excellent tutorial descriptions, photos and videos have been posted in the adjacent forum.
 
Survival Solutions you sign up with a commercial sounding user name . You sign up and drag up an old thread , argue with the old timers etc. Weather you are or not you have the appearance of a plant for Gerber or B.G.'s marketing . If you would get out and get involved in other threads It might not appear this way.

As far as 9CRMov19 being very similar to 440B or C I have seen cheap knives out of 440 stainless so hard you could not sharpen them until diamond stones became available, even buck knives get a rep of being hard to sharpen , it is all in the heat treating

As example of users and stainless vs carbon . There are 2 sets of knives in our kitchen. My wife uses an assortment of stainless knives with a couple of H.F. ceramics she uses them tosses them in the sink or dish washer till she washes then. She has me sharpen them about once a year.
I have a set of old hickory knives when I use them . I wash them, use them. wash them touch up the edge if needs dry, oil and put them away . they don't lay in the sink for a couple hours .

The difference is 1st I was raise by parents that were old school hill folk that grew up during the great depression . I was taught you take care your tools your life may depend on it
2nd I am a tradesman I have to buy them I need them to feed my family so I take care of my tools

Sam Wilson the fact that the average kitchen worker is not motivated to take care of a knife is why the health dept. requires stainless . Health dept. is reactive most of the time the show up when/after a problem arises and tries to figure out how to stop the problem from happening again
samclaymore

I smell wine & cheese. easy answer. CARRY BOTH! ladys fainting, baby's laughing & men clapping. Everyone's happy.
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Sak farmer in left pocket svord mini peasant in right pocket :thumbup: :D :thumbup:
Roy
 
Survival Solutions, There used to be a time when Gerber products were ' Legendary Blades'. Made with quality materials, craftsmanship, and excellent QC.

They long ago destroyed that rep with poor materials, craftsmanship, and very spotty QC.

So you must excuse me if I look at this BG line with a very jaded eye. If they can dig themselves out of this hole filled with sub-par product, then more power to them.

The knife in question just might be decent for its intended market. However there are many, many knife choices out there with proven track records for outdoors use. I know I wouldn't trade my 5 year old 'survival' Fallkniven F1 for an entire shipping container of BG survival knives.

As to carbon vs stainless...that debate is silly. If your life depends on your knife being vg10, 420hc, or that 9cr whatever vs 1095, O1, 1055 etc....then you are doing something wrong.

Just my 2 cents.
 
plumberroy said:
Survival Solutions you sign up with a commercial sounding user name . You sign up and drag up an old thread , argue with the old timers etc. Weather you are or not you have the appearance of a plant for Gerber or B.G.'s marketing . If you would get out and get involved in other threads It might not appear this way.

As far as 9CRMov19 being very similar to 440B or C I have seen cheap knives out of 440 stainless so hard you could not sharpen them until diamond stones became available, even buck knives get a rep of being hard to sharpen , it is all in the heat treating

As example of users and stainless vs carbon . There are 2 sets of knives in our kitchen. My wife uses an assortment of stainless knives with a couple of H.F. ceramics she uses them tosses them in the sink or dish washer till she washes then. She has me sharpen them about once a year.
I have a set of old hickory knives when I use them . I wash them, use them. wash them touch up the edge if needs dry, oil and put them away . they don't lay in the sink for a couple hours .

The difference is 1st I was raise by parents that were old school hill folk that grew up during the great depression . I was taught you take care your tools your life may depend on it
2nd I am a tradesman I have to buy them I need them to feed my family so I take care of my tools

Sam Wilson the fact that the average kitchen worker is not motivated to take care of a knife is why the health dept. requires stainless . Health dept. is reactive most of the time the show up when/after a problem arises and tries to figure out how to stop the problem from happening again

Sak farmer in left pocket svord mini peasant in right pocket :thumbup: :D :thumbup:
Roy
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You can call it "argueing" if you want, I was having a debate on my end till things went south. I saw no reason to disrespect anyone on these forums considering we all have diffrent views, options ect.Also im not a Gerber plant "Wish I was so id get a fat check" A Gerber plant would "never" mention Ka-bar, Mora, Old Timer, or Kershaw btw, thats the competition.Also the remark was made on here by Todd21969 that "As to carbon vs stainless...that debate is silly. If your life depends on your knife being vg10, 420hc, or that 9cr whatever vs 1095, O1, 1055 etc....then you are doing something wrong." Well I never said id die if I was just left with a carbine blade, thats you putting words in there sir, I simply said if my situation went south, id "perfer" a Stainless steel blade, but anyone here knows that when the SHTF you rarely have what you truly need and gotta make do with what you have.Anyways im done with this debate since a few people decided to take it personal since they could not explain their points without taking shots. Props to "SAM WILSON" for keeping it civil, fun and intelligent. - Stay frosty, stay safe folks.
 
Survival Solutions said:
This is not about being afraid of infection. A survival knife is about keeping you alive yes? When that very knife "may" pose a risk to your health, maybe its time for a better option.
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You are correct you did not say you would die. However you fdid say it 'may' pose health risks.

I myself find that silly, a very minimal risk. Since I am far more concerned with Lyme, tripple e, waterborne disease, or an unseen bee's nest ( even though I carry two epi-pens).
 
Survival Solutions said:
You can call it "argueing" if you want, I was having a debate on my end till things went south. I saw no reason to disrespect anyone on these forums considering we all have diffrent views, options ect.Also im not a Gerber plant "Wish I was so id get a fat check" A Gerber plant would "never" mention Ka-bar, Mora, Old Timer, or Kershaw btw, thats the competition.Also the remark was made on here by Todd21969 that "As to carbon vs stainless...that debate is silly. If your life depends on your knife being vg10, 420hc, or that 9cr whatever vs 1095, O1, 1055 etc....then you are doing something wrong." Well I never said id die if I was just left with a carbine blade, thats you putting words in there sir, I simply said if my situation went south, id "perfer" a Stainless steel blade, but anyone here knows that when the SHTF you rarely have what you truly need and gotta make do with what you have.Anyways im done with this debate since a few people decided to take it personal since they could not explain their points without taking shots. Props to "SAM WILSON" for keeping it civil, fun and intelligent. - Stay frosty, stay safe folks.
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That's just what a Gerber plant would say...

Stainless VS Crabon VS CPM, if I was in a bad situation, this begger wouldn't be choosin. Won't see my pinky finger up checking out my blade in the mass spectrometer in the woods before I deem it worthy of my survival. Any sharpened linear plane sure beats the hell out of working obsidian.

Likelihood any of you will be in a reality based fight for your life situation is extremely unlikely. So buy knives that have daily practical utility, cause big surprise, you're gonna work more with whichever knife you're most comfortable with. Having a backup blade in your bag is great, consider it extra insurance. If you want that knife to be one of these BG knives, power to ya, glad you have something than nothing at all. Batonning wood is not a survival skill. It's uneducated knife user showing where they're at, or in some cases good people on here demonstrating a new tools marketed capabilities on youtube. Adam from equip in that video edited out the part where he destroyed a knife guard, but the blade was still intact after the damage, and he already had a fire going. Just throw another log on the fire and work on your sharpening/stropping skills instead.
 
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One advantage to stainless comes when a knife is going to be put in a "kit" and stored away, ignored, for use in some unknown future - especially in a climate like Sam's territory or, worse, Seattle. The SS knife will be just a sharp as you left it. A non-SS knife will depend on plumber's film of oil. Those who never ignore their knives will see no advantage.

(Unless things change, a Mod will come along to remind us to discuss the topic and not the members. 0___0 )
 
Survival Solutions said:
Its true that you can eat from a rusty blade cause all rust is in reality is iron oxide, however rust harbors bacteria that can be harmful, which is why when you step on a rusty nail they tell you to go get a shot ect. Imagine if you knife was rusty out in the wild, you accidently cut yourself, got a infection;At that point your basically a dead man walking without proper medical treatment or antibiotics. The new stainless steel blades these days have a new ultra-high carbon alloy that gives knives exceptional edge retention which make it a no brainer. A survival tool out in the field that is gonna rust on you could kill you if something unfortunate happens; your better off finding a good strong stainless that holds a wicked edge, is easy to sharpen, and won't put you at risk if you accidently knick a finger on it. This is just my opinion though. - Stay frosty, stay safe.
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LOL! I just had to post LOL! Thanks man. My day was boring. I needed that. hahahahhahahahha........... On a side note got nothing against stainless. Just busting a gut on the mall ninja mumbo jumbo. Aw man that was fun.

edit. Ok I give me one example of someone dying in a "survival situation" from lock jaw or whatever we are supposed to catch from our knives.
 
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B34NS said:
That's just what a Gerber plant would say...

Stainless VS Crabon VS CPM, if I was in a bad situation, this begger wouldn't be choosin. Won't see my pinky finger up checking out my blade in the mass spectrometer in the woods before I deem it worthy of my survival. Any sharpened linear plane sure beats the hell out of working obsidian.

Likelihood any of you will be in a reality based fight for your life situation is extremely unlikely. So buy knives that have daily practical utility, cause big surprise, you're gonna work more with whichever knife you're most comfortable with. Having a backup blade in your bag is great, consider it extra insurance. If you want that knife to be one of these BG knives, power to ya, glad you have something than nothing at all. Batonning wood is not a survival skill. It's uneducated knife user showing where they're at, or in some cases good people on here demonstrating a new tools marketed capabilities on youtube. Adam from equip in that video edited out the part where he destroyed a knife guard, but the blade was still intact after the damage, and he already had a fire going. Just throw another log on the fire and work on your sharpening/stropping skills instead.
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Gahhh!!! Now you've done it! :D
 
At this point, I don’t really see where this is going, so I’ll sum it up for myself: This thread started out as getting ideas and opinions on the BG knife. It died, was resurrected, and has taken a different turn. Whatever, that’s what threads do. I don’t come to the Internets to argue, but I do like to discuss.

I don’t know what carbon steel, 40-year old sharpfingers, plumberboy’s family upbringing in the hills(I brought up the stainless law to point out how extraneous the post about butchers using carbon steel blades was, not as some perceived endorsement of SS by the Health Department), and some other things have to do with this knife.

This knife is not one I personally care for, but so far all of the information relayed by people who have ACTUALLY used it or one similar, complete with multiple videos to corroborate this information, point to the knife doing a good job for its intended purpose. If anyone has USED the knife and has something negative to report, please do so. We would love to hear about it. Otherwise this is becoming an armchair beatdown by people who have never used the knife, explaining why it doesn’t work, ala the Tom Brown Tracker knife.

That’s how I see it, anyway. No disrespect to anyone’s opinion, but it’s hard to argue something so strongly when you don’t have any experience with the product, and knowledgeable people who do gave favorable reviews of it. At this point, if this were taking place in person, I would generally ask the person detracting from the knife to put up or shut up. But that’s just me. All in good fun.

Sam :thumbup:
 
Sam my point is people who take care of their stuff don't need stainless steel to keep their tools/knives from rusting And You are right we are off topic I would buy this knife on clearance for a trunk/tackle box knife if I could get it at 50% off
Rroy
 
Sam Wilson said:
At this point, I don’t really see where this is going, so I’ll sum it up for myself: This thread started out as getting ideas and opinions on the BG knife. It died, was resurrected, and has taken a different turn. Whatever, that’s what threads do. I don’t come to the Internets to argue, but I do like to discuss.

I don’t know what carbon steel, 40-year old sharpfingers, plumberboy’s family upbringing in the hills(I brought up the stainless law to point out how extraneous the post about butchers using carbon steel blades was, not as some perceived endorsement of SS by the Health Department), and some other things have to do with this knife.

This knife is not one I personally care for, but so far all of the information relayed by people who have ACTUALLY used it or one similar, complete with multiple videos to corroborate this information, point to the knife doing a good job for its intended purpose. If anyone has USED the knife and has something negative to report, please do so. We would love to hear about it. Otherwise this is becoming an armchair beatdown by people who have never used the knife, explaining why it doesn’t work, ala the Tom Brown Tracker knife.

That’s how I see it, anyway. No disrespect to anyone’s opinion, but it’s hard to argue something so strongly when you don’t have any experience with the product, and knowledgeable people who do gave favorable reviews of it. At this point, if this were taking place in person, I would generally ask the person detracting from the knife to put up or shut up. But that’s just me. All in good fun.

Sam :thumbup:
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They did alright by this knife IMHO. Its a shame that most of their other knifes suck. I do like the LMF 2 though from a tactical/urban standpoint, but I have not had a chance to play with it yet.
 
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