Beat on my friends dogfather for three full hours

the DF is great! But it doesnt chop as well as the larger heavier mistresses. If chopping is all you want, then buy a glove and use the bigger Busse Mistresses. If you are looking for a great chopper/light weight for hiking then Id go for the 17oz DF. I just took it camping with me and it held its weight but Id have to admit that my buddies BWM out-chopped it.

I wonder though if you could send your Busse in to the shop and have a Res-C handle put on your BIG BUSSE CHOPPERS!!!
 
Cappy2cap: "I just took it camping with me and it held its weight but Id have to admit that my buddies BWM out-chopped it."

Thanks for posting that Cappy2cap. I have been considering a BWM or a DDF. Have others had the same experience of the BWM being a better chopper?
 
Striking the top of the Res-C handle repeatedly with a wood baton might eventually cause minor damage, but I doubt the occasional mis-hit to the handle would ever cause a problem.

Noss didn't destroy the Res-C handles on either the Scrapper 6 or the Basic 9, even pounding their butts with his 3 lb. steel mallet to drive their points into concrete. A couple of small splits and deformities were the only result. The B9 handle is in my possession, still completely functional/usable/comfortable, and the S6 handle looked perfectly usable at the end of his video.

On the other hand, the tube-fasteners for the micarta slabs on his FFBM began coming apart under the impacts of the steel mallet before he ever made it to concrete testing. And that damage was not from direct hammer impacts—just the “remote” effect of impacts while holding the handle in hand, together with the considerable vibration set up by hammer strikes on the spine. The first tube fastener broke while he was striking the spine with the edge against a 2x4. Jerry commented that the vibration set up by full-power strikes with that heavy mallet was one of the most destructive things you could do to a knife, and Noss agreed that the vibration he experienced through his hand was painfully horrendous. Still, the Res-C handles absorbed that shock and much more without damage.

This is only to illustrate why I don't see micarta slabs--especially with the tube fastening system--as more durable than Res-C in terms of impact resistance, though obviously the Res-C will burn/melt while the micarta won't. Personally, I'd rather have the Res-C both from a durability standpoint as well as for its remarkably greater comfort.

Here's a stock DF that Ban worked over recently--I'd have to classify it as "da bomb":



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I don't have the photo uploaded, but I've split the bottom part of the resiprene-c on a dog father hitting it with a sledge hammer, as well as bent the tube fastener in the process. Reciprene c will split if you hammer it in a way that crushes it between the tang and the hammer even after one strike if the strike is hard enough - but it isn't something your likely to get from a single strike with a wood baton because they aren't nearly as hard or heavy.

I agree with the sentiment of the tube fasteners making micarta/exposed tangs just as susceptible (if not more so) to damage than resiprene-c - but I don't agree with it if you have a proper screw and stand off set up. If the stand offs are long enough and your using high grade machine screws, you get something that can resist sheering much better then the standard nickle alloy tubes. They can also be reassembled after damage without any additional machinery beyond Allen wrenches.

I messed up and counter sunk the slabs too deep on the slabs these went with, so they are shorter then ideal. had I done them properly I could have added another .200" to the stand off length which would have made them much stronger. even as short as they are I prefer them over the tubes.
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Have others had the same experience of the BWM being a better chopper?

When comparing the performance of two knives of similar weight/dimension, the difference can often be due only to the edge geometry. It would be better to compare them with the same edge grind, to the degree possible.
 
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Definitely a bad idea, but that root was killing me and I had nothing else that would come close to cutting it. Had there been an exposed tang, it wouldn't have been damaged. It's one of the reasons I'm not so keen on using resiprene-c on anything that's purchased with an "end of the world" logic. as a chopper it's a great material, but it has it's obvious limitations.

basic 9 is still in my top 5 list.
 
If you guys like the DF you should check out the Battle Rat. It doesn't feel as blade heavy as the DF so it may not chop quite as well, but I prefer the way it feels as an overall camp knife- amazingly quick and well balanced with very good point and blade awareness. Really easy to use for it's size.
 
If you guys like the DF you should check out the Battle Rat. It doesn't feel as blade heavy as the DF so it may not chop quite as well, but I prefer the way it feels as an overall camp knife- amazingly quick and well balanced with very good point and blade awareness. Really easy to use for it's size.

Personally I never liked the battle rat. when you put it next to the dog father and the basic 9 it doesn't have any exceptional qualities that would make me want to buy it over either of them.
 
Cappy2cap: "I just took it camping with me and it held its weight but Id have to admit that my buddies BWM out-chopped it."

Thanks for posting that Cappy2cap. I have been considering a BWM or a DDF. Have others had the same experience of the BWM being a better chopper?

Horn Dog said the BWM bumped his DFLE as his favorite slasher/chopper. Profound statement considering the source:thumbup:
 
Interesting thread guys .... been away and this was a good read to come back to.:thumbup:

Marathon session there 230 .... ;):cool: Res C is my favourite grip as well for "users" .... so comfortable :thumbup:

I don't know if you have access to an electric sander but I always smooth my linen or G10 grips to help prevent skin loss .... sorry to hear the KZ got a bit uncomfortable ....

I must say I have'nt had problems like that once the grips are smooth but I do start to suffer from numbness and tingling if chopping in an all day session comparing knives for a write up. The tingling does'nt happen though with the Res C knives .... hence my preference for them.

For me Knives and sledge hammers don't mix ..... I don't mind improvising with tools .... but my mind does'nt go down that route .... I would have reached for a firearm before hitting my knife with a sledgehammer .... a shotgun would have cut the root and being discharged into the soil there is little risk of a ricochet happening. I have cleaned base roots from a few tree stumps using my Bennelli .... but there again I don't have neighbours to worry about.
Or at least none who if they heard it would worry about the sound of a shotgun.

Used the Bennelli to take out the stump on the tree I took down in the KZ v Gransfors SFA chop off .... shown here having a post chopping session "brew" ....

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From the photo, the damage appears minor. Was there any loss of function?

No, and I think the main problem with me and resiprene-c is that my mind doesn't work in the mode of rubber. When I think of "damaged" micarta I think of a slab shattered into 5 pieces, unable to be patched back together. I can re-epoxy and modify micarta to be totally usable and like new (ergonomically) without much effort, I could even make new handle slabs from the ground up. But with the resiprene-c the relatively minor damage seems much greater than it is because I don't feel capable of repairing it.

I totally agree that sledgehammer+knife (esp. with rubber handles) is a terrible idea, I should have taken a hand grinder to our 6' concrete breaker and put a temporary knife edge on it.
 
Horn Dog said the BWM bumped his DFLE as his favorite slasher/chopper. Profound statement considering the source:thumbup:

Agreed, I bow to Vic's extensive chopping experience. The only codicil I would offer is that one's choice of chopper will vary depending on the vegetation being chopped. The 'native' blades around the world differ for this reason.
 
Striking the top of the Res-C handle repeatedly with a wood baton might eventually cause minor damage, but I doubt the occasional mis-hit to the handle would ever cause a problem.

Noss didn't destroy the Res-C handles on either the Scrapper 6 or the Basic 9, even pounding their butts with his 3 lb. steel mallet to drive their points into concrete. A couple of small splits and deformities were the only result. The B9 handle is in my possession, still completely functional/usable/comfortable, and the S6 handle looked perfectly usable at the end of his video.

On the other hand, the tube-fasteners for the micarta slabs on his FFBM began coming apart under the impacts of the steel mallet before he ever made it to concrete testing. And that damage was not from direct hammer impacts—just the “remote” effect of impacts while holding the handle in hand, together with the considerable vibration set up by hammer strikes on the spine. The first tube fastener broke while he was striking the spine with the edge against a 2x4. Jerry commented that the vibration set up by full-power strikes with that heavy mallet was one of the most destructive things you could do to a knife, and Noss agreed that the vibration he experienced through his hand was painfully horrendous. Still, the Res-C handles absorbed that shock and much more without damage.

This is only to illustrate why I don't see micarta slabs--especially with the tube fastening system--as more durable than Res-C in terms of impact resistance, though obviously the Res-C will burn/melt while the micarta won't. Personally, I'd rather have the Res-C both from a durability standpoint as well as for its remarkably greater comfort.

Here's a stock DF that Ban worked over recently--I'd have to classify it as "da bomb":



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Thats what I have been dreaming of. I got a B9 and a few others ready:eek:
 
Four words.

Differentially tempered Battle Rat.

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The DogFather epitomizes "Superior Performance to Price Ratio"!!! Dan Busse hit one out of the park with the DogFather!;):thumbup::thumbup:


I like the name too!;)
 
Agreed, I bow to Vic's extensive chopping experience. The only codicil I would offer is that one's choice of chopper will vary depending on the vegetation being chopped. The 'native' blades around the world differ for this reason.

For a three hour chopping session, I'd still choose the DFLE, no question. Res C is easier on my hand. :D
 
Yes, I picked up a second Basic 9 because I doubt much more will be done in Infi and Res C ..... many thanks to the kind HOG who helped on this one .... with the ASM Grind on the Basic 9 and the light weight at 14 oz's and the great chopping ability I find it is more and more the knife I pick to wear or carry when I am heading out into the hills.

I love the DFLE as well but the ASM Grind on the Basic 9 makes an awful lot of sense for field sharpening ....

My DFLE and smooth G10 handled BWM LE are the next knives I pick tho after the B9 .... then the NMFBM .... I have yet to strip and convex my BWM CG but have high expectations of that one as well.

All told tho' the Basic 9 and the NMFBM would be the two I use the most.
 
I once knew a fellow who used a mint Randall #1 to scrape rust off the inside of an old, worn out piece of machinery. When I quizzed him about his choice of tools, he said it was the one he had at hand and thought nothing of the fact that it was a 'premium' collectors item. Then there was the bloke who broke the blade on a Buck 119 while digging in an old oak stump...the endless list of people using tools outside their intended parameters used to make me smile. Now I just laugh.

The Basic 9 is still the most comfortable chopper that I own, although the honorable mention goes to the Fehrman Extreme Judgement. Some days I am inclined to think that CPM 3V is the sweetest knife material available to the human race.
 
the endless list of people using tools outside their intended parameters used to make me smile.

It's freakin' crazy what people will do with their Busse knives. I blame Noss4.

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