Because someone had to do it...... (the perfect ZT300)

3Guardsmen said:
What did you guys use to grind them, if you don't mind me asking?

Regards,
3G
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For choil and tumbstud - dremel. For edge - stone (at that time it was Diamond Products, but I suggest better DMT D8XX).

Thanks, Vassili.
 
The inside out review is done. I know its all over the place, but I think it might be of use for some people. Its was fun to do! (click me to see)



I think a inside out review of the new Gen XM will be next! :D

Thanks again guys,
Randy
 
May I ask what knife the orange handled one is in this picture?

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Do you guys think the hinderer stop is necessary? I think it looks kinda ugly and wish you could get the 0300 without it.
 
mongomondo said:
Do you guys think the hinderer stop is necessary? I think it looks kinda ugly and wish you could get the 0300 without it.
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It definitely helps to prevent over-travel of the lock bar, and it also makes for a more rigid tang-to-lock face mating, but there are still tons (the majority) of frame-locks in the industry that are made without 'em. I believe you can remove the HLBS if you really wanted to. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure, if you sent a ZT 0300 back to Kershaw and asked them very nicely, they would remove it for you.

Regards,
3G

P.S. If you're interested in reading about the reasons for and the functionality of the HLBS, here's a link you might consider reading: http://www.badlandsforums.com/faq/HindererLockBar.shtml
 
I personaly have very little to no use for a choil and feel they can be the cause of a stalled cut. I don't like to have to gage the depth of a cut especially in a self defense situation. Do a slashing stroke on a cardboard box with a knife with a choil and one without and see which one will bind up on you if you misgage your depth. Use all your strength when slicing, see how well you hold onto that knife when the box drops into the choil. Think about the same effect in a defensive situation.Do some impact testing of your own using many test scenerios and mediums, see for yourself how poorly a knife with a choil performs (I've done extensive testing) I also feel that if you have to choke up on your knife you might want to concider a smaller knife or some wrist exercises. If I'm wrong please correct me.

Someone please give me a practical use for a choil or an instance when you would need to choke up on your knife other than cleaning your fingernails or cutting coupons.

The 0300 is a military/police knife and built for the riggors of the field and not for cutting coupons out of the sunday paper . I also use the heel of the blade for stripping wires, trimming cigars and such so the last thing I want in my folder is the edge to be farther away from the handle than possable. I want to stuff as much blade in a folder as possable , especially a folder built for military and law enforcement purposes.

So if I'm a soldier in the field and have to use my knife to defend my life or my brothers and my adrenalin is pumping and I'm scared and someone means to do me harm and all I have left is my knife and it's a life or death situation the last thing I want in my folder is a choil and the last thing I'm gonna do is choke up on my knife. ( I can think of many more scenerios ) Valid point?
 
Thanks for answering that Ken.

I figured that you would have a good reason since it seemed that you used choils pretty infrequently on your knives.
 
damn now thats a helluva knife. I wish I held off on getting a military and went picked one of those beasts up. Something about carrying a big tough folder and knowing it can do anything you run into without failing thats very comforting. I wonder if any of you edc this tank ever pat your pocket and grin.
 
KenOnion said:
Someone please give me a practical use for a choil or an instance when you would need to choke up on your knife other than cleaning your fingernails or cutting coupons.
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How bout this. I have a particular knife with a 3" blade and choil. Using the choil I can position my thumb on top of the blade to act as a depth stop. Cutting cardboard this way is a breeze since the tip is thin with a thin deep swedge. I can also control how much blade penetrates a carton this way. It's like having two different geometries to the blade. That's about the only use I have for a choil.
 
Having thumb on the spine of the blade with pointing finger on the choil is very useful for working knife. It add some power and control to a cut. I am not using or planing to use it in a battle so I made choil to make it more usefull and convinient to me. Also choil make it bit easy to sharpen.

I did experience some discomfort with choil while chopping a lot of small branches on the bush, but it was big 7"-8" knife. Otherwise I never have a problem with it.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
KenOnion said:
Someone please give me a practical use for a choil or an instance when you would need to choke up on your knife other than cleaning your fingernails or cutting coupons.
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Hi Ken! Thanks for posting, I always think it's pretty cool to know that the guy who designed my knife posts here...

One use I can think of as well is for people with different sized hands, it makes the same knife a little easier to use. For example, I have smaller/normal sized hands, I can use a knife that has a 4 inch handle. My buddies that are giants can't use that same knife because the handle is too small, unless it has a choil.

Keep up the good work,
 
smegs said:
How bout this. I have a particular knife with a 3" blade and choil. Using the choil I can position my thumb on top of the blade to act as a depth stop. Cutting cardboard this way is a breeze since the tip is thin with a thin deep swedge. I can also control how much blade penetrates a carton this way. It's like having two different geometries to the blade. That's about the only use I have for a choil.
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But you don't have to place your finger in a choil to place your thumb or finger along the spine to act as a depth stop. And if it is an empty box you are cutting up to put in the trash , you wouldn't have to have a depth stop if you didn't have a choil that the box could potentially fall into and impede the cut.
 
gcgcgc said:
Hi Ken! Thanks for posting, I always think it's pretty cool to know that the guy who designed my knife posts here...

One use I can think of as well is for people with different sized hands, it makes the same knife a little easier to use. For example, I have smaller/normal sized hands, I can use a knife that has a 4 inch handle. My buddies that are giants can't use that same knife because the handle is too small, unless it has a choil.

Keep up the good work,
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Thanks! I really appreciate this thread and this discussion, I am following you but don't you think your buddies should buy a knife that fits them. Thats one of the reasons why there are so many choices. This still doesnt make me want to take away from the performance advantages of a choil free knife.Especially one that is ground and sharpened all the way to the handle.
 
Nice mod So-Lo:thumbup:If it works for you,then nothing else matters.

I prefer it without the choil though.


BTW,Awesome pics:thumbup:
 
nozh2002 said:
Having thumb on the spine of the blade with pointing finger on the choil is very useful for working knife. It add some power and control to a cut. I am not using or planing to use it in a battle so I made choil to make it more usefull and convinient to me. Also choil make it bit easy to sharpen.

I did experience some discomfort with choil while chopping a lot of small branches on the bush, but it was big 7"-8" knife. Otherwise I never have a problem with it.

Thanks, Vassili.
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I disagree because if you place your thumb along the spine and your pointer finger in the choil , you risk injury to your pointer finger if you slip and also because a portion of your palm will be riding along the spine of the blade and create a hot spot and negate the ergo's of the handle designed to minimalize and or eliminate hot spots. You have much more leverage for a cut if your thumb is wrapped around the handle plus you don't risk having the knife slip/twist in your hand .You would also minimalize the safety aspects of the finger guard.
Question: Why would you chop small branches with a choked up grip on your knife? Wouldn't you loose alot of momentum and risk smashing your pointer finger ?

I really like this discussion guys. And feel to choil or not is a great topic for discussion and rarely to never gets discussed.
 
There are very few knives I like with choils.I know this is the Kershaw forum,but the only ones I can think of off hand are the Spyderco ChinookIII,Boker Los Banos series,Benchmade 635,& the SOG Vulcan.

I do not currently own any Kershaw's with choils,but I'm sure I have in the past.



BTW,I just want to say it is an honor to be on the same forum as the legendary Ken Onion:thumbup:...no butt kissing intended,it's just a real pleasure;)...I've always loved your work:thumbup:




Any Knife Can Be Used For SD,no matter what style,size or shape.I'm just thankful I never had to use a knife for that.:):cool:
 
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